I don’t think you can state the plan legally
If I end up on try that jury, not guilty.
Jury nullification goes brrrrrrrrrrrrr
Tree of liberty is gettin’ mighty thirsty.
Oh man. I’m pretty non-violent, but Nov 2016, when my adult kids called me in tears, i had ideas swirling.
Keep doing what I have been doing - dragging MAGA fence sitters back from the brink one by one. The ones who have adopted Trumpism as their religion are too far gone. But there are a lot who just need to be taken by the hand and shown a better path.
When you see MAGA BS, challenge it with well-reasoned arguments. The object really isn’t to change the mind of the poster. It’s to prevent them from changing the minds of others.
Yeah, there’s a huge difference in tactics depending on whether you’re trying to comvince the person you’re arguing with, or the audience.
The latter is soo much easier - often it’s enough to back them into a corner where they out themselves as wrong whatever they say, and they’ll quickly descend into a ball of rage.
Making someone descend into a ball of rage is now how you get them off the fence.
Can you please give an example of a well reasoned argument that’s relevant here?
I’m not sure of the relationship of reason to people that aggressively disregard objective fact and fluidly move the goalpost of their burden of proof.
I like to ask who will replace the main stream media, and how that won’t make them the new mainstream media.
IME this just leads to “yeah, but ours will be different/better!” type responses like…
“Politicians suck, but ours are good”
“Stop giving out all these services with our tax dollars but don’t touch our Medicare”
“Gay marriage shouldn’t be legal, but my gay daughter is fine.”
“Immigrants are evil, except for the waiter at my favorite Mexican restaurant, he is one of the good ones”
I/Me/Mine is ALWAYS the exception to every rule for them.
So the NEW mainstream, MY mainstream, will be different and tell the REAL truth.
Look up how to debate. Success is not measured by how bad you make the opponent look. That may work on one person, but you have to repeat it for every person who advances the same argument. Instead, take apart their argument, reveal underlying motives, expose untruths with irrefutable documentation, uncover false logic and bad assumptions, and respond without attacking the messenger.
For instance, “The economy is terrible! Everything is so expensive.” Well, stuff -is- expensive. But is the economy really the reason behind it? The US stock indexes are at record highs. Most companies have been beating the expected earnings per share. Isn’t it more likely that things are expensive because companies are taking more profit to give to their shareholders? Which candidate do you believe is more inclined to change that?
The object is not to defeat the opponent. It’s to prevent others from being convinced by their arguments.
I’m torn on this. I’m “white”-ish enough, no kids, can’t get pregnant (or anyone pregnant) and I’m in the top 10%… so would anything for me fundamentally change? No…. I could stick my head in the sand and ignore it, but that’s really not me and it freaking breaks my heart to see all the people it impacts.
So I see one of three things:
- Try to ignore it and keep voting blue and on policies to help those where i can
- go one step further and put my money where my mouth is and help run an Underground Railroad for those who need to get to blue states while they still have the rights
- flee to another country
I don’t really want to think about it, but it’s been at the back of my head.
Stick around and keep trying to improve the country despite everyone else’s best efforts to fuck it all up
Same thing I did last time he was president. Ignore the news and spend as much time as possible in the woods on a bicycle.
Whine about my taxes going up again. Cry laugh at John Stewart. Go defend my school board
And if he gets what he wants you’ll just never return from the woods? The dude that reasons that presidents can kill opposition- literally
That’s my intention and I’ve been doing it for decades. It’s kind of president-independent action.
Al-Awlaki. The president can order the death of American citizens. The fact that we’re pretending they already haven’t is insane.
They shouldn’t be able to at all, of course, but it’s what you do with a standing army.
The same thing I did the last time he was president. Absolutely nothing.
Correct answer. People thinking murder will magically be legal are insane.
However, thinking that murder will magically be legal for a sitting President as part of his executive duties, is slightly more based in reality.
No, just no. The turnip if he whens will not magically make murder legal.
Try to avoid being murdered by my neighbors.
Living in a cop neighborhood is fun, no ?
Living in a neighborhood with open Trump supporters feels like sitting on a ticking time bomb.
As much as I fear what Trump will do to the nation it probably won’t have much of an effect on me personally.
I live in a deep red state that’s already about as corrupt and authoritarian as it can be, of course that’s never really true- but it’s not like it’s being held up by anything Trump will target. The powers that be and a wide majority of the population are already fully subservient to Trump so it’ll just be business as usual here.
I’m middle-aged, own my home, no dependents, all the childhood friends I’ve had that would be vulnerable already moved away and I have a pretty small circle of family\friends and not really looking to expand. And have a good position that’s very insulated from economic and political turbulence. I’m also a cis white male and a gun-owner, I blend pretty seamlessly unless I tell people what I think about state\national politics. And I love the food and nature here. Also I kinda can’t imagine job hunting at this point at all, let alone in another state. I’d like to live in a place that better reflected my values but I don’t actually think that would help me or anyone else.
I’m established here and I don’t really have any incentive to leave. Nobody is coming for me here and me moving to a Blue state won’t help anyone there. And my accent has made people react negatively to me in the past and I’m worried I’d actually appear to be more of a fish out of water in those places than I do here, even though that’s kinda what I’ve always been here. I vote, I donate. I used to volunteer but I’m tired now. Weird that I’ve made such a comfortable home in a viper den but we make lives how and where we can.
I know it’s just my privilege to say this but no matter what happens in 2024 my life will be pretty much the same for the foreseeable future. Intellectually I worry a lot about the fate of the nation and humanity but personally I worry more about collapsing global trade and infrastructure fucking up supply chains and creating civil unrest that will effect me personally. But idk what to do about that but worry so I guess why worry…
I’m in a similar situation. I have well developed social camouflage that will keep me under the radar. I’ll just continue to keep to myself.
Spend a solid week posting screenshots of my comments on this platform about how the DNC is digging their own grave after they inevitably blame the voters for their loss just like in 2016.
you blame people who a) voted for trump or b) didn’t vote for Biden. simple as that.
you want to blame the DNC because you voted for Trump/didn’t vote for Biden? yeah, nah.
If I had a plan to respond to someone horrible getting elected president, I would’ve used it long before now.
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Get a lesbian beard now would be a decent plan to consider. Just someone you can stand enough to have as a roommate.
my social life is empty of anyone else I can depend on
This is a problem that needs fixing regardless of who’s elected.
Why don’t you have a support network?
Why don’t you have a support network?
Where does one buy one of those, and how much do they cost? Asking for me. 😂
I think you buy them by keeping your own promises to people consistently, but I’m not sure since I haven’t done that yet.
I think you likely also have to be decently sociable, and I find socialising with people in real to be both difficult and exhausting.
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What games do you play?
helldivers 2, mostly, as of late
I smoke weed and play video games too. Let me know if you want to game sometime
I sent you a dm with my steam ID, a week ago.
Curl up in a ball and weep a salty creek.
Well apparently there are no negative consequences for staging a coop.
Coup. COUP! It’s not a fucking chicken house!
He meant a co-op. A cooperative arrangement to leave the country
I don’t know, it doesn’t seem far off.
Well, as a real estate agent I staged a coop once but I still couldn’t sell it. It was a low quality flip though.
I mean do you like being woken up at 5 am every day? Because we had chickens growing up and it sucked. But with the price of eggs these days, maybe it’s a good tradeoff.
Continue living in California, and probably not go to any red state. At least not with my wife. Continue to vote Democrat and spread progressive values.
California is clearly the best state. It’s like if you bought the EU off wish.com, but at least there’s hope 😂
West Coast is best coast.
