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      I was gonna say she’s too young, but apparently she’d turn 35 about a month before the election. A president who’s barely old enough… What a nice change of pace that would be.

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        That requirement is so ageist as the brain is fully developed at age 26

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          The idea is to have some experience in politics in lower positions before taking on the hot seat.

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            You were an experienced master or your craft at the age of 35 all the way 250 years ago. People made it to their 80s but your life expectancy was much lower. Basically 35 was the perfect age.

            What we need is an amendment to make this reflect modern life.

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                  Yeah… As it stands right now our first priority needs to be eliminating the ultra wealthys influence otherwise that amendment will be changed to “all non-wealthy debtors, convicted criminals, and the unemployed can be used as slaves.”

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              You were an experienced master or your craft at the age of 35

              Yep. Gotta figure someone who’s 35 has been around the block, seen some things, knows some things, the office of POTUS doesn’t seem like one you should be able to run for right out of high school. Oh, but imagine if we could. I’m sure it would be hilarious to put a high school graduate in office. Especially a Gen Z kid lmao.

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            I’d support (HALF median life expectancy ±15 years determine at the start of the election year). Gives you a middleing generation so the extremes are not super underrepresented and it makes sure they have some life under their belt.

            Edit: added “HALF”

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              Yeah no. Look at what those numbers would actually be. Median is 70-80 depending on country and sex. I dont want a 95 year old president when they enter office… And 55 as a minimum is far beyond “life under their belt”

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                Oh I meant half the median life expectancy. My brain didn’t brain good as I typed it out. So 40ish ±15 in your example. Even ±10 would be fine.

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          True. There’s this fun quirk of US law, though, that makes ageism against young people completely fine and dandy!

          You can discriminate against people for being young all you want. That’s the Gerontocracy in action…

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            Absolutely. Housing crisis in full swing here and yet 55+ communities are somehow still legal. Infuriating that it works to the benefit of the old fucks by earmarking plenty of available units for only them, but when the young people want to get rid of it so they can have a shot at property ownership too, suddenly you’re an ageist.

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            And some old people lash out at me for stating the system is unfair. They need to learn to pass the torch.

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          What? Are you saying a bunch of racist slave holders might have also been ageist? Complaing about “kids these days”?

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          Then the fully-developed brain is just 9 years old when the person is 35! Should the requirement be higher? Semi-kidding.

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          Ah, so that’s why as we all know everyone above 26 is perfectly adult and competent

          Edit: My point was not very evident but that study is not as clear as people thinks it is on the fact that brains are fully developed at 25. They probably keep developing for much longer. But it’s not an excuse to exclude people from politics

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      My worry about AOC as candidate is that she’s relatively alone in her political space, and is far from having Bernie’s weight as of today. She’s in the Democratic party, sure, but she’s in a very small faction inside of it, which may lead to a Corbyn situation: she takes the helm of the party, but centrist figures begin attacking her from her own ranks with the support of the media until she’s forced to concede to a moderate.

      On the other hand, if you manage to get 100, 200 elected representatives in the Democratic party who are clearly ideologically aligned with AOC, making her the nominee is no longer a battle, but rather, it becomes the natural consequence of the balance of power within the party.

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      Biden should pick her up as a running mate. So she’ll just automatically be president if Biden dies. You’ll see conservatives doing their level best to ensure Biden is in the best of health.

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      Only issue is she’s a divisive figure so center shitters might be driven to vote for trump. I think she’s awesome and would love if she was the first woman pres

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        A huge part of the poor youth vote attendance is due to them not feeling represented by geriatric nominees. If she were to run she would get very strong youth and minority support in addition to all the left voters.

        TBH it would be a dream come true for her to run and win this year and I’m not even American.

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          I’m Canadian and agree with you.

          Just imagine a ticket with AOC and Bernie Sanders! Now that would so something to see!

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            Bernie winning Dem primaries was the last time we saw the DNC put its heels in the sand. I don’t think anyone should be surprised that a huge portion of the Dem voter base now feels consistently disenfranchised, especially the younger side. And the current issue with Biden doesn’t improve it.

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          A huge part of the poor youth vote attendance is due to them not feeling represented by geriatric nominees.

          I’d say a larger reason is that they’re simply not interested in the politics at that age.

          I know I didn’t care at all who was in government when I was at that age. The fact that they were a couple generations older than me wasn’t a part of my thought process.

          I simply couldn’t be bothered to even think about politics or governments.

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    I’m voting for Biden. Not happily, not even simply neutral on the matter. I hate that I have to vote for Biden.

    If AOC ran, I would not be even a little reluctant to vote for her. She reminds me of Bernie.

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      I’m voting for the Biden administration. It’s more than just him. We need them all.

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        I’m voting the same way but more because we need to not have the other administration, we need much more that the current admin but we also do not have the luxury of being picky

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        AOC is currently 34 and her birthday is in October, so she will actually be old enough to be president by the time of the election.

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          Yeah, but you know people will throw out misinformation saying she can’t actually become president because she’s 34 and some people will believe them and stick with Biden or someone else who we know for damn sure is over 35 and it’ll just split the vote unless Biden (and any other big names on the left) drop out

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      Biden is close to senile, and I’m assuming he’ll pass away within the next 4 years. Honestly, I hope he’ll win the elections and then peacefully passes away. Nothing against him personally, he seems like a nice guy but what the US (and by extension, the world, thanks for that) needs is not a narcissistic psychopath, and also not a senile grandfather for president.

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      If AOC ran, I would not be even a little reluctant to vote for her. She reminds me of Bernie.

      same here

      i’m struggling to get myself to vote for biden; i vacillate on it every day and i wish my history and future of enduring biden et al.'s policies wasn’t clouding my decision.

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      I am still hoping for the day to see someone of the same party convict a politician.

      If anyone has any cases I’d love a link!

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        Nixon resigned a day(?) after the impeachment articles were filed, because House Republicans told him that he didn’t have enough support in the party to not get convicted.

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          If a judge is a politician

          The fact that is a thought that is reasonable to be expressed is part of the problem. Judges (and the justice system in general) should not be political in the slightest.

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            It’s a shame too as I believe the original intention for judges to have a lifetime position was so they no longer had to be concerned with allegiance in an election.

            But I assume those lawmakers didn’t know how fanatical or greedy judges could be lol

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    Fuck yeah. Probably won’t go anywhere with a traitorous house majority but it’s worth it to try and get them on the record.

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    Lets all hold our breath while we wait for something to actually happen because of this.

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      It’s a public repudiation in a way that is extraordinarily rare and highly symbolic. Nothing may change but shots have been fired across bows.

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        We are long past the point where these assholes give a shit about symbolism or warning shots.

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          Fucking seriously…

          “We’re” stuck in the same stupid fucking mindset the founding morons were where they relied on shame and integrity when designing our government…

          We’re dealing with a party that only believes “might makes right” and we’re wagging our fingers at them as if they give a shit at all…

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            How they haven’t learned this lesson after 10 years of “OMG can you believe Trump did XXXXXX!” posts every single day I will never understand.

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        We’re well past it meaning anything. These rebukes, reprimands, and censures are political theater. Fascists laugh when you use the rigged system against them.

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      Would you like the capitalist who used to say the n word or the capitalist who used to say the n word? Please participate in democracy 🥺🥺🥺🥺 lmao

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      Oh it is a democracy, but not “direct democracy”. We don’t choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.

      Those in power bribe, threaten, and lie, and we can’t do shit about it because the actual hood guys end due to harassment or threats and can’t deal with it psychologically.

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        Oh it is a democracy, but not “direct democracy”. We don’t choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.

        Still not a democracy, you just described a Republic, which is what we’ve always officially been even if die hard patriots prefer to say democracy

        Those in power bribe, threaten, and lie, and we can’t do shit about it because the actual hood guys end due to harassment or threats and can’t deal with it psychologically.

        Plutocracy in action

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          Oh it is a democracy, but not “direct democracy”. We don’t choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.

          Still not a democracy, you just described a Republic, which is what we’ve always officially been even if die hard patriots prefer to say democracy

          What are you talking about? The people electing representatives that makes the final decisions is called “representative democracy”. A republic is a form of representative democracy. A constitutional monarchy, like you find a lot of in Europe, is another form of representative democracy that fit the original description, without being republics.

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          I think more than a few “patriots” feel the need to point out that we’re a republic, not a democracy.

          “Democracy isn’t the objective; liberty, peace, and prosperity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.”

          Because the idea that people should get a say is ridiculous.

          It’s figuring out how to maintain dominance with a minority of support. And so, in that sense, I think the rhetoric is really telling. It’s a way of rationalizing the further entrenchment of minority rule.

          “Too much democracy” interferes with their plans.

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          It’s a Republican Democracy… a Democratic Federal Republic… whatever you want to call it, point is it’s both a Republic and a Democracy. They’re not mutually exclusive categories. In fact, most categories you can use to describe the structure/type of a government aren’t very exclusive categories. Governments are very complex and can be a lot of different things, so we have a lot of different terms (and different usages of those terms) to narrow a description down.

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          Either way, society is fucked until we got nothing left but to revolt - but that will never happen, as the carrot is being dangled all the time.

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            You’re funny. There’s nothing even remotely pro-Russia in my post history nor have I made any effort to convince anyone not to vote.

            I just think our country is fucked because of… well, pretty much everything that’s happened over the course of my life.

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        Ah but then you’re admitting that impeachment has shown itself to be of little effect for a (current) moment. It’s still incumbent on us as a society to hold those responsible for this accountable. And worse, it looks like somehow the impeached person is a likely prospect to become president again.

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    I wish there was a way to get rid of corrupt judges at the highest level that wasn’t a political process. I never understood the lifetime appointments anyway. It hasn’t done anything to keep them from being partisan.

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      The American founders didn’t have good understanding of civil service type stuff back then. Coming from Britain there was a bureaucracy but if I’m remembering my history right it was mostly staffed by nobles who needed jobs and the overriding concern was that money should keep coming into the government. Especially from the colonies. This was actually part of the reason we ended up in a war for our independence. It may not have gone differently with a direct line, but we had to go through the undersecretary to the undersecretary to communicate with the British government. Which effectively made sure our concerns were never heard by the King until we petitioned him directly. Then he consulted his top advisor who also had not heard any concerns previously and they concluded the petition was worthless. To which we decided property destruction was the answer and cue the escalations.

      So what our founders wanted was an independent civil service, but they had no idea how to make one. They only knew about patronage systems. And the one lethal blow to any patronage system is to say you can hold this position for as long as you want, as long as you’re not corrupt. They knew it wasn’t perfect. And they openly said we should be holding Constitutional Conventions on the regular to improve on things like this. For the record the two competing models are to lean into partisanship and hold elections, or run the judiciary as a technocracy with limited sovereignty. So the judges would actually figure out the supreme court and lower courts themselves in that system. Much like our military does now.

      Both of those systems have their pros and cons but importantly, none of them stop determined ideological assaults on the institution. By the time you are hiring people it is too late to stop that. They’ve already been indoctrinated and they aren’t going to tell the truth about it publicly. (For example all the judges that overturned Roe v Wade, said it was settled law or something similar in their confirmation hearings. Then they flipped the literal second they had the majority on an abortion case.) You have to stop indoctrination at the source, in education. Which is why there’s such a huge push by conservative Christians to destroy public schools.

      Anyways that’s probably more than you wanted. TL;DR is it was the best system they had at the time, and they could not have foreseen fuckery like capping congress which obliterated the idea of actually representing the local views in a national body.

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      There is. It’s illegal and it’s illegal to advocate for it, and it’s illegal to encourage someone else to do it. So I don’t wouldn’t do it, I don’t talk about it except in vague terms, and I don’t think you should do it either.

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        but… the declaration of independence says we have a duty to do it! Surely the founding fathers would approve…

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      Yeah here we have clearly obviously openly corrupt judges deciding on the biggest decisions of the land and nothing can seemingly be done to fix it. The system is broken.

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    Fantastic, I know this probably won’t go anywhere but this is the right thing to do regardless. SCOTUS needs to be held accountable to the American people for their actions. We grant them extraordinary power and that must come with extraordinary accountability. Holding them to a lower standard than any judge in a lesser court is ridiculous. The higher the court, the higher the standards should be.