“I’m worried about the fact that violence in the country is just escalating so much,” she says. “That this is a symptom of everyone thinking violence will solve their problems, and that I find tremendously frightening.”
I don’t know if violence can solve our problems or not, but I can guarantee that not changing anything, and maintaining the status quo, absolutely will NOT solve our problems, in healthcare or otherwise.
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The violent revolutionaries added an “or else” to Ghandi’s message.
I thought in Gandhi’s case what he preached was to just not cooperate with the British occupation and let it collapse under its own weight, which is kind of its own or else. Where can I learn more about the violent revolutionaries?
Dunno about the Ghandi situation, but a book that talks about how unions were forced into violence to get their pay from thieving industrial barons, among other examples of violence being the only way people claw back what they’re owed from the ruling class is A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn.
Biden in 2020, Harris in 2024: “Nothing will fundamentally change if you vote for us!”
Obama (“Change you can believe in”): Come on, you know why you are having such trouble at the ballot box
And even if it doesn’t solve the problem it at least makes people feel a bit better about it.
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How is this an escalation? It’s just one murder.
Violence is on their side lol
It will.
I’m not going to say how I feel about this, but I will say that United Health Care told me 2 separate times that they would reimburse me $2,000 for the vaccines before I traveled.
Then I got the vaccines and when I submitted the paperwork, they refused to reimburse me and the manger was like, “Oh, we made a mistake, we will not reimburse you for that.”
Also - $2000 for vaccines?!
Anti rabies was $1080 for 3 shots. There were a few others I needed since I was moving to a different country.
wtf. I’m glad I won the lottery with where I was born. But saying that, it has to be a constant struggle to prevent that dystopia anywhere. Not luck. Were the shots required for visas? Did you look into the price difference getting them at your destination? - more out of curiosity . $200nzd is the highest price I could find for full dose here in NZ - and thats private (not publicly funded). Approx 100usd. Some of your others would be free. I’m guessing you’re not coming to NZ though so not questioning your choice to vax for whats required at destination - sensible. Just the absolute scam world you poor Americans have to live with. We are all headed there if we aren’t careful, and keep our wits.
I absolutely don’t shed a tear for this man, nor his family, honestly. They lived their best life with the money he made off the denials of those who needed help the most. They can all straight up fuck themselves. Same with the media outlets trying to chastise the masses for their corporate overloads finally feeling a bit of the same discomfort and worry that they’ve saddled the rest of us with.
I don’t advocate for violence, but I absolutely don’t feel a thing for this guy or any other billionaire with similar targets bearing down on them. I see nothing, I know nothing, and thanks to their ilk, I feel nothing.
Oh look at Mr Tough Guy over here! Too tough to shed tears of joy, huh Mr Tough Guy! Pathetic!
This was lost completely on light thinkers.
Why are you so mad? You might need to take a break from online interaction until you calm down. Or not, I’m not your unloving parent!
Sounds like the US population is down to bring out the guillotine. Let’s do this.
Why not! They are trying to kill us with a smile.
Looking like gun violence is the American guillotine.
I’m a ghoul because I take delight in seeing this happen and hope these people feel genuinely afraid to leave their mansions.
He was a ghoul because his decisions lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and a leading cause of homelessness just to see a line go up.
We are not the same.
Hey now, that’s no solution at all.
If they’re too scared to leave their homes, they’ll be harder to assassinate.
Universal healthcare NOW
https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833
87% of democrats support single payer but Biden doesnt. Trump doesnt either.
Single payer or a public option would be steps in the right direction.
And yet this country chose to elect a president who has in no uncertain terms said he will dissolve Obamacare which will only give more money and power to the CEOs of shitty healthcare companies.
To be fair, people tried to shoot him too.
But the reason many voted for him, or simply didn’t vote at all was because the traditional poloticians weren’t helping either. Kind of a “banging my head against this wall hasn’t worked, let try this other wall.”
More like “let’s blow myself up together with the wall, that’ll show it!”
Yeah, nothing like trying to reign in the oligarchs who are over pricing everything by installing a bunch of oligarchs as your defacto government. That’ll surely fix the problem.
I don’t think the people who crossed over or stayed home expect trump to fix anything. That just wanted to send a message that they were not okay with what the dems were doing. And they didn’t have many options.
You are assigning far too much thought to how people voted this go around. I think it’s more basic than that. I think it’s just straight up apathy. Along with a good bit of confusion that was juiced by one of the richest men on the planet. Who just so happens to own one of the largest social media platforms that has ever existed.
Conspiracy theorists fall into the hole of trying to boil down complicated problems to just one singular factor. But it’s not. It’s very very complicated and there’s a lot of things that need to be done to fix it. My personal hope is that one of those will be that this absolute win by the Republican party and Trump in particular will be the the ax that takes down the Democratic party and allows us to build a new one in its place. But that’s kind of a pipe dream I think. Old dogs die hard. Plus there’s nobody out there who wants to step up and push the Democratic party out of the way. Bernie would be the obvious choice but he doesn’t seem interested in taking leadership role in a brand new party to oust the old one.
Bernie is too old. His time has passed. Some point to AOC. But I’m not feeling it really. Who knows though. Trump sort of came out of nowhere and took over the republican party.
Obamacare is a pretty huge handout to insurance companies anyway.
I am too young to have experienced what it was like Pre Obamacare. But as I understand it, insurance companies used to be able to drop you if you cost too much. What is the point of their existence then? What is the point of buying insurance if they can just drop you if you cost too much.
The point of their existence is - and has always been - to line their own pockets. Thassit.
How so. I always thought the things like forcing them to keep children till they’re 26 and not being able to drop people for pre existing conditions were good for consumers.
It also mandated people buy coverage and let them have 20% overhead which is absurdly high. Marketplaces added subsidies for buying insurance, which is ultimately a benefit to the insurance company. It also expanded Medicaid, which pays out tons to insurance companies through HMO plans. It also gave them justification to raise rates, as they now had to cover more things.
Covering kids until 26 is nice, but it’s basically free from the insurance company perspective. Covering pre-existing conditions is a negative, but there’s still room to increase premiums from it. The overall affect of the bill was positive for insurance companies.
It also mandated people buy coverage
Which got dropped fast, which I think is good, myself, for the reason you stated next:
and let them have 20% overhead
It’s only saving graces were the payment assistance and blocking the insurance companies from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Though the insurance companies found other ways to deny coverage.
Yeah, the only good thing about Trump possibly destroying the ACA is that I may provide the impetus to replace it with something better. I somewhat doubt that, but there’s a chance, especially if we start seeing a lot more hate towards health insurance companies.
No - I’m not letting this logic fester or gain traction. Trump and republicans do not want to replace the ACA. That’s a complete and total fantasy. Democrats took decades to get the ACA enacted, so once it’s gone it’s probably gone for decades. If republicans gave a damn they would’ve helped fix what is wrong with the ACA, but they’d rather full repeal with no plan to replace. Listen to what any of them say or do, they wear it as a badge of honor.
I meant after they destroy it and democrats, or whoever, take back power. Obviously Republicans aren’t going to replace it with anything good.
They had zero actual plan to replace it with anything last time they took it away, they didn’t even really pretend to even have one.
This won’t work if Trump warps our government in order to install himself as president for life.
If caught, this guy could be convicted of a felony. He has also shot someone on “5th Avenue”. Likely this guy could get elected president and avoid serving any time. There’s precedent.
If they catch him jury selection will be a tough gig for the State.
Dont think they will catch hiim, and if they do won’t be alive. Bet they have kill on site as their orders.
Maybe. Seems he has a few slip ups and they seem to have several leads. I think he’ll end up caught or end up dead. If caught, everyone in that city will need to remember jury nullification.
They could also just find him innocent. For example, if he is charged with premeditated murder, the jury could say they did not think the murder was premeditated and that he is innocent.
They could say that they don’t think the defendant is the person who did the crime and that he is innocent.
You just described jury nullification
I thought jury nullification was a third verdict that is not guilt or innocent.
Jury nullification refers to a jury’s knowing and deliberate rejection of the evidence or refusal to apply the law either because the jury wants to send a message about some social issue that is larger than the case itself, or because the result dictated by law is contrary to the jury’s sense of justice, morality, or fairness.
It’s a bit more complex and broad than that.
Its the jury disagreeing with the law
“We find the defendant innocent”
Or simply, “Oh this is the shooter? No he isn’t.”
Don’t let the selectors know you know about Jury Nullification.
People who claim to hate violence need to learn about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_violence immediately
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TIL about “Adultisim”
I can usually empathize, but I’m just not feeling it.
Thatcher and Nixon were people who made choices, had families, and implemented incredibly shitty policies because they believed in them (as much as a politician does). I can understand that: they did what they believed was right.
This CEO was a very well paid cog in a machine designed to avoid giving subscribers treatment they need and deserve. His company built systems and processes to maximize suffering and difficulty to avoid granting coverage to people who had paid for it.
He did nothing on principle. He helped build and perpetuate a horrible system so he could get richer from the suffering of others. No belief. No higher goals. Just money. He set out to become a rich cog, and he succeeded.
Sure worked out for him ;) let’s do the rest.
Why waste the extra energy trying to sympathize for one of the most despicable companies veiled under the moral bleach of Healthcare?
I haven’t been able to find anything about the guy or his time in the position at United Health Care. Do you have anything you could share so I could find out more about him?
From his Wikipedia page, some selected excerpts:
Thompson joined UnitedHealth Group in 2004 and was named CEO of UnitedHealthcare government programs that included Medicare and retirement, and community and state divisions in 2021. Under his leadership profits at UHC went from $12 billion in 2021 to $16 billion in 2023.
The investigation revealed that in 2019, UHC’s prior authorization denial rate was 8.7%. Thompson became CEO in 2021, and by 2022 the rate of denial had increased to 22.7%. For both Medicare and non-Medicare claims, UHC declines at a rate double the industry average.
A lawsuit was filed against Thompson, UnitedHealth chairman Stephen J. Hemsley and two other senior executives in May 2024 for alleged fraud and insider trading due to failing to disclose an antitrust investigation into the company by the United States Department of Justice and by selling stock options before the probe was made public.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Thompson_(businessman)
Oh. Wow.
Dang, fuck that guy
I made a large collection of screenshots from Facebook of people who had their claims denied by United Healthcare today if you want to really see violence.
Horrific!
We all were born into the social contract. The nation states of the world assumed a monopoly on violence to provide justice instead of us taking revenge. But when there is no justice, there are only two options: to resign yourself to injustice or to take revenge.
It is good to see the viewpoint of people working in health care. That they were afraid of being attacked over denied claims they have no control over, and that they see someone shot who was actually one of the guilty.
Remember, they’re allowed to have conferences where they LEGALLY casually discuss new and exciting technicalities and legal loopholes they’ve been working on to murder the customers that have responsibly paid them ahead of time to cover treatment for inevitable illness and disease in good faith, because once they’re sick, they’re a liability to their quarterly profit expectations and they need mooaaar.
Oh and since Reagan and especially since citizens United, they’re legally allowed to silence your voice through political bribery of both parties, good distraction though.
We can blow kisses and say thank you for killing us, or we’ll be silenced. Them’s the rules. Suuuper free country we got here. I feel personally very free.
I’m really not in favor of murder but its impossible to honestly argue against the idea that the world is a better place without that arsehole in it. Lets not discount the pain and tyrany that American health care companies inflict on their memebers, who count themselves lucky to have any health care at all. (Except for Kaiser, I love Kaiser).
The problem is that the machine won’t stop. The driver was removed but another is already in their place probably pushing forward the status quo.
I dont think capital punishment is considered murder.
