People like looking at photos of food and cats more than being railed for having "incorrect* political viewpoints? (/s for anyone not picking up on that btw:-P)
I literally just got called a snowflake in another thread for saying people should stop posting US politics in general communities. People still wonder why Lemmy has a bad reputation even in the entire Fediverse… Sometimes I wonder why I still bother here.
Yeah, that’s definitely a shame. Let’s see how it goes, but I’m about to create a !usdefaultism somewhere just to list those occurrences
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Less than half, that actually surprises me. I honestly assume most people I meet online are Yanks.
I think a lot of people talk like Yanks, or just don’t clarify. I’ve had conversations with other Brits where we both assume the other is a Yank.
Happens to me a lot too, when actually none of us are from the USA
I could see the numbers being a little different for Lemmy, but I don’t expect that they’re wildly different.
I seem to remember Germans were like 10-20% at one point, but that might have evened out over time
Would make sense with how they handled the migration from /r/ich_iel
Sie haben gerufen?
Nowadays, other countries also have Internet and can speak English
That’s reddit, not Lemmy?
This is awesome; I’m too tired to do it right now - but I’d I remember I’d really like to normalise this against country populations to see what percent of a nation is a Reddit user.
At a glance, I’m pretty sure Australia is punching well above its weight - if nothing else.
Would you have such stats for LW? Really curious as it feels more balanced here
With the data from https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list,
Honestly neither of these give a very good impression of where users are from, but I don’t think lemmy collects that data. Maybe if there was some way to check which languages people have listed?
Yes, it’s a bit difficult to infer any trend indeed, could be thousands of 1 person instances.
Languages don’t really work either, people tend to just speak English on the Internet. That’s why I was asking Serinus, I thought maybe on LW they would have some data
Actually I remember this data from lemmy.zip:
It’s actually the second or third thing I mention about Lemmy if it ever comes up in conversation. Sometimes I feel like just dropping it because of it.
I’ve seen it, but seems abandoned, and not a fan of yet another community on LW
The mod still seems to be active, last comment made 19 hours ago
i just hate the way most people here assume everyone is coming from US smh
Or the vast majority of political spam from only one country. I’d like more of a worldview. Be interesting to see how others have other problems and how it might be solved with other solutions.
I guess I am a snowflake too then, bc to me consent should matter. And while the USA is a part of the world, and also has an oversized effect upon it due to the size of the economy and trade deals and the like, it also can be overwhelming for some, who feel ostracized and left out as if only the big guys (and guns) matter.
But on the other hand, it is known that moderation sucks across the vast majority of Lemmy - it’s somewhat baked right into the tools themselves, e.g. removing whole posts rather than merely taking them out of the community lists but allowing people to continue their discussions already begun, as Reddit does.
So you may want to take it upon yourself to either start blocking by keywords (maybe find an app that allows that - I’m not sure which ones), or user accounts that do that, or even find a better community to engage with.
Though I agree with your conclusion: I no longer recommend Lemmy to people irl by virtue of having been burned by that far too many times before. We’re toxic AF in this Alt-Left (rather than Alt-Right) “Nazi bar” space, and a lot of the people here are legit those banned from Reddit for exactly that behavior.
moderation sucks across the vast majority of Lemmy
Moderation isn’t ideal, but absent moderators aren’t going to moderate even with the best tools
I mean, PieFed has some really cool thoughts about doing exactly that… I’m hoping for a lot there.
As it is, Lemmy is simply a more authoritarian version of Reddit - at the low level I mean, next to the users, who e.g. have no modmail recourse to discuss anything, nor even receive a notification that their content has been removed. Even while it is also open source so allows instance admins greater freedom to implement whatever policies they choose - disabling downvotes for example.
Anyway the more the technology can do the less reliance upon human efforts to moderate. e.g. to facilitate automated community discovery, so that there is lowered barriers to getting away from bad moderators.
I use a bridge to matrix for private messages to the bot accounts, reports for posts for which there are multiple bot accounts on different instances because federation is broken for reports, and new posts to the communities (where the last one was merged just few hours ago). We are also contemplating getting ourselves the functionality to automatically message users when we take action on their post/comment.
It’s crazy how far we have to go to make moderating stuff easier/more pleasant to do. I hope lemmy improves in that by a lot at some point.
My another gripe is no ability to detect image reposts because in image heavy communities they’re very common and remembering what was posted and when is a massive pita. That would fall under a bot category and not integrated feature (but would be cool if it was deeply integrated into lemmy so situations where it would tell you if it’s a repost BEFORE you even post it could be possible) but it’s still something that makes it harder to moderate. Same goes for posting to other communities because you need to check if it was posted recently or not if you aren’t chronically online to know that already.
For the image issue, if it is a link then wouldn’t Lemmy detect that already? Links to news articles and such at least work that way but I don’t know about images.
This is a link detection and not an image one. Two wildly different things. It also wouldn’t handle images with slight differences like an edit here and there because again, doesn’t handle images. Same goes for varying levels of compression. In fact it wouldn’t even detect the exact same images with different sources or when reuploaded by users. Even if there were people who source images from the same place it would still be irrelevant without an overwhelming share of the users doing that to make the feature actually relevant. And EVEN if there was this high coordination then any trackers, shorteners, arguments, etc. varying the link to the same source they would be treated as a different links without recognising them as a duplicate like with youtube for example. So users would need to be a literal mindhive to coordinate on this level and at this point the tools would be pointless because the knowledge would be shared between everyone anyway.
Having this feature would help immensely both as a poster and as a mod to handle the images with high probability of being a repost. But at the same time I know it isn’t feasible due to image processing requiring quite a bit of computing power so it will continue to be a dream.
I’m also a snowflake, cause it’s also annoying that people assume you’re from USA.
What state are you from?
That did make some sense… at one time, on Reddit or Facebook, but damn times have changed since then. Though teenagers have not :-).
Someone called you a snowflake? Ok…uh, I’ll call you a carrot.
But also, I don’t understand the rules for this game. It’s a snowman game, right?
I don’t disagree it’s an issue, but what should be allowed in general communities? If any other nation’s politics are allowed, then you can’t really just not allow US politics (unless you make that a rule for the community and part of its purpose, which is fine).
There are just more Americans here than any particular other nationality, so you get more US content on average. You’ll need specific non-US communities if you want to avoid it. Expecting general communities to not reflect the general audience is a little absurd.
!politics@lemmy.world isn’t about any country politics, it’s exclusively about US politics (see the sidebar)
!youshouldknow@lemmy.world should be useful information for everyone, not only US citizens
It’s what’s turned me off this entire time. Everything is replied to with someone virtue signaling.
I just got called a rapist! For asking wtf she was wearing, fashion wise. (On a non rape story just to be clear). I also wonder why I’m still here. Y’all need to be better.
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TbF I’ve seen plenty of wildly inappropriate bans on Lemmy too.
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The context of the post: 196 which is essentially a shit posting and take nothing serious community. Yeah that context. And that it was a straight question about what she was wearing, fashion wise since you really need to hear it. So thank you for demonstrating the exact problem!
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Reaction? If you see a simple question in a shitposting community, with the image of a fashion choice that is unconventional, and think “Hmm should I interpret this as a question about fashion as he asked, or should I interpret this as he’s a rapist and trying to be clever about it”, if you default to thinking that the other person is obviously a rapist (as you seem to have, saying that I’m seeking plausible deniability and try to associate me with Musk and trying to be clever with rape lol), then holy fuck, and frankly that’s on you. That was your reaction. Like you have to really out there to default to “he’s obviously a rapist”. You need to be better.
Honestly this is the perfect example of how Lemmy has a ravenous need to misinterpret. You just did it yourself.
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Looking at the comments, I can see how your comment got misinterpreted. I do believe you had no such intention, but the way it was worded (especially the last word, ‘anyway’) makes it sound out of context as if you were victim blaming. And from the number of votes, it’s obvious many see it that way. Rather than get mad at randos on the internet, why not just reflect that you might have written that in a somewhat confusing way, and clarify it? Without escalating.
I can see. But if people have a choice to interpret something as 1) that a question about fashion is in fact an innocuous question about fashion, or 2) that he’s obviously a rapist and victim blaming and I’m going to call him a rapist (when the entire tone of the thread and community is not serious), the problem that I see is that Lemmy is quick to misinterpret in the worst way possible.
And oddly enough, he was the person to escalate with that accusation, and I was the one to explain it.
if people have a choice to interpret something as 1) that a question about fashion is in fact an innocuous question about fashion, or 2) that he’s obviously a rapist and victim blaming and I’m going to call him a rapist (when the entire tone of the thread and community is not serious)
That’s on the assumption that the reader sees both possible meanings, though. Most people don’t do that, the first meaning that comes to mind is the one we go with. It’s a very rare person that will, without external prompting, go ‘I wonder if he meant something else?’.
And oddly enough, he was the person to escalate with that explanation, and I was the one to explain it.
From his POV, you had already escalated. Yeah it was due to his misunderstanding. But at that point you were the one with a choice as to whether to nicely explain your actual original meaning, (and maybe edit the confusing line?) or just rage about everybody on Lemmy being quick to assume the worst. Nobody’s the asshole here, it was a misunderstanding, but you could have chosen to make it better :)
If someone can’t see what the literal words say then… there are bigger problems. Which may actually explain things.
It’s odd that you think I raged. I observed.
Where did someone call you a rapist? Was it removed?
You were just joking around, right? Well, perhaps they were too. If you want it assumed about you, perhaps go ahead and assume it about then. That way, even if the former does not happen, at least you will definitely have the moral high ground regardless. Now, what was it that Obi Wan always says about the high ground…? :-P
LOL no I wasn’t joking around (about rape or anything else). It was a legit, straightforward question about fashion. And no he wasn’t joking, it was a pretty clear accusation.
I’m so confused.
This place just needs better moderation. I’ve said this multiple times before but there is a serious lack of moderation and most admins go dark for long periods of time. Make it clear this behavior isn’t okay, ban people who run their mouth, and remove low-effort posts.
Strong agree. Maybe we should start calling out communities with inactive mods. Like a spring cleaning of communities.
Could be a pretty easy flag to be displayed on any community. Basically last time the mod logged in or was active (should be available).
Don’t even need that, I know a few that could be used
I personally have seen much worse overmoderation than undermoderation.
Its nice right now…Hope it stays.
How dare you!! Here’s why you need to be vegan right now by the way grumble grumble grumble
Oh excuse me, while I convert my entire personality to incorporate that energy…
There, done! I am now okay with murdering anyone who is okay with, ah… murdering a uh… wait, I may see a problem here.:-P
It is your fault President Musk got elected, shitlord!!!
Kick ass! I’m all for more Fediverse stuff getting popular, and if this has any competition, just means more features will be added across all of them.
If you look at monthly active users instead of total users, Pixelfed is a strong 2nd place.
What are you guys posting pictures of over on pixelfed? What’s goin’ on over there that’s so popular? Is it more politics, and social issues? Or is it cats?
There’s a sudden influx of users from instagram and tiktok and whatnot because of the ban, zuckerberg fellating Trump, and all of that stuff going on. So the answer to “What’s getting posted?” is “everything”
that user name logo should be a war crime
I have standing orders to invade the Hague if ever tried there
It’s hilarious because it is so distracting … I scroll down my page and see this loading icon and it took me several passes before I got used to it.
It’s like Pavlov’s dog … I see a loading icon and I immediately sit there and wait … for something, I don’t know what but I have to wait … I took me a few times before I got used to it.
Interesting because i just joined 1 day ago so my feed only has 5 default following, but discover only has about 5 other peoples’ work repeated through the discover tab. It seems difficult to discover new people which could be a problem in retaining normal people after the ibflux, like what happened to lemmy
Which server did you join? I’ve been following lots of hashtags (including cats), so my feed there is pretty active. Just hoping some IRL friends and family will join soon so I have those sort of accounts to follow and share with.
Gram.social
To me, the entire idea behind federation is that, like mastodon and Lemmy, you can see everything in the space, not just what is on your own server, especially by default or extremely upfront and clear way to make the behavior like that. That is the entire thing people are afraid of when they have to choose a server which leads to centralization or people simply leaving.
I mean I also don’t get any of the hashtags I follow on my feed. Only the 5 accounts they forced me to follow by default.
It’s hard for me to believe the number of 44k monthly active users and yet the “most popular accounts” that I can see on discover have 45 followers and there is virtually no activity outside of a few photographers that imported their Instagram account.
Maybe federation isn’t working correctly for that instance? Maybe try to reach out to the admin?
I’m on Gram.social but don’t have that experience. Interesting.
Huh. Are you using the web browser or an app? Oddly, when I browse my gram.social home feed via the web browser, it’s mostly (but not exclusively) just the default accounts in my feed, but when I browse via the Pixelfed, PixelDroid, or Pixelix apps, I’m seeing lots of posts coming from many other servers, including Mastodon servers.
I am using the app. I sent a message to Stix the admin of the instance and magically a few hours later I was able to see everything (but no response). I wonder if there is a timed lockout or simply a soft ban to prevent spam on that instance. I also verified that discover indeed linked to other instances, but the results were still all but useless.
However, there is still no way I can find to switch to or even view the global feed on the app, but I can do that on the web browser app easily. Is there a setting that I am missing or so? It is very straightforward on every mastodon and lemmy app…
I dunno, I only follow capybarabot.
My dog. no really, hes a good boy.
And I follow one of the people from an Aquarium with fantastic shots.
Everything. It’s like early days Instagram, but people are more politically and socially aware, and posting about those things.
I posted a guide to modding a tatacon for taiko no tatsujin
Severely underrated game (with also one of the most underrated minigames ever!). I just wish it had more vidya crossover music.
The new one has more game music than old ones did. But to get a lot of it you have to subscribe. Thankfully the subscription isn’t terribly expensive ($10/3mo) and it’s easy to get it in a way that doesn’t auto renew. Music licensing is stupid though so music games are dying and will probably forever be subscription services going forward. The days of buying a game like guitar hero are long gone.
It has the classic ones like Mario medley, Zelda overworld, Kirby, persona 5, undertale, etc. but the game pass adds stuff like tekken, id@lmaster, ridge racer, tales of symphonia, ace combat, etc.
it’s a weird mix that’s definitely missing a lot of iconic stuff though. The push is definitely more pop/vocaloid/anime music
Alternatively you can get something like opentaiko or tjaplayer (closer to the real game) and use custom charts from a site like https://ese.tjadataba.se/ESE/ESE . You need a pc but it doesn’t require a particularly great pc and pretty much every drum controller, including the official console ones, work on pc.
I definitely wish it was more popular in the west. Online play is an absolute ghost town unless you play during Japan time. Like if you play during peak us hours matchmaking will literally spend 20-30 minutes to find no one.
…did you just have a stroke??? Did you turn Japanese midsentence? What just happened here?
That’s not Japanese fyi, 太鼓の達人 is the Japanese name
It is Japanese drumming game with an associated controller, I posted a guide with pictures to modify the drum controller so it’s more sensitive to being hit
omae wa mō shindeiru
なに?!
It’s mostly landscape, food, and cats.
I’m mainly posting dogs and computers
Misskey should have more active users, even more than Pixelfed right now. Almost all Japanese fediverse users are on Misskey instances.
A lot of post in Misskey instance are often followers only. I know several instance that the admin say they have thousands of users but simply not reporting any MAU users for certain reason. Even the one that report them are usually lower than actual MAU due to “offline mode”
I’ve been wondering about that - the Misskey numbers are very weird, with MAU even lower than the number of new users that join in an average month. But this is a good explanation, thanks. It’s just too bad there’s not a good way to get MAU for them.
What’s first?
Mastodon
Is this the fediverse’s answer to Instagram?
Yes.
-Instagram has pixelfed. -Reddit has lemmy -X has Mastodon/Misskey/Pleroma (&forks…) -Tiktok has loops (app still super rough around the edges and sadly on limited to one instance rather than having its own software from what i understand) -Youtube has peertube (so far the least used i think)
I dont understand how to join or post on peertube, its the most confusing, do you host your own, is there a feed of all the servers?
You just pick an instance and join it, sadly i don’t think it has enough federation yet so its entirely possible u just chose a bad instance and have amazing creators sitting on other instances yours isn’t federated with
If you f up and join lemmy.dbzero you wont see any posts from lemmyworld users and the same issue if you join the other
Incorrect, I’m on dbzer0 and see all of LW just fine
Can they not see you? Or is it just piracy stuff
Just the one community about piracy. The rest can be seen both ways
Does this help?
Yea peertube is rough… Mostly in part due to, in my opinion at least, people wanting to make use of YouTube’s ad revenue system even tho most creators I watch making most of their income via donations rather than ad revenue.
Where does Honk fit into this? https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk
Why are you mad, Lemmy.ml and its constant propaganda and misinformation is one of the main reasons Lemmy isn’t thriving.
LW dwarfes Lemmy.ml by any possible metric
It’s just that IG is much more popular than Reddit, so the Fediverse equivalents have the same ratio
Try not to project .world on .ml for 5 seconds difficulty level impossible
This meme sucks.
My feed on Pixelfed is way better the second week, now that I’ve followed a couple dozen folks and put some posts out there.
And pro tip: Post and tag a cute picture of your pet and people will see your account.
They need some starter packs like BlueSky because all I’m seeing are some art photography highly likely ai generated - and I have no idea where to find content that has any value. On searching the hashtags I’m getting mastodon posts containing links that can’t be clicked.
I thought that my first couple of days, but TBH, I actually really like that Fedi social media is completely self-directed. Not having the Jack Dorseys, Donald Trumps, and Zuckerbergs of the world vomiting content or stupid ads onto my feed is well worth the modicum of extra effort.
I found half of the people I’m following just by posting a picture of my dog and tagging it #CuteAnimals, and that got a nice response. I do follow a few hashtags and found follows there, but I will probably take them off once I’m up to 30-40 follows and I like my feed.
Search with the magnifying glass icon. In Discover maybe you can find something.
Is there any integration with Lemmy? Cross promotion would be awesome, and something big tech can’t actually do.
I am but a humble end user using the web interface, but I do know mastodon comments can somehow show up on Lemmy.
Moderately certain this is already happening, as evidenced by loops showing up so often in my “all” tab. If I understand correctly (and for the love of all that is good, someone please correct me if I’m wrong), Loops is “hosted” via pixelfed.
I think you are just seeing people repost loops to Lemmy as Loops isn’t federated yet
Oh, is loops going to be run as a totally separate service?
I’m not well educated on their project (nor on activity pub beyond a surface level understanding), but it was my understanding that is was going to be run as a sub-service of pixelfed. Don’t suppose you can point to any resources on that topic?
It’s just in early development and hasn’t federated yet.
It’s a separate thing from Pixelfed though. Just developed by the same guy.
Interesting to hear.
I’m super pumped for the project, but am largely waiting to get properly set up with it until there’s a good app and I can on-board the friends and family all in one go. Really hoping to get them all off TikTok/YT Shorts/Reels/whatever corporate and nation run projects the kids are using these days.
Have you tried it? It’s in open beta. The app is already really good. I don’t think it’s ready for the friends and fam yet but it’s worth checking out.
I’m liking it but they need to work on navigation, mostly the scrolling animations. What makes Tiktok/IG Reels great imo was the quickish navigation from post to post.
Loops is made by the same developer as Pixelfed but I have no idea what he intends for loops
I’m not sure about Lemmy, but I found this post to be a good explanation of how Pixelfed interacts with Mastodon.
Based on what it says there, I wouldn’t really expect it to play-nice with Lemmy though. We might be able to access Pixelfed posts here on Lemmy, but almost certainly not the other way around - because Pixelfed requires an image in every post.
yeah I also want some clarity around how that works and if it’s functional rnow.
Not surprising. As long as they can afford the servers, it will probably get to Mastadon levels.
Lemmy is a replacement for reddit, and reddit was always much smaller than Instagram.
Hopefully people are willing to donate to their instances to keep them financially healthy. It’ll be a pretty big issue for growth if it starts to get popular but the larger instances can’t afford to stay operational and disappear.
I was curious what the other apps were, found the list: https://fedidb.org/software
Good for pixelfed
Does anyone have recommendations who to follow on pixelfed?
Yeah dude me obviously. @mayur@pixelfed.social
Yesterday I revived my old Pixelfed account, and I have set myself a challenge, upload one photo every day for a month.
I have plenty of photos from the last decade to pick from
I don’t know if this will mean that my account will be active in the long run, but I’ll give it an honest try.
I posted this earlier in the thread:
https://pxlmo.com/p/stoy/787786012092436062
@stoy@pxlmo.com
I’m uploading shit daily. At least I’ll keep your feed busy.
People share photos and videos all the time on mastodon. What is the difference with pixelfed?
Everything on Fedi is just different interfaces and perf from the user perspective.
People want to continue to use something close to Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter but not be locked to their enshitified companies who decide what they get to see.
Many that come over find out there’s no algorithm and that they have to follow people to get any content, they find they miss the doom scroll and go straight back.
Every one of these federated apps needs a strong meme feed. Just an endless stream of shitposts and funny content. Doesn’t need to be doomscrolling, just needs to be a constantly available source of low effort junk food content
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Better UI and a better discover page mainly. Plus it’s gotten a lot of organic advertising just from luck and people talking about it, and no obvious competitor like Bluesky
Pixelfed allows video?
Yes. No transcoding, but that’s actually a feature as far as I’m concerned.
Nice.
Nice.
… which is absolutely understandable considering how lemmy is most of the time,
it’s politics non-stop, one bad news after another, everyone is quick to bash somebody as either a nazi or a tankie or something else.
there aren’t many places where you can discuss politics or at least try to find comfort in seeing others think somewhat same way. No wonder its all concentrating here. But there definitely should be a lot more non-politics content.
I’m just worried a lack of content discovery, (foss) algorithms, other features and consistent development will have an adverse effect on this new growth. I’m glad that Dan finally got the apps on the stores at a critical moment though or we wouldn’t even be here.
This is the issue. These apps don’t use algorithms that made the apps they are meant to replace popular in the first place. People may come, but I fear they won’t stay when it’s not an exact clone of what they know.
At the very least though, at least the algorithms are open source so we know exactly how hot, rising, and scaled are sorted in Lemmy at least and so people who want those algorithms can choose if they wish and those who don’t want them don’t have to have them.
We should train people to mindfully find content. Content discovery algorithms just encourage shitposting. Just put the top posts by favorites or boosts or whatever they are called on Pixelfed in a special trending feed and then just sort your follows by chronological and local by chronological. But as long as their is options, I won’t complain.
Searching hashtags needs to have sort options to make that happen. I want to see most recent and top liked too.
Only enough people need to stay to make it a viable alternative for many. And even if it’s just the first step in migration away from Twitter/Meta then that’s still at least a step taken.
