Whenever barrier to entry is discussed for lemmy, and reducing confusion for different servers is brought up, all of the isolationist comments come out of the woodwork.
Apparently redditors who are too dumb to register should stay on reddit?
We have a platform that seems to be working and slowly growing. Shouldnt we want good defaults in place to give the best possible experience with minimal user effort?
I’m a reddit migrant, making a move on as many media platforms as possible away from corpo ones over to more decentralized or open source ones
I support it because I want more people to talk about shows with
Okay so how is there no nerdy subs for stuff like this?
There isn’t that few of us, I think we just keep getting drowned in politics.
There’s a Doctor Who community, but it’s not very active
Yeah… the only thing that gives me hope is the Simpsons shit posting sub, it’s just a little less active than the Reddit equivalent. I guess being a Simpson fan made you more likely to migrate.
I havent really kept tabs on how the “everything” feed works. Does it show posts from small communities here and there? Or is it the most upvoted stuff over the instance?
Some engagement algorithms to showcase popular posts from smaller communities seems like a good way to get people to branch from politics abd linux a little bit.
Edit: scaled view is really what im describing and already exists
So I sort either by hot or active, and view either home or all.
Home + hot is the least noisy and I use it for my feed good time, although lots of politics still comes through.
All + active shows you the most controversial stuff, pretty much your regular political dramas.
All + hot leads to random posts from communities that are obscure, can be very fun sometimes.
Honestly, imo the biggest problem is the state of the world, not the technology
Unfortunately, nerdy =/= tech literate, and it’s mainly tech literate people here at the moment. While there’s likely a higher concentration of nerds here, many fringe interests still haven’t hit critical mass
Binging anything right now?
Watching Doctor Who in chronological order
Chronological based on episode airing date, or date depicted in that episode?
Date in the episode, baby
Now I kinda want to watch it by date depicted… Do you know of a list somewhere for that?
Holy crap! That is hilarious and awesome. This guy went to a lot of work to edit this together… Part one is 24 hours! I’m set for awhile. Thanks so much.
Watching Doctor Who is such a treat. Where are you at? The 12th is one of my favorite runs
Just got to the TV movie.
Holy crap isn’t there a A LOT of Doctor Who?
It’s taken several months and also I skipped most of the Third Doctor era because that would just be watching the show normally
Severance!!
It isn’t very long, but I just wrapped up Mobile Suit Gundam: Requiem For Vengeance.
It’s kind of obvious that it was a rather low-budget show, which is a pity because the story concept is something I’ve wanted for ages, but now won’t be repeated because it was done and didn’t fare well.
Bookwise, I’m chewing my way through The Dresden Files.
Interesting that you mentioned Gundam, I started with the original series and then sort of switched over to Macross and finished the original season of that. Neither one really struck a cord with me… I’m more of a Space Battleship Yamoto 2199 person I guess
I admit unfamiliarity with SBY2199 beyond seeing some clips and understanding the basic concept.
That said, from what I do know, it’s more of a… dramatic-flare show, whereas Gundam (especially the Universal Century) tends to be a bit grittier, grim, and grounded about war? You might enjoy Mobile Suit Gundam 00, which (from my perspective) is I think a little more “Yamato-like”.
Nice, subscribed!
Silo on Apple TV is really good
Severance as well. Very very good IMO. The books silo was based on are great as well. First one is called wool I believe.
I started watching House again randomly.
Only Murders. Not binging, but we’re watching through it.
Feel this as I semi-void post about some of the shows I’ve watched in !showsandmovies@lemm.ee. Trying to let people know there’s someone else around here watching Japanese and Korean shows.
Thank you for posting it!
The more we can do to move people to the fediverse, thereby reducing corporate control, the better.
Subscribed.
Currently, it seems most Lemmy users are very technically inclined, there are a lot of software devs and sysadmins. I certainly don’t mind that, but I would love to see a more diverse demographic. I do feel like some people here seem to think that technical knowledge strongly correlates with the ability to have intelligent discussions, which I don’t.
I’m mechanically inclined, worked on cars profesionally for a few years, been in manufacturing for over ten years now. I can research enough to get around a linux terminal, but I learned compuers on apple IIe and commodore 64.
Token math/systems-illiterate humanities person here, glad to be of service.
I can talk to computers but not people, we need all kinds here 🥳
How dare you assume we are all software devs or sys admins!!
… I am a software dev though hahaha ;p
Jokes aside, i agree. We are all humans and diversity is important so we dont alienate ourselves to the outside world and create echo chambers.As a sysadmin, I must second the claim that we are surely not all software devs and sysadmins.
…Right?
Lol same and you reminded me of this scene from men in black 3: https://youtu.be/GNOZhAc26I8
How dare you assume we are all software devs or sys admins!!
Yes indeed!
I’m something of a technophobe. If I can figure it out most should be able to.
In reality we should.
To many in lemmy are to happy to stay in their special little corner.
Its just confusing to me because lemmy is made to give anyone their preferred corner.
Asking for low barrier to the largest instances (entry points for new users) seems like a different ask than for professional lemmings to give up their platform.
Its just confusing to me because lemmy is made to give anyone their preferred corner.
In theory, yes. In practice, it depends.
It’s too easy for trolls to manipulate the way Lemmy is structured. If they get banned on one instance, they can create a dozen more accounts on other instances.
In general, yes. Everyone does their own thing and goes where they want which is awesome. Unfortunately, trolls can do the same on a much grander scale than on Reddit.
Asking for low barrier to the largest instances
And what defines a low barrier for entry? I just checked the sign-up process for Lemmy.world, and it’s just email > password > agree to ToS > complete a Recapcha. All on one page. How is that any different to any corporate social media site?
The big hassle for signing up for Lemmy is finding an instance that matches your preferences, but I don’t see how that’s possible to get around. The only thing I can think of is streamlining join-lemmy.org to better direct people to a fitting server.
I know I’m being combatative here, but the thing that bugs me people keep parrotting the same complaints of “there’s too much friction” when that problem has pretty much been fixed. Please focus on the currently existing problems instead
That’s just due to the nature of alternative platforms
In my opinion, everyone who is like “we only want more people who understand the fediverse” are stupid.
How are people supposed to learn and understand the fediverse if they don’t try it?
The more people we get off of corporate bullshit, the better.
I’ll admit that I don’t really understand it and I’ve been here since the start on various accounts over various instances. I don’t want to understand it, either.
I never got on with mastodon, nor really any of the other fediverse other than Lemmy. Simply because I never used their corporate counterparts. I also don’t really care about other instances within Lemmy. I hate the politics between them. Though I understand why it exists, it makes this place much less enjoyable due to the hostility.
I’m just here to keep me off Reddit because I’d been there so long that it became hard to walk away. Lemmy feeds that addiction, but it doesn’t provide the wealth of information that was readily available on modern Reddit. It feels a lot like old Reddit but with less rage comic and animal advice memes.
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Everyone who is like “we only want more people who understand the fediverse”
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Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Diversity is paramount for social media, otherwise it becomes an echo chamber or worse.
Say what you will about the average redditor, but remember at a certain point they’re just the average person.
I mean, love me some Linux nerds and Germans as much as the rest of you but lemmy needs more.
Sure, but at the same time all of the worst comments I’ve seen have been from instances that were mainly linked to from reddit i.e. lemmy.world. Like, rage inducing misinformation. I prefer the much higher quality of discussions on lemmy which I would rarely see on reddit, but it is tiring seeing linux lotr star trek politics be 99.9% of the content / discussions…
Who’s “we”? I don’t run a lemmy instance. I’m not against new users. I’m also not opposed to a lot of hard work and money going into making the experience better, but since I’m not providing either - who’s “we”?
Lemmy.world users, and maybe other instances.
Its not about demanding new features from people who volunteer their time and money, its about the community being understood and maybe having some consesus about what we’d like to see because i do imagine the people who manage this instance care about what users want.
And its nice to talk about these things directly instead of having people speaking for the instance in a hundred conflicting ways in random posts.
Broader adoption of lemmy ensures more longevity, and likely better, more diverse development. Ignore the haters. Everyone was new here at some point and the last thing we should do is pull up the ladder behind us.
Change is good. Change is life. People who oppose change for its own sake are in favor of stagnation.
There are a LOT of haters though
Id like to see some polls tbh.
I’m one of those, and km not against it.
Seems like a pretty tiny minority you’re talking about.
I got my instance, but I’m not really sure how to handle it if people started living on it :-)
It’s all my hardware on a gigabit fiber link. Any advice greatly appreciated.
I haven’t seen many comments not wanting people to join but more like, we are fine even if they don’t.
When I joined lemmy, I found it to be rather easy, so I never understood this barrier to entry.
I think it’s because someone just linked me to an instance, so I just went there and signed up like a regular site.
Ideally we want more users and for the fediverse to hit critical mass but idk how that can ever happen when corporate social media sites will always have a marketing budget.
So imo it’s not the difficulty, it’s like wondering why people keep paying for certain software when there are free alternatives, cause corporate software will always be more dumbed down.
I’m happy to stay in my weird little corner.
And thats totally valid and also i hate you
*snif*
This isn’t a lemmy only thing.
Seen this since the 90’s and the start of Eternal September. ‘How dare we change or help these constant Lusers show up. How DARE we allow for differing opinions. Our way is the ONLY right way! Why should we allow this CANCER to infect us?’
To further emphasize that point: I’m part of a tilde community. I have been working on a migration document highlighting services and other options for social media migrants. The local newsgroup is sparcely populated. So the one technical guy that’s a frequent poster had this to say:
I think these followers and likes counters’ places unleash the wrong attitude. People write stuff to collect these by pleasing the potential reader instead of writing just facts. Fights over points and factually wrong answers that gained a lot of up-votes drove me away from reddit and SE. Some even write BS and get terribly upset if you point them to a man page that contradicts their statements.
Communication media should fit the job. Chats be volatile and fast while mail, mailing lists and news are allowing detailed discussions in long articles.
Sending people from twitXter or FB to Mastodon does not help them evolve. It just gives addicts a supposedly more free variant of their drug instead of getting them away from it.
Less is more!
The isolationists are wrong, and to me would rather watch the world burn for the sake of being proven right in their isolation than to help people.
I found the enrollment pretty straightforward when I joined. The page I found when googling “join lemmy” listed the major instances and shortly summarized the concept of federation. I don’t think even mildly tech savvy people would have an issue enrolling but it’d definitely confuse my eighty year old mom.
We should make one fully centralized mega instance and contain all the Redditors over there.
There’s a lot that can be easily improved when it comes to cleaner default settings and usability. I’m all for what you’re suggesting. But…
We can’t expect people who want a perfect copy of Reddit to stick around here. We can welcome people when they come try out Lemmy, but there needs to be some give and take. For the benefit of leaving the control of spez and co., some jankiness and learning curves is the price to pay, mostly owing to resource constraints, a smaller userbase and the decentralized philosophy.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. When new users arrive here, I welcome them and regularly offer tips to make their experience better. On the other hand, if they aren’t willing to put in the effort to make the experience their own, I won’t cry if they go away either.
Isolationism occurs in any functioning group because people fear losing it, or being drown out by the new users. There’s also the small sect of people who seem to have the vocal attitude of “well I figured it out so you shouldn’t need my help,” which I’ve run into in varying forms.
I remember it happening on Reddit too. First when the great Digg migration occurred. And at various times later in some subs that shot to frontpage level popularity.
I think we should encourage migration. Lemmy isn’t going to shoot to Reddit levels overnight, we’re probably seeing a growth that will plateau, then shrink as people miss their niche communities (which we have too few active users to have thrive). If we’re very lucky the folks that stick around will grow Lemmy 10ish%. But every time we do that those niche communities become that much more viable and Lemmy in generally becomes more appealing lurkers.
Check out https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats&months=24
Monthly active users are actually pretty stable over the last 2 years, while posts and comments are steadily rising. While monthly active user growth would be better, I don’t think we’re in a bad spot right now.
Granted, all of Lemmy should strive to figure out how to get more people on the platform so more niche interests can hit critical mass. My point is that things are currently stable so the sky isn’t falling
