Summary
A European Parliament member claimed that the U.S. gave Europe three weeks to agree on Ukraine’s “surrender” terms or risk an American withdrawal from Europe.
Mika Aaltola made the claim on X, but provided no evidence. NBC News reported that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suggested a U.S. troop reduction in Europe.
Trump reportedly plans to cut 20,000 troops and demand greater NATO contributions. He has pushed for higher NATO defense spending.
Trump may meet with Putin soon, believing Russia holds the upper hand in negotiations.
Russia is losing in Ukraine but some how in the Orange Turds mind Russia is wining. Russia has the upper hand with their Puppet in the USA.
No no, he doesn’t think that Russia is winning, he wants Russia to win.
He needs Russia to win…
Because Putin demands it of him to force it that way.
I wonder what Putin has on Trump. Pee tape or P-Tape?
It’s either footage from Epstein’s plane of sex acts with obvious minors, or it’s just that Putin tells him he’s a great leader and everyone knows he’s cleverer and better than Obama, Clinton and Biden. Trump is a complete sucker for absurd praise.
Putin helped him to get in the position he’s in. It’s a long-term mutually beneficial relationship. No need for P-tapes - who cares about those nowadays? His base?
Shady loans from his businessman days?
It would set a good precedent for his plans with Canada and Greenland.
Russia has the upper hand in Trump’s ass.
Most analysts these days say that Ukraine is about to collapse military in the next year. More weapons alone wont cut it anymore as Ukraine is running out of troops to use them.
The strategy of using Ukraine to exhaust Russia, but never give Ukraine what it needed to defend itself fully and win, just for Ukraine to keep not losing, is failing now.
Russia incurrs high losses, but it is not exhausted yet.
Russia is using donkeys for frontline logistics and sending battalions of severely wounded/disabled people into battle to soak up bullets. They also don’t rotate people off the frontline like, ever. They’re not doing ok. Yes they’re taking a small amount of ground, but they’re bleeding themselves dry to do it.
Russia has the US on their side now, so no need to worry.
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All they need is donkeys and wounded people to take on the West. Hell, in Iraq there were multi-million$ US tanks being blown to pieces by $30 IED’s. Both US and Russia were beat in Afghanistan against goats and tunnels. Not trying to say that Russia is doing fine (they’re not) but their technology or lack-thereof is less a sign of weakness and more of a flex. It’s almost as if Russia is saving the good stuff for somewhere else, like a geopolitical rival they’ve had for over 100 years, who are currently destabilized and divided done by the help of Russian disinformation tactics and their own assets in that rivals government, you know…
It’s not like any direct conflict between the US and Russia would be fought with conventional weaponry. It’s be a 30 minute nuclear exchange where everyone loses. But they are actually just running out of stuff.
Not necessarily. Pretty sure when America is divided into civil war, you bet there will be Spetznaz training local insurgency to help facilitate weapons and instability in the region. You know, like what America did to Russia’s borders (the middle east). Some would argue that’s already happening, what with all the Russian money flowing in the West (people in finance call London ‘Londongrad’ because there’s so much Russian money) into things like the NRA and donations to red or blue politicians in elections. The Russians literally wrote down their playbook in ‘Foundations of Geopolitics’ and they’ve been following the recipe to a T with great success. No need for any massive invasions or unconventional weapons, just keep sending weapons and special forces training from Russia to Ya’ll Qaeda and BBQ Haram and America will be a hollow shell of it’s former self.
So they need more boots on the ground? I have boots.
Russia is losing in Ukraine
I’d like to also take a hit from your pipe, bro. That shit must be very good
Id say having to revert to donkeys and 30+ year old civilian shitboxes is losing for the “2nd greatest army”.
I mean, we’ve all already assumed US capitulation and cessation of any alliance tbh. It only took about two weeks.
Jog on.
Best of luck with China and that supply chain. They’re looking at how you’re throwing Ukraine under the bus and thinking “Oh hell yes”.
I’m confused by what you mean. Yes, if you disconnect from Europe you would absolutely need China’s supply chain. And Russia proved it’s a very powerful supply chain. Hate it all you want, but without even sending weapons, Russia was able to sustain the war under massive sanctions.
I mean, if Trump actually secures China’s supply chain and actually decided war is the best way to resolve Greenland and Panama, well, the world would be completely fucked. There’s nothing the rest of the world could do to stop any of this. The horrifying combination of US military, tech and China’s production capacity, Jesus fuck that’s terrifying.
The worst thing is, this is now a likely scenario. Considering Trump and Putin are both on board, the entirety of humanity is now dependant on Xi not being as power hungry and insane. God this is nightmare fuel.
I kinda doubt China wants to share things with the US. That and I doubt Putin wants the China to be stronger either. I think China would be cool not stepping in the way of the US and Russia so long as they see some opportunities for themselves.
Yeah, but we have to hope as a species that’s what China decides. Looking at their history, that’s actually likely. But we’re basically gambling on a sane decision from the CCP. That’s not a place I want to be. Though in fairness, I think most people here would agree with me.
When I stated china is look for opportunities for themselves, I don’t imagine it’s anything good for us. Regardless of what Xi’s china decides, it won’t be good for democracy nor us.
I’m just talking about very bad and less very bad. But yes, regardless now the outcome is negative.
China sees themselves as top dog in the world. The name for China in mandarin Chinese translates to “the central kingdom”. They want to exert economic control over the world rather than military. They want to be the country that all the other countries go to for help. Essentially they want the USA’s old job.
It’s about whether US will do the same throw under the bus routine with Taiwan I think. China would love to know that the US won’t seriously contest an attempt to invade their neighbor across the strait
I’m not sure what Taiwan has to do with a supply chain, but yeah, Taiwan falling to China would absolutely be part of the agreement. And as insane as what I’m about to say, especially since I’m Taiwanese, Taiwan would be a tiny footnote if this all goes through. It’s nuts that the entirety of the democracy’s survival is completely dependent on the will of 3 people and 2 of them have already proven to be completely insane and the third one no one is happy with.
Taiwan is important culturally to China for history reasons. But it’s much important financially and technoly wise due to tsmc. That was the true point of the chips act so us technology wouldn’t be so reliant of Taiwan but I doubt Trump understands that.
It’s far more than historical reasons, Taiwan is complicated at best. I’m not going to claim I know who’s right or wrong or literally anything on the topic. All I can say is my personal opinion and on that I hope Taiwan will find a way to keep it’s independence regardless of their official standing in the world.
On the chip act. Yes, I agree, very much so…
Looking into history to determine which territory should belong to which country is such a bullshit.
Sure. So we go by votes? What about Hawaii, Barcelona, Ireland, I could go on. Those are all nations that have been swallowed to history where western nations are OK with the oppression of people. What makes the difference, what is the deciding factor? I dunno, but any way you judge it, every nation is doing this today.
Why do you think Trump is asking for Greenland? They’re been trying to be independent for some time now the the Dutch won’t let them. Obviously they don’t want to be swallowed by USA, but they’re so small they might not have a choice. So no maps here, what are we basing it on? How does it work?
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Your prediction is coming true.
Fuck Trump, fuck America, fuck everything that is happening right now. Fuck
They got loads of weapons and ammunition, even soldiers.
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Pretty sure its P for pedofile not pee.
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Which one is the 1 here, cause 2 is america
risk an American withdrawal from Europe.
Why is this a threat? Is there a reason Europe would want a hostile country to remain there?
Yeah. We need to prepare to defend Greenland from the US. Having 100.000 enemy troops stationed all over the continent who need to be contained first makes it practically impossible.
And now the mask is finally peeling off. The US bases around the world are not their to defend the countries they are in. They are there to defend the US interests. This should be obvious to anyone, who can read just a little bit of history, but better late than never.
I agree, but at least before Trump defending Europe was a common interest of Europe and the USA
Because Europe can’t defend itself.
Any American willing to fight Europe is a piece of shit, especially if it’s your job.
Coming soon: “Fuck you for your service.”
Agreed. I have my piano wire at the ready just in case.
Fuck him. First, he’ll do what we wants regardless of whether you concede to his demands. If we wants to withdraw troops, he’ll withdraw them, no matter what concessions you make to him in hopes of preventing that. Look at his history. Look at how he has treated the other party in Every. Single. One. of the “deals” that he’s made. He fucks them over. NEVER believe he’ll hold up his side of whatever bargain you make. He won’t.
Don’t ever concede to this bully. The more you concede, the more demands he’ll make, like with a blackmailer. Call his bluff. Say, “Sorry, we don’t agree. If that means you’ll withdraw, then don’t let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out.” Bam! End of bullying and if he didn’t want to withdraw, he’ll find some excuse no to go through with it (or probably just lie and say you agreed to do something for him behind the scenes).
Ukraine can’t survive without US assistance.
Maybe not, even probably not, but with Europe’s help it can at least keep fighting for now, with the possibility that something could happen in US or Russia to change the equation in that time. That’s all very uncertain, but what is certain is that if Europe agrees to this Putin/Trump terms of surrender, it’s over for Ukraine immediately. And then other countries will be next.
We don’t know for certain whether other countries will be next or not.
Europe providing more support for Ukraine hoping for a miracle might lead to more suffering for Ukrainians and just more territory losses. That’s a risky bet. It also feels like a half hearted measure. Might be time Europe goes all in it really thinks Russia is an existential threat.
We do know for certain, we know Putin’s plans, he’s not exactly keeping them secret. In this new situation that is more positive for him, he has no reason to suddenly choose not to continue.
I insist that we don’t know for certain what Putin’s plans are. If you are so sure yourself, would you bet your most valuable possession on it?
Besides, if you are so sure of that, isn’t time for European countries to drastically ramp up support for Ukraine and join the war?
It is, but they probably won’t do it, because they’re not united enough. Some European countries have pro-Putin leaders, in some, the power is split.
He’s gonna withdraw anyways…he works for you Putin. They are ramping for WW3 with the world vs USA/Russia/China…fucked up to put us with Russia but here we are.
Yeah he’ll withdraw troops and NATO support no matter how things go in Europe …
He’ll need more armyboots at home defending his regime … also needs to recoup costs due to losing out on tax income and tariff lies. Then there is this thing where he wants to give Putin this favor of dismantling NATO.
So, his demand was 2% in 2017 … and countries are exceeding that, Poland is already spending more than even the US, and Germany is climbing, so he upped it to 5% to get the excuse of the US backing out.
Even if they meet 5%, in a few years he’ll up it further.
Ofcourse for now he’ll assume the NATO members still feel bound to keep supplying intelligence information and buy American weaponry, even if NATO falls apart.
The other four of the Five Eyes should be having a rethink. Maybe there are worse things than losing an eye.
Pretty sure Poland is already on course to exceed 5%.
Has China given an indication they’re allied with the US? This is an earnest question.
I think it’s more trump / Putin and Putin/ Winnie the Pooh so they are just all friends
Japan and Germany were strange bedfellows the last time this all happened, if you’ll recall.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” and all that.
No.
They are ramping for WW3 with the world vs USA/Russia/China…
Holy fuck I feel so sorry for the world.
Less than half of the US support Trump though, so the US would either be on the side of the World or fighting its own civil war.
About 2/3 of the voting age no?
1/3 actively voted for him, and 1/3 was “fine with either option”
He didn’t win the >50% of the vote if you count third parties which is interesting enough.
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Nah. Lumping the people who didn’t vote in as supporting trump is stupid.
(I fully expect most of you to do it, though.)
Edit for the downvoters: Are you really delusional enough to believe that people who didn’t vote for trump are automatically going to die for him in a war? Lol.
Lumping the people who didn’t vote in as supporting trump is stupid.
In the context of electoral outcomes, it’s objectively true. Other than that, I think most of us would agree with you.
In the context of electoral outcomes, it’s objectively true.
Not really, but I expect you to be delusional enough to believe it.
It is true. By not opposing fascism, you’re tacitly supporting it.
They literally published a playbook of what they’d do if they won. The contents of it were known. The man straight up said he would be a dictator.
Knowing all of that, if you didn’t oppose him, you were complicit in him gaining power.
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The delusion on these forums is palpable.
“If you don’t vote in an election, you automatically support one candidate over the other!”
Glad most of it is contained online, though.
Expecting them to defend the USA from Trump is also stupid. They couldn’t even be bothered to vote.
Not really, if it came down to a civil war.
Congressional approval is required for acts of war. I know the Republicans have Congress, but are they willing to go that far??
I don’t think they’ve actually approved a war since Korea. They ceded that power to the president. Congress never declared war on Vietnam, Iraq x2, or Afghanistan. And that’s just the big ones.
You are incorrect on each of those. Vietnam was approved by Congress with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (1964). Iraq was approved with the Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (2002). Afghanistan was approved by the Congress Joint Resolution (2001).
If you don’t agree 100% with what Trump says you’re an traitor. They probably will, rightly fearing for their lives if they don’t
Call his bluff.
American soft power around the globe relies on having those bases on foreign soil.
Military bases and soldiers are the opposite of soft power
Eh, it’s at least hybrid. Classic hard power is the use of the military. That can include garrisoning but usually by force, not by permission.
If you think about it from position of China being the biggest threat, then only Asian bases and countries matter. That’s why we don’t hear much about Trump doing crazy things in that region.
While Europe is important, it should be able to fend for itself. Also Europe joining China is unlikely in short and mid term. So it make sense to spend less money on Europe and focus on Asia.
Also explains the Russia situation. Although culturally Russia is as European as Sweden and Germany, this war has pushed it closer to China than ever. If the conflict lasts longer, then their alignment would be immenent. Personally I’m surprised that they didn’t align more. China was being surprisingly passive about the whole thing.
Isn’t china already heavily invested/investing in Hungary?
Yes China makes big distinction between US and Europe in its rhetoric. And they are working on pulling Europe from USA, but it’s early days and it will take time. Lots of time.
I think Trump will manage to push Europe into China’s arms well within the next 4 years at the rate he’s going. If Europe can get China to back Ukraine I think that’s all it would take at this time.
I don’t think so. They are culturally too different. Europe will continue to suck American cock for at least couple decades going forward. That’s not to say that economic ties won’t increase in the meantime.
China has announced today it supports the peace talks started by the US and Russia.
Yes they have nothing to gain from not doing that at the moment.
china backs whoever is likely on the winning side that benefits them, right now trump is useful to china. also helps if russia weakening as a power as well, china and russia are frenemies at best.
If the conflict lasts longer, then their alignment would be immenent.
Indeed. I do think this is why the US is seeking to end the war quickly.
Personally I’m surprised that they didn’t align more. China was being surprisingly passive about the whole thing.
China’s policies is for long term military and economic growth without the use of foreign alliance. The PRC doesn’t like to take risks when they don’t have to, and a rapid military alliance with Russia will come with plenty of risks that the Chinese might want to avoid.
risk an American withdrawal from Europe.
Do it, coward
Boy do I wish the EU and the UK would sign an agreement to cut all trade immediately with the U.S. and force the isolation this bafoon pretends they want. Prices will skyrocket everywhere, but the number of dumb Trump followers will fall off a cliff and he would be forced to step down by the oligarchs he surrounded himself with. The market would crash for certain.
Idk anymore. The maga handlers have complete control of the maga cult media machine. I could imagine this happening, and right media spinning up a lie that maga eats up. “Biden did this with the Democrats!” He encouraged a coup that was recorded, and people all but forgot about it.
They can lie all they want. No trade means inflation. Inflation means markets crashing. It can’t be stopped without spreading wealth oligarchs don’t want to share with those in need. When people starve, they will murder rampantly to stay alive.
Most of the rich are smart enough to know they only stay rich if the people stay peaceful and mildly satiated. You don’t want to lock yourself in with 250,000,000 starving people with guns.
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I was just doing rough math for the almost 60%+ that live paycheck to paycheck. Figure those people will make it about a month with that kind of inflation before they can’t make rent/food/ whatever
these billionaires have bunkers in NZ, they arnt staying here incase shit like this happens.
Point is they wouldn’t let it happen. They’d stop it by throwing Trump and co under the bus and take their money and power to the next best thing. Which would likely be backing a stupid moderate Democrat and getting things “back to normal” as fast as possible
You’re talking about the negative results, but the important point is who is attributed as causing them or the reason behind them. If there’s record inflation, I can imagine a situation where MAGAs believe it’s for a good reason, or because woke caused it or something. Remember, people died with covid, in complete disbelief of it because of conservative spin.
I’m hoping people wake up, but who knows how far we must fall before they do. Jan 6 and COVID I thought were those points. But here we are at depths unimaginable, and accelerating.
In regards to oligarchs, look how bad things are in other countries. Russia is an example where people have less rights, freedoms and money than us yet they aren’t rebelling. We can still reach that point sadly. I hope you’re right that people wake up and become angry way before they point.
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We’ll keep all the non-personel weaponry tyvm!
Yeah, well we didn’t vote for him. He can keep his lunacy for his subjects.
Pretty sure they didn’t vote for him either.
I’m begging for Americans to do something against Trump. You can’t just let someone who’s so blatantly under Putin’s thumb destroy everything.
Agreed. But the window of opportunity to act is closing fast. I’d be shocked if musk doesn’t have a massive fleet of drones to patrol the streets.
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Only to protect the interests of capital though. If you’re a popular black guy talking about economic distribution then you’re cooked, but increasing the wealth from the middle-class to the rich and killing the opposition is what the CIA is for.
You’re assuming they didn’t help bring this about in the first place.
Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that’s going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.
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Never seen this word before and in my head I just read “foshizzle”
Europe countries do not have the power to “unleash holy hell upon the US.”
This but economy 101. Why waste military hardware when the most precious thing the US has economically is their high tech sector. Let’s tank it for the Lulz.
The most triggering for Trump would be to ignore the gulf of America thingy… Keep calling the gulf of Mexico., the gulf of Mexico.
That you?
France’s thermonuclear arsenal says hello.
Not really what we want to do though, surely.
And I give trump three weeks to vacate the white House and the presidency.
Or what?
Trump doesn’t have the authority to dictate the foreign policy of other countries making his statement just as empty and meaningless as mine.
Are you suggesting the US hasn’t been dictating the foreign policy of any country in history? That’s a wild statement.
If any European country bows down to Donald, I’ll boycott it for the rest of my life
You can count on Hungary and maybe Slovakia to grovel…like good america/russia first Europeans.
Possibly Serbia too
Serbia is in Europe but not in EU, in this case their opinion (which probably aligns with the Kremlin) doesn’t count
“If any man dies with a clean sword, I’ll rape his fucking corpse!” - Winston Churchill, 1940.
Hungary and Slovakia for sure. Italy is heading in that direction after Meloni cried about the anti-trump meeting held in Paris.
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What would be the purpose of US support in Europe if not defending against Russia?
The US presence in Europe exists to facilitate US power projection, if we are not stopping Russian advancement then there is no reason for host countries to allow US bases in their territory.
Cleary its time for Europe to round up, cage up, and deport all Americans and put a wall around Europe. And America will be made to pay for it.
If its a good enough policy for mexican and central american countries’ citizens then its a good enough policy for American citizens. They have no right to flee their own collapsing country into Europe, bringing their failed philosophies and neglected personal health with them. Doubly so if they are poorly educated. Many of them are probably servants of Putin and his terrorism, thus terrorists themselves.
Lets try that one on for size. Doesnt feel very good does it, my fellow Americans.
I think most americans simply feel like they are losing stuff theyve had for a long time, never considering whether they should have had it to begin with.
US failed to stop the Russian advancement in Ukraine. So the US is backtracking from the war, in hopes of salvaging it’s relationship with Russia, to prevent another Cold War with Russia + China.
Time for Europe to man up and show the middle finger.
As an American I am begging Europe not to give in to appeasement. Traitorapist Trump is a huge liar and buffoon. You have to stand up to Trump or he will keep abusing you over and over. Europe + Ukraine is way more powerful than Russia is anyway. Also, we need a big shock to the system to take our country back from Putin’s stooge.
