Let us not forget: it was the Democrat Party that once supported the formation of the KKK, pushed Jim Crow laws, and defended slavery
They like to conveniently forget that the parties had a flip. So yes, while the democrats IN NAME pushed all that abhorrent ideals, those democrats are the Republicans today.
Who cares about any of that.
Just ask who do the KKK vote for now
Obama? Harris? Clinton? Biden?
Trump, Trump, Jill Stein (David Duke doesnt like Israel)
And as I like to say, we used to prescribe cigarettes for asthma. The times will change.
The alr right shows have claimed to debunk that myth and that the Dems are the true racists. It’s like gas lighting for the centrists/right-wing.
Well, Newsweek is out as news. They should have followed up with factual history about how these parties switched. (Where are the whigs in all this???)
America always being 2 party, in my own hindsight, should have been suspect. The world is not binary.
Not that I had control of when or where I was born.
America has always been two-party (that’s the inevitable game-theory result of how our elections are designed), but it hasn’t always been the same two parties. When the Whigs were a thing, the Republican Party didn’t exist yet.
They also realigned three or four times without changing names.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States
That was such a disingenuous comment. Literally relying on the peoples lack of history knowledge to distort the truth. It’s fucking doublespeak.
Don’t lie to my face and tell me I like it.
During the last election, billboards had signs up in my area saying exactly that: Republicans ended slavery blah blah blah. They just bank on the wide populace to not know the history of the parties.
Wish more people realized this. They actually still think they are the party of Lincoln.
We think that because the Republican party has been made up of minorities for years now. I find it funny how you call Republicans racist, when a large majority of us are minorities ourselves.
Minorities can still be racist. It’s not just white people who are racists.
Having a tiny percentage of voters not being white Christians doesn’t mean the Republican party is “made up of” minorities.
We call Republicans racist because they are. This administration has gone out of its way to erase any traces of history that even mentions people of another race.
For example, there’s only one reason to delete any references to the windtalkers, who played a pivotal role in the war, from federal WW2 sources. That’s racism.
They conveniently deny that fact
While that is the pop culture explanation it isn’t quite right. In order for the parties to have flipped. The rural xenophobic bigots would have had to go to the Republican party. And the Republicans fascists would have had to have gone to the Democratic party.
The KKK and the bigots switched. The parties didn’t really. The true irony being the KKK and Southern bigots were the huge influence on European fascists. But in the United States they were technically opposed simply because they had traditionally been in different political parties. But civil rights legislation brought about a realignment. Our ignorant xenophobic bigots and our fascist suddenly found themselves Brothers in Arms.
The party’s polarized along the xenophobia and bigotry lines. But they didn’t really switch.
Only one party is enacting fascism here and it’s not the Democrats. Such delusion.
I didn’t say otherwise. I literally implied that the xenophobic bigots and the fascists all joined together in the Republican Party. You need to work on reading comprehension I think.
The rural xenophobic bigots would have had to go to the Republican party.
That did happen
And the Republicans fascists would have had to have gone to the Democratic party.
This did not. So where did you say the opposite of what this means?
Yes the whole point of that statement was pointing out that the latter didn’t happen. It was a rhetorical statement. The framing before that statement made it quite obvious. Stating that in order for the parties to have switched. The fascists would have to leave the Republican party. Which anyone who is informed knows did not happen. You are agreeing with me while attacking me.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about
Okay, but millions and millions of blacks, Asians, Latinos, Mexicans… etc… are republicans… are they racist?
Ignorant and have been lied to. Rememeber the 30,000 confirmed lies in his first term? Also many many minorities have already come out saying they regret their vote.
I was in a Portal, Arizona recently, which is a pretty rural area. On the radio a public service type advertisement came on explaining your rights if you get arrested by or encounter ICE. It felt like something from a movie.
They should broadcast in Spanish and Ukrainian too.
Whoever did it, no they didn’t, we were playing CIV 5 together at that time
Whoever did it should also immediately dispose of their ICE=KKK stencil and realize that a using a stencil is a really stupid way to get caught.
I’d like to think it was in the fire
Clearly a false flag attack based on that spray paint alone.
Why would you bother burning the GOP HQ because of ICE? Not that I would condone it, but I’d probably write something like, “When fascism comes to America, it will be carrying a cross and wrapped in a flag”. Plus, ICE is operating more the the SS than the KKK. SS was a legal government organization that systematically persecuted the state’s enemies using brutal tactics and complete disregard of human rights to get results. KKK is just a bunch racist beerbellied ‘good ol boys’ who are worried that black men are going woo all their eligible sisters. Anyone actually frustrated enough with the situation to set fire to a building wouldn’t spray paint such a silly miscomparison.
Why would using one be an issue though? If the stencil is disposed afterwards, I don’t see an issue.
That’s a crime in and of itself. Who even plays Civ 5??
Innocent people. Completely innocent people play Civ 5.
Gandhi has entered the chat.
Huh?
6 has too many DLCs for my taste and 4 just kinda feels outdated with tetragons for tiles. I won’t buy 7 unless the Steam reviews greatly improve with updates. It sounds unfinished, and probably you’ll have to pay hundreds to get all the DLC to finish it. I MIGHT pirate it to check it out down the line.
It was a joke
I mean usually there’s a reasoning behind jokes, I was wondering what that would be.
Just a joke bcz Civ 7 just came out, and people are going back to Civ 6 bcz of the stability issues.
Fair enough. I just hit install on Civ 6 on Steam too. May my ADHD show me mercy.
7 has Denuvo. That alone should be enough to keep anyone from touching it, imo
Honestly not the best alibi, seeing that it’s completely plausible to go out and commit arson in the time it takes between late game Civ turns.
what do you call a nazi hq set on fire?
a good start.
they’ve already taken over. this is retaliatory, and therefore not analogous.
Hitler was chancellor already when the reichstag fire started. What it did was allow him to seize absolute control. We’re not there yet. Courts are still ruling against trump. Elections haven’t been cancelled yet. It’s a mistake to assume things are already as extreme as they’re going to get.
they’re currently disappearing people for looking funny and sending them to blacksites to be abused and tortured just for the sake of it, and they’re not obeying court orders. they also have already had the Supreme Court give them a get out of jail free card for literally anything the president may do. they’re decimating the institutions on the demands of an unelected, unofficially acting billionaire. they’re literally erasing women and black people as well as other minorities from history.
I think it’s a bigger mistake to pretend they still have ways to go. this is through and through fascism. at this point, if they fire up the ovens, it will only be the continuation of their current actions, barely an escalation.
I think it’s an even bigger mistake to think that starting a fire in a single state’s party HQ is going to move the needle at all. It’s not going to hurt them. It is going to give them ammo. Go big or go home.
who said anything about single
i think you missed or forgot the point of the joke in the original comment
Wasn’t the fire that started everything done by the Nazis? It’s not like we can stop them from framing us.
Which is why this stinks to high heaven of a false flag attack.
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Ah you’re right we should appease them instead, if we just be nice they’ll stop deporting people
Perhaps instead of saying stupid things on the internet you could spend some time reading up on WW2 history
Perhaps instead of being a big meanie pants you could look outside and realise that just because they’re also nazis it doesn’t mean everything has to happen 100% word-for-word the exact same way like some kind of shitty sci-fi movie. I get that the symbolism is compelling and everything. But nevertheless burning down nazi buildings is good, actually.
You’re both right, and you both got my upvotes.
The current administration will absolutely use any unrest it can to solidify its grip, and they are, as @the_crotch@sh.it.just.works mentions, looking for just such an event to declare martial law.
But @pourous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml is also correct in understanding that this process has already begun, and that retaliatory actions are not specifically analogous, especially as it’s very likely that the Reichstag fire was a false flag event engineered by the Nazis themselves as an excuse for Kristallnacht.
Will this kind of event help in the long term? I’m uncertain. On the one hand, it’s really good to see resistance take physical form with the potential to inspire further action, but on the other, it means that the right can use it as an excuse to further oppress. Since the mass media has been captured by the right, it’s most likely that the perception of this event will be tailored to reflect the latter.
So, unless this action created an impact on the GOP beyond simple property damage (like destroying lists of political opponents they’re looking to deport), I think this action will likely backfire per @the_crotch’s conclusion. However, that could be offset by the publicity inspiring further resistance on the left. And @pourous_grey_matter is very correct in understanding that we have a very small window of opportunity to act.
So kiss and make up - you’re on the same side, and celebrate the fact that you can argue about tactics publicly.
We may not have that option for much longer.
I like you
Well said. We need to unite to counter this stuff. The right is definitely united. Fascism is very attractive to the average voter.
History doesn’t exactly repeat. It sometimes rhymes. Just because it happened one way doesn’t mean it’ll go the exact same way again.
I agree. I also don’t see any way in which burning down a small GOP office helps anyone but trump.
Maybe you’re just a coward.
I, uhh, was being sarcastic. It is in fact allowed to do that on the internet, even if you don’t actively announce it. But I definitely am a coward though.
Oh brother… here we go… I remember hearing all this Hitler bullshit during Trump’s first term…
Yes, and rightfully so.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-law-trump-hitler-00132427
Will be interesting to see how they handle whoever did this considering the guy who shot up the democratic offices in az and had 100000 rounds a machine gun and a grenade launcher got out on bond to await trial… I have my doubts they will be treated similarly
My first thought was a false flag operation to make the Left look like terrorists.
Alex Jones has basically been “something is going to happen, and the left is either going to do something or false flag to try to blame us” over and over and over again since the inauguration. Pretty graphic depictions of the kinds of violent deaths he wishes for migrants to experience.
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That’s ridiculous!!
ICE is clearly the American Gestapo.
You know what they say, one man’s ICE is another man’s KKK is another man’s Gestapo is another man’s Republican. Hard to tell them apart, really.
The Great Filter is not climate or pestilence or asteroids, it’s authoritarians.
That’s Gazpacho!
Hey, this soup is cold. Take it back and warm it up, immediately!
I love republican party HQ’s they so flammable and quirky <3
Get fucked Nazis. What goes around comes around. This shit will only get worse.
GOP = Nazis
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what about this is violent or democrats?
Show your work.
Local Nazi HQ happened to be set on fire. Anyway have a good week.
Oh brother… here we go. with the Nazi word… AGAIN.
Yeah, The shoe fits or you must be a fan of Roman salutes and no due process as well.
The Republican Party is the Nazi party in America.
Stupid. I’m Mexican, my family and I are Nazis because we have conservative views? Lol… now you know why your side lost.
What is stupid is voting for a human piece of shit like Donald Trump. When your family members are picked up and sent to an El Salvador prison for no reason get back to me on your decision to vote for that fucking Nazi.
This is clearly insurance fraud. We all know the GOP are nazis.
Thoughts and Prayers, etc.
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Congrats on being a mexican nazi.
“Surely the leopards will not eat MY face!”
Conservatives always think they’re the exception to every rule and that they’re the arbiters of normality.
Its a kind of mental gymnastics I’ll never understand and it makes them immeasurably weird (in a bad way).
While I don’t agree with your vote, I hope you and your whole family don’t get arrested by ICE. That said, how in the world could you support trump?
That’s funny, because I hope he and his family DO get arrested and deported. FAFO
Bait used to be believable.
maybe not a Nazi, but definitely simple minded. the world isn’t such a binary. be careful around ICE, being a Mexican - or go see for yourself how they treat you, since they’re just “doing their job”
Most Nazis were dupes. Many Nazis were kind and sweet in person, I’m sure. The problem is they also whole heartedly supported a genocidal psychopath with a death wish and could not distinguish lies from truth if their lives depended on it, which it did.
Finally lighting fire to the right things…
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Oh thats right, only the GOP can ignore civility and the law.
Nah, the vandalism isn’t coming from them. They’re way too conservative for that.
He’s Canadian.
That’s different, you know.
Probably just God making it spontaneously combust.
Buildings have ways to stop from catching fire if it really doesn’t want to be burnt down.
Is this the rap analogy? Nice.
