lol i’m considering a move to Tijuana so i can commute to San Diego… if California can nix the chicken tax then i’m moving.
Maybe Cali could make an agreement to join Canada or EU.
You’ll need easy access to Canada. What better way than to have a close Canadian Province? - Wa state
cExit?
It’s really not legally possible, meaning your either having a revolution, a civil war, or the USA has no ability to stop you as it’s effectively over.
Unless CA has military bases that would fully side with them, as in all the ones in CA and they would need other states, THEN a war could be possible, but that is very unlikely, currently there’s no military that could beat the US military, so it’s not even worth going over unless the US dissolves.
The civil war only happens if the U.S. attacks after a secession, but the state that single most funds the U.S. military is California, if you include Washington and Oregon in the secession you now end up with 19ish% of the countries budget and a sizable percentage of the military bases. With the American civil war there was somewhat defined lines of north vs south but this would be fights inside their own states.
And the sentiment of half the East Coast (the one that matters) would be sympathetic to the secessionists
Funnily enough, there’s actually hostoric precedent for trying. Emphasis on trying.
Well, they could make a deal to buy at a price adjusted for tariffs so it’s a lower price then compensate for that with lower prices on CA exports you don’t actually need to stop tariffs legally, they can be worked around the trick is trading something back that makes up the difference and costs less than the tariff to give.
How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?
You need to amend the constitution which requires 38 states to agree to it that considering how many right wing states hate California doesn’t sound impossible
That’s what the Civil War was about, there is no legal way to exit were one nation period end of story millions of dead soldiers proved it.
If a state tried to leave they would have to prove they could no matter the laws. It would be war. No ifs ands or buts. That means having a military that could take out the US military. Currently the top Airforce in the world is the US Airforce, the second largest Airforce is the US Navy, then it’s Russia, then it’s the US Army. Unless you can somehow convince the military to side with you when you leave, it’s not going to happen. I would imagine if you tried to claim it legally the best you could hope for is Federal agents walking in the second said state gov claims independence, and idk arresting the heads of state for treason, and telling said state to elect a new gov.
But what is the US military going to do? go to a state that wants to secede and just kill everyone in it??
The best way would be quiet quitting. Making routes to federal buildings surrounded by construction and road closures at odd times. Overlapping federal job descriptions internally and never communicating with federal equivalents unless required, and that with a “great email, still working on that!” Or “emailed Oregon about that and they had some great ideas, get with them for the data!”
Offering great state guard contracts to all military eligible to re-up, that exceed what the feds offer. Build out coastal protection fleet due to “them darn migrants.” Train your military in FPV as if you were what the US should be doing right now, so the feds know any pushback will be costly, and you’re not breaking any laws anyway, remember?
Tell your state and local police we don’t work with the FBI or IRS in cooperation any more, and let the populace know the feds must individually enforce all tax law. That’s where it’s good for the Feds to remember that’s not required, and the 4th amendment prevents them being forced to act… in fact, that makes them subject to arrest for trying due to the laws of the great state of california.
All legal, and petty. But legal.
this guy obstructs
That’s ingesting the ‘‘I’ll get right back to you’’ form of revolution sounds more plausible than anything else I’ve heard. Just slow walk it to death.
Looks like you’ve been thinking of this… for a while already.
Only in minecraft.
The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go “you can’t secede, that’s completely illegal and unconstitutional” (it is), at which point the state would either go “oh well” and stand down or say “go suck eggs” and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.
So, easy then! We know insurrections aren’t a big deal and have no real consequences. Full steam ahead!
/s just in case
The FBI is going to pull a Sea Bear attack on you but wait you used “/s” so you’re good to go. LOL
Even if the federal government says “okay”. They may actually turn around and pretend it never happened… or they can start a war with them.
I don’t think the GOP would start a war just to start a war. They are a party grounded in principles and morals, and aren’t petty little bitches.
/s
Legally, a state can’t secede really, but the other states could agree to let it go. It would require a Constitutional Convention, which would require 2/3 of states to agree to let it go.
Ah yes. “legally”.
Yeah I think the US is far beyond caring what’s legal or not.
There is no process. States cannot just up and say “see ya” on their own, we fought a war over that.
If the people felt that it would be OK for a state to leave, the proper thing to do would be to pass an amendment stating a process, and then the state would do it. There would be a lot of details to hammer out: does the State get to keep Federal property (like military bases)? Does it inherit a share of the deficit? What happens to deferred US taxes on things like 401k accounts?
IMHO it would take so long to hammer that stuff out that it’s basically impossible.
“But it’s not legal!”
Have you learned nothing the past three months? Laws are what we make of them.
A state seceding is a simple process:
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The state passes an act to allow it.
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The sitting president endorses the idea and agrees to let them go peacefully.
That’s it. The United States Constitution itself was illegally written, an exercise in simple willful power. State secession works the same way.
Part 2 is the hard part though
Meh. If everyone in California pitched in $1 and we straight up bribed him $35 million, I’m pretty sure he’d go off screaming about what a great idea it is and MAGA would eat it up.
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In short: War. I’m not being hyperbolic either.
There is a historical example, but given the outcome, I don’t think it would be a good idea to follow that blueprint.
As i read this, i am remembered of Newsom meeting Trump, after he refused to help with Californian wildfires.
Why they all leaning forward except Newsom? lol
Fake news. Some journo hack used photoshop. Here’s the original, with Trup standing true and strong despite them all being on a hillside.
Skills mate, you got them. Nice one.
Cheers, fella! I’m AI1, me!
[1. AI: a two-letter abbreviation which commonly refers to Artificial Intelligence but which can also, although far less often, refer to Abject Imbecile.]
People misinterpret this image. Newsom isn’t point at Trump, he’s keeping the stack of people from falling over.
Smooth criminals?
Smoothbrain criminals. “America has been hit by…struck by a smoothbrain criminal!”
[Chorus]
America, are you okay? (I don’t know)
Will you tell us that you’re okay? (I don’t know)
There’s a felon at the window (I don’t know)
Then Trump struck you, a crescendo America? (I don’t know)
Trump came onto your apartment (I don’t know)
Left white stains on the carpet (I don’t know why, baby)
And then she ran into the bedroom (Help me)
She were struck down
It was your doom America (Dag gone it)
They’re clearly exiting the plane and trying to keep the line moving.
Would be fun to watch companies from other states bypass the tariffs by buying California products.
Then of course, Trump will propose tariffs on a State.
It would be hilarious if only red states had tariffs with the rest of the world.
All hail The New California Republic. But in all seriousness, it wouldn’t surprise me if the United States has a balkanization event happen in the near future.
I don’t get why Oregon and Washington haven’t jumped on that bandwagon. Imagine the entire west coast working together. All Western seaports.
There is a Cascadia Independence movement but it’s not widely talked about.
It’s also fairly right wing, last I looked into it.
It’s fairly widely known along the west coast. No one treats it like a serious movement, but like a “man, that would be nice” kind of thing.
The US does not need balkanization.
We have a single region that has been rebellious and trying to corrupt and destroy the rest of the union since the founding, because they cannot see any governmental or religious structure as legitimate unless it is founded on the principles of racism. This is their own words.
Lincoln was wrong to readmit the south, we should have let Sherman finish then build a wall around them, while letting any slaves who wanted to escape do so.
Either that or we need to restart reconstruction today with absolute brutality.
Before they committed treason against the US alone, this time they allied with Russia to bring us down.
I dont think the lines are the same anymore. Social media and 24/7 news has given people in plenty of northern regions the same viewpoints. A civil war would not be north vs. south. it would be neighbor vs neighbor
I always hear this.
I am brown and grew up in the Midwest.
Then my family moved to the south.
This is like comparing Canadians who care about hockey with the Khmer Rouge exterminating much of their population.
The south is just infinitely worse in literally every way.
there are a lot of nice people in the south. there are a lot of brown people in the south. you think everyone needs to suffer brutality for what the worst do?
It seems to be the norm that the many suffer for the actions of the few.
we can attack and punish each other as the few would like or work together. that requires us to acknowledge common humanity and rally together for our shared well-being.
You’re asking us to nourish monsters who have only ever shown brutal violent hate.
Go find a wild tiger and try to win them over with kindness and nurturing, see how well that works.
I’m sure a lot of people thought they could win the nazis over with kindness. Sure a lot of slaves hoped letting the rapes happen would somehow make them stop.
Some people just have darkness in their hearts, and society must be protected from them for everyone’s sake.
In the Midwest there are bad people too.
The difference?
In the Midwest when a racist is being a racist, people say shit, they stand up to them!
In the south the bystanders just laugh, at worst they laugh nervously.
Which is why it’s a vile and corrupt society.
Police yourself, or don’t be surprised to be judged as evil.
there are bad and good people everywhere. i do not endorse painting millions as deserving suffering; there’s plenty of that already.
ordinary americans can find their way out of this mess together or tear each other apart. which do you imagine suits those in power?
you are no longer here. stop trying to sow further hatred and division. i don’t want my children, my friends, my colleagues, my clients to suffer because they live on the wrong side of an arbitrary line.
BTW… The fact that you make it clear you don’t want to be caught up in this makes one thing ckear:
You know they are evil and violent, and you are terrified to face them because of this.
This is what neutral Germans must have felt as they watched jews get rounded up in camps.
You don’t understand that dealing with the monsters yourself is actually the better choice for everyone.
I’m sure there were a lot of poor Germans who didn’t deserve what they got.
But it doesn’t matter, that’s how it goes, if you can’t stop your neighbors from doing evil you suffer for that evil.
A table with 4 people where one is a nazi is a table with 4 nazis.
Your people are still trying to hurt everyone, and you’re not stopping them.
I fully expect to put a lot of effort to hurt your people in the near future in self-defense, because their history of monstrous evil and cruelty speaks for itself.
I’m no longer there because I had to escape the south, and I thank God every day that I could.
Then the filth chased me to the coasts and I had to escape to Europe.
I can’t escape earth. This far, no farther.
We have a single region that has been rebellious and trying to corrupt and destroy the rest of the union since the founding
Isn’t a ton of the current Trump administration rot coming from Silicon Valley?
Isn’t Silicon Valley in California?
Lincoln was wrong to readmit the south
The South was under the Reconstruction plan, complete with Marshall Law and Freedman’s Bureaus and all sorts of additional federal oversight, untilThe Compromise of 1877 gave Rutherford B. Hayes the presidency at the cost of his soul.
Lincoln didn’t simply readmit the South. He readmitted 9 million enslaved Americans as proper first class citizens. And the initial wave of democratization gave birth to a brief but generally optimistic egalitarian glimpse of a potential future.
Lincoln’s big mistake was not putting Smedly Butler into his VP seat. Letting the country revert to Andrew Johnson was the big blunder. One that Grant had to spend two terms mopping up.
But that’s all distant history. The modern fascist presidency is born out of Manhattan Island. The modern Texas/Florida/Ohio Axis of Evil is a product of Yale Business School. Stanford Alumni are fucking us up far more today than some Daughters of the Confederacy could have dreamed.
This isn’t a North/South problem. It’s a turf war between extractive industry and the professional class.
Yeah, because if there’s two things we know silicon valley loves it’s the core issues of the Trump administrafion:
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Immigration restrictions
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Tariffs
He was voted in purely about the south, who are not only fascists to the core (if what they consider to be Christo-fascists).
The thing is: their religion, the southern Baptist church, was founded because they wanted a religion whose core dogma was that slavery was a commandment from God. Hence their basing the Sbc around the curse of Ham justifying slavery. The nazis themselves based the Nuremberg Laws off Jim crow, only without the 1 drop rule.
This is 100% the south, the restriction of women’s rights, the anti-lgbt, racism, isolation ism.
They’ve been sold that Russia is their best ally because it is the last True (read: white) Christian Nation fighting against the atheist and Muslim hordes who have infested Europe.
Silicon valley doesn’t want any of this bullshit, they just want less regulation. This has been a nightmare for them, Europe is starting their own competitors and regulating the cloud providers.
Silicon valley is smart, this whole thing has the backwards inbred balls-over-brains energy of the south.
Show me one Manhattan anyone who thinks those tariffs are a good idea.
Super popular in the south though, finally those rich northerners will have to pay them to do the work, instead of buying stuff from the dirty Mexicans.
there’s two things we know silicon valley loves it’s the core issues of the Trump administrafion:
Immigration restrictionsTariffsGo pick up a copy of The Network State
Are you fucking insane?
The ceos of most tech companies are Asian!
Google, Microsoft, Nvidia.
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*Benjamin Butler
Ack, excuse me
It’s cool, I love Smedley as well, greatest Marine ever.
Reminds me of east and west germany, even still today, one side is poorer than the other, which fostered new radicalism.
And also where i live, Quebec, poorer rural regions control the elections.
Exactly, the difference is in east Germany after the war they mostly dealt with the nazis.
In the south they gave them a timeout for 10 years then let them take power again.
Lol no they didn’t deal with the nazis in East Germany. They were pretty quickly persecuted if they came out, but as long as they stayed quiet and clamied they wanted socialism, nothing happened to them.
And then after the fall of the east block, all of the nazis in eastern Germany no longer had to be quiet and there were also many nazis from the west who helped spread it even further while there was a power vacuum and nothing was done against it.
Well they were quiet for a while.
Damn, they’re coming back? And of course with Russian funding.
And so it moves closer to the handmaids tale every day
I lived in the south, if they could read they’d consider it a fantasy utopia.
While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon’s balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I’m okay with it.
The best I could tell from the article was that all he was doing was essentially lobbying foriegn countries to tailor their responses so that they hurt california less than other states. I can’t see any law blocking that. From what I could tell he wasn’t even offering anything real in exchange.
California produces 10% of American agricultural needs. If they secede it would be way worse on the economy than these tariffs.
I think if California were to secede, Oregon and Washington probably would too. A lot of blue states that border Canada would also probably Jump ship. New York and Michigan might secede too. Those 5 states make up almost 30% of America’s economy and are the center of very lucrative industries like the movie industry, automotive industry, electronics and software industries, the global financial industry. Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.
I’m genuinely curious on how realistic this is… I can’t imagine it’s a simple process, but like what would need to happen for California to become it’s own country?
To do so legally, Constitutional Convention. 2/3 of states would have to agree to let it go. And everyone would have to hammer out what happens to federal assets inside the state.
There is basically zero chance they successfully secede. There is however a slightly above zero chance they seriously try.
California trying to secede would be stupid enough to make Trump look like a top mensa candidate.
At the moment, California is taking signatures for studying a “CALexit” plan. It is about 500,000 signatures by July for a successful petition. After that, California starts to study the costs, opportunities, logistics, and other aspects of leaving the union.
depending on which produce item its significantly higher
You’re implying the constitution has any weight right now (it doesn’t)
I’d say fuckin do it
It depends on who’s breaking the law/constitution.
At this point it’s hardly the law and the constitution. These are just unpredictable whims of the people in power.
Texas couldn’t secede, probably because it’s a red state…how amazing would it be if California became it’s own country with actual progressive laws. I for one would allow it. Let them become Canada, Mexico or even it’s own. Do it Cali!
And it’s the same for the European union. European states can’t get trade agreements by themselves. So when you read “Italy is ready to talk with trump” is just sucking dick
Merkel had to explain that to Trump 11 times last time he was president. I bet he forgot it again.
Not really a matter of forgetting. Trump was a leading advocate for Brexit. He wants to see the EU dissolved.
Putin does anyway and thus so does Trump
More than those two, by a long shot. The AfD, the Le Penns, Reform UK, the list goes on.
Trump has got another great idea. A tax of 1.5 million dollars for each ship made in China that will dock at any American port, or 1 million if the ship is not made in china but the shipper fleet has a majority of Chinese ships.
So, off before they did like California, Panama, Louisiana, new York, those stops will increase the price of shipping by 4.5 million dollars.
Trump thinks that in this way, in a couple weeks, shipyards will reopen in the states and everyone will buy American ships. Because it takes a couple days to build an oil tanker
Result:
They’ll just unload the goods in Canada or Mexico then use trains/trucks. For oil and coal and wheat and other stuff that can’t be easily transported by land without ax existing infrastructure, that’s an additional 20% cost on top of tariffs. Inflation go go go
Yeah Trump wants the US to be a great shipbuilder again… but for that you need materials (steel), workers who want to do that sort of job( he’s deporting a lot of people) and skill to manufacture ships…
He thinks by taxing countries or companies, they will go to the US, but they won’t, and if they do it takes time and a lot of investment…
This is based on a quote “look at new opportunities to expand trade” and a tweet “California is here and ready to talk.” How definitive do those two things sound? How definitive does Newsweek’s title sound?
Newsweek is a gossip rag.
Newsweek is pretty close to a tabloid these days. They are a tad better than the NY Post, but not by much.
EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.
That’s not going to work in practice. The US economy is even more tangled under the hood than it is internationally.
Might as well say you’re taking a called shot on someone’s left ventrical, because you don’t want to hurt any other part of their body.
Source? (No doubt, just looking forward tobreading more)
Not sure what media you prefer, find a nice article here: https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=eu+targetting+red+states
I think that’s the nicest “LMGTFY” kind of response I’ve seen. Kudos to you, my friend.
Good. There is no point in being part of a government that doesn’t believe in governance. Here’s hoping that other Blue States join a compact with California.
I’m in a blue state, and I say, kick all the MAGA out first. Forget em!
Trump has been withholding fema money allocated to California. They are stealing disaster funds. He also wasted billions of gallons of water during the la , for a headline, pretending that he did something. Wasting that water when we have a wet/dry season is detrimental for farming. Destroying food supply/ water supply In reality that’s attrition and is an act of war, he is attacking Californians extra hard, but he also attacking all Americans.
Why does the bear have two heads?
That flag comes from a videogame series, called Fallout. The premise is that America or China began a nuclear war, with horrific results for the world as a whole. At least a couple hundred years later, the player is released from the confines of a fallout shelter. These vaults housed the remnants of humanity as we knew them, and they are now emerging to recolonize the earth.
Thing is, some critters had children, despite the excessive radiation. New California’s national animal, the bear, tends to have an extra pair of heads.
If the premise of the series interests you, I recommend New Vegas as your starting point. It has the most narrative strength in the series and is user friendly in comparison to the original games. Fallout 4 is approachable, but lost writing and player choice, unfortunately.
Actually no Yao Guai in game have two heads. Though it should be noted the only Yao Guai you run into when playing are balck bears, so possibly grizzly bears as depicted on the flag do get two heads.
I’m familiar with fallout, just haven’t played one. Tried, just couldn’t get into it.
Holy shit, my prediction model forecast this. 🍿 This is actually a major step toward derailing this coup.
Or starting a civil war.
If it ends with us cutting Trumpistan/the Neo-Confederacy off, I’m good. Just hope we have enough time to get decent people out of the Neo-Confederacy.
Here we go, dissolution of the U.S. is starting. It’s a slow roll, but i think that’s where we are headed
I would love to visit the country of California.
Well the south finally will get to leave the union and form florida-man-istan, jesus-wasteland-istan and all-hat-no-cattle-istan. Good luck to them. We should have a going away party before we put up a wall to keep them from trying to get back in.
Why not let them back in? There’s some good people in the red states; it’s a shame we can’t easily relocate all of them.
Nothing says a wall can’t have a door in it. If you want to come here, and aren’t a total douchebag, we can let you in. Maybe even let you stay if you want to. 🤣
I escaped the south, they need to as well.
The amount of absolute evil down there is unimaginable.
We need to build a wall.
…we’ll have to check their voting history first.
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.
The US has been there before with the Nullification Crisis of 1832. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_crisis?wprov=sfla1
I guess history really does rhyme.
Will it be California first? Or maybe Alaska? Hawaii? We know one’s gonna try and split, just not which.
Cheeto will ‘gift’ Russia Alaska for its help with Greenland
Sadly it’s a near inevitable outcome of an overly powerful Federal Government attempting to deal with a population this large. The more powerful the Federal Government gets the less able it is to balance the different desires of its citizens and the less popular it becomes.
The solution was to NOT have such a powerful Federal Government but we tossed that out the window around somewhere between 1900 and 1920. It may not happen now over this but the clock is ticking and it’s going to happen at some point over something.
It will be terrifying and terrible when it happens.
A lot of this could be fixed by reforming the senate which is a big part of why that will never happen.
Agreed the problem was baked in during the Ohio Compromise and at other times, it has nothing to do with population size because we’re talking about a small number of elites, not popular will.
Unfortunately, we keep giving a small amount of people a lot of power. The cons have way too much representation in relation to their numbers. The other huge problem is that we have a system of legalized bribery, which is just insanity.
If Texas somehow joins California, were fucked
I think it would be much more likely for the west coast as a whole to split. WA, OR, CA
I could also see Nevada, Arizona, and maybe even Idaho joining. Though Idaho would probably need to have it pointed out that they’re fucked without the other western states.
Suck it, Manifest Destiny!
Texas? Unlikely
I think that’s a reference to the Civil War movie a while back.
We’ve been heading there for a long time and much of the rest of the world has been feeding into the two-sides divide. It’s easier to see when you already loathe both sides for different reasons. But the US has been a powerhouse many would love to see taken down. Generations of work towards that are paying off, and the US working class will suffer the most.
