The commander of the base wrote, “I do not presume to understand current politics, but what I do know is the concerns of the US administration discussed by Vice-President Vance on Friday are not reflective of Pituffik Space Base.” in an email and was thus dismissed. In dismissing her, the Pentagon stated this reason. “Actions [that] undermine the chain of command or to subvert President [Donald] Trump’s agenda will not be tolerated at the Department of Defense.”
JD Vance exudes weakness.
The patron saint of yes-men.
Who’s the snowflake now?
I mean, if you’re the Vice President, it’s kind of hard to put much pressure on the President. The Vice President has virtually no power or formal responsibilities other than what the President chooses to delegate to him. I mean, if he annoys the President, the President can very readily leave him with nothing other than a bit of prestige and a tie-breaking vote in the Senate.
Though the President can’t actually remove the Vice President, no matter how unhappy with him he is.
There’s supportive & then there is mewling sycophant.
Vance is the latter.
So what you’re saying is that he’s possibly the one person in the country that can tell the fascist fartknocker the truth and not be removed from office? Poor guy, I’m glad he’s doing the right thing instead.
Well, he might not be removed from office, but how much is holding the office actually worth if it has no political power?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nance_Garner
John Nance Garner III (November 22, 1868 – November 7, 1967), known among his contemporaries as “Cactus Jack”, was the 32nd vice president of the United States, serving from 1933 to 1941, under President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Like most vice presidents in this era, Garner had little to do and little influence on the president’s policies. He famously described the vice presidency as being “not worth a bucket of warm piss” (for many years, this quote was bowdlerized as “warm spit”).
This is America, there is a wage associated with the position, when paired with a lack of expectation that is pure opportunity, but I suspect you weren’t being as literal as all that. The position could be extremely valuable when the topic is broached, but it could also not be worth shit, there’s no way of knowing until the attempt is made. Vance is less of a person and a politician for not trying.
/IMHO
Alternatively, the President can’t actually remove the Vice President, no matter how unhappy with him he is.
He can be impeached, especially with a house that is under the president’s thumb.
It does create an odd situation in the senate about voting him out. I think dems would refuse a farce impeachment, even against the opposing party, but either way its a win for them.
It does create an odd situation in the senate about voting him out.
Sounds like there’s a bunch of unresolved constitutional law questions there too. There’s apparently a literalist reading of the Constitution that the Vice President should preside over his own impeachment trial. Normally, the Vice President presides over the Senate. The Constitution explicitly says says that the Chief Justice rather than the Vice President presides if the President is being tried; but has no special exception in the text for if the Vice President himself is being impeached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States
In their capacity as president of the Senate, the vice president may preside over most impeachment trials of federal officers, although the Constitution does not specifically require it. However, whenever the president of the United States is on trial, the Constitution requires that the chief justice of the United States must preside. This stipulation was designed to avoid the possible conflict of interest in having the vice president preside over the trial for the removal of the one official standing between them and the presidency.[49] In contrast, the Constitution is silent about which federal official would preside were the vice president on trial by the Senate.[13][50] No vice president has ever been impeached, thus leaving it unclear whether an impeached vice president could, as president of the Senate, preside at their own impeachment trial.
Then the process involves a vote in the Senate. On two occasions in the past, the Senate has in fact tied:
https://theconversation.com/the-senate-has-actually-tied-in-an-impeachment-trial-twice-130939
The Senate has actually tied in an impeachment trial – twice
The Vice President…holds a tie-breaking vote in the Senate.
https://www.legbranch.org/can-the-vice-president-vote-in-a-presidential-impeachment-trial/
In other words, the Constitution designates the Vice President the President of the Senate and gives the Vice President the power to cast tie-breaking votes. Yet the Constitution only designates the Chief Justice the presiding officer in presidential impeachment trials. The Constitution does not designate the Chief Justice the President of the Senate, nor does it give the Chief Justice the power to cast tie-breaking votes. This suggests that the Vice President retains the power to cast tie-breaking votes in presidential impeachment trials.
For bonus points, Vance is a lawyer, and I suppose could represent himself as well.
Anti-Vance Senator: “And, Mr. President, was that the point where the Vice President committed the treasonous crime requiring his impeachment and removal from office?”
Trump: “Yes, and…”
Vance (acting as Vance’s attorney): “Objection!”
Vance (acting as presiding officer over Vance’s trial): “Sustained. The court orders the statement to be stricken from the record and, further, observes that the witness is a whiny bitch.”
Vance (acting as holder of tie-breaking Senate vote): “Given that there seems to be a lack of evidence, I’m just going to come out right now and say that I don’t think that I can vote against the defendant.”
Vance (acting as defendant): “Woohoo! Score!”
EDIT: I don’t actually know whether the presiding officer when the Senate is acting as a court uses regular judicial procedure — could probably go dig up transcripts of past impeachments to find out — so the above phrasing may not be correct, but it’s still a pretty zany hypothetical.
EDIT2:
Trump: “This trial is a farce!”
Vance (acting as presiding officer over Vance’s trial): begins slamming Senate gavel “Order! Order! The witness will be silent!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_the_United_States_Senate
The gavel deteriorated during the 1940s, and in 1952 silver pieces were attached to try to limit further damage. However, in 1954, Then-Vice President Richard Nixon pounded it during a heated debate over atomic energy, and it completely came apart. Officials wanted to recreate the gavel exactly, but not enough ivory was available commercially; Senate officials therefore contacted the government of India for help in sourcing the correct amount of ivory. On November 17, 1954, the Vice-President of India, Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, presented the assembled Senate with a replacement gavel, which is still in use today.
Senate gavel comes apart again
Vance (acting as presiding officer over Vance’s trial): “Damn. Finding more elephants these days is going to be a pain.”
Trump: “I’ll say whatever I feel like!”
Vance (acting as presiding officer over Vance’s trial): “The sergeant at arms will remove the unruly witness!”
Jennifer Hemmingway: “Let’s go, Mr. President.”
Only thing good about these traitors is I’ll have something to celebrate in the future.
undermining
Prior to the base commander commenting and destroying his effort, Vance was on totally firm ground and had pretty much convinced the entire population of Greenland.
lol
As firm as a used sofa bed maybe
Stop it, I’m plushing
Hey man, we gotta stop shaming heterosectionals, it’s not very nice
Come on, it’s more pushin’ for the cushion!
Wow that is an absolutely fascinating fanfic they’ve come up with
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they are a woman.
Pshaw! What’s a woman doing in space? Get rid of her! Also, let’s get rid of those Sigourney Weaver DEI alien movies from the Library of Congress as well!
They let women IN the library?
Well, someone has to vaccuum.
Thank you! Finally someone who’s actually talking sense for once.
She is a patriot. Col Susannah Meyers deserves a medal, and I’m sure she would do 10,000x better as VP than the jerk we have now.
Vance seems smart, and obviously he married outside his “race” so somewhat open-minded. Which means he is acting out of pure conscienceless ambition. IMO worse than Trump, who is an evil idiot.
Maybe he married outside of his race because she’s a hot piece of ass and out of his league and he didn’t put much more consideration into it than that?
If he was actually bothered by race Vance wouldn’t find her attractive.
he even has a degree in philosophy…
and trump isn’t an idiot, he just plays the idiot so idiots will vote for him… just like george dubya bush…
i mean, he’s not very smart or as smart as he thinks he is, but he’s not as stupid as he seemsThe way he talks, looks, acts. I’m pretty sure he’s an idiot.
Dementia
Yeah gotta disagree with you there. Trump is senile and baseline average at best.
Maybe that claim would hold water if there was any evidence at all that Trump wasn’t a brain damaged idiot spiraling into senility. It stops being pretending when every single appearance, every interview, every second of contact, every policy enacted, every opinion presented, and every decision made are all exactly what a complete idiot would do. He’s not playing 4D Chess, he doesn’t have some secret master plan, he’s a pants shitting moron who’s hateful rhetoric and willingness to punch down appealed to the low end of the bell curve and got them excited enough to vote.
Replacing base commanders is very indicative of a potential military coup
May you live in interesting times
Too fucking interesting if you ask me
That’s the jööööke.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times
I knööööw
x squeeze me rudeeee :)
Another scapegoat in an otherwise ill conceived plan.
Plan?
Concepts of one.
The plan is daddy put put wants greenland
project 2025. 180 day plan to turn america into a complete shithole.
In the same way me shouting “lets fucking go!” right before giving myself what will be a new scar is a plan.
Loyalty to trump takes precedence to the truth.
Fragile Egos running the military great. Thousands may die but JD vance’s feelings shall be protected at any cost. The party of “fuck your feelings” everyone.
can’t Greenland ask to evacuate that American base? its clear the US won’t try to help Greenland without having them paying a hefty price anyway
I think the base is more for US benefit than Greenland.
Right but its their country so they should be able to clear the base if they desire
Say it to Cubans.
Ideally, yes, but I’m not sure what type of agreement they have in place. It can give US a reason to invade. Trump is probably looking for a reason to justify invasion.
He might create one actually anyway, Like WMDs in Iraq or Putin version, nazis in Ukraine or NATO expansion in Ukraine.
One of the main real reasons Crimea in Ukraine was invaded was due to access to Sevastopol port.
Greenland is part of Denmark and Denmark is part of NATO. If Trump invades Greenland that would be next level stupid
Yeah, but if Denmark just allows the base to stay open as it is, they risk a Crimea scenario where Russia basically opened the gates of their Sevastopol base and took over the whole Peninsula before anyone could do anything about it.
Denmark is as we speak working on getting American bases on Danish soil, sorry to say. So no, that base is not going anywhere.
Yeah I don’t think it works that way.
Have you heard of native Americans? Greenlandians might be about to become them.
The base is US soil. These things are far more complicated than you think, and more than I can type this early in the morning. But they’re basically heavily armed embassies.
The base is treated as US soil while the status of forces agreement is in effect and US personnel are there. It doesn’t belong to the US in perpetuity.
Correct.
Like an embassy
JD Vance is the biggest fucking pussy I have ever seen
He has neither the depth nor the warmth.
His loveseat does, though.
Correction, the biggest pussy you’ve seen so far I this pitiful Administration.
https://youtu.be/Z7XRX1UBooQ?list=PLlwzDYw6zp2D6DxLR8zGz1i_7764DYSVQ
Old BBC series, ‘I, Claudius.’ History of the first five Roman Emperors, with Brian Blessed as Augustus and Patrick Stewart as an ambitious general.
Relevant because of Caligula. He didn’t fall because he was a violent tyrant. He fell because he lost the support of the military.
Hopefully, Trump will miss that idea…
Hey, thanks. I’ve gotta give that a watch.
It’s a really amazing show. Zero budget, but they make you think you’re watching a spectacle.
Great podcast where they go through the series, and interview some of the actors—Patrick Stewart and Patricia Quinn are definitely in there. https://maximumfun.org/podcasts/i-podius/
I had no idea who Patrica Quinn was. Turns out she was in two of my favorite things. Thanks for the information
And he lost political support. He was attacking the senate.
In România the military turned on Nicolae Ceaușescu and his security forces.
Because a military operated solely by loyal incompetents has worked out so well for Russia.
Did she say thank you?
Not enough!
View 1: you should follow chain of command as a unified command is necessary for military operations. Any personnel going against the direction is counted as rogue. (benefits military)
View 2: Public Relations of the country you are in requires the ability to deescalate situations and unwind tension, thereby requiring the communication of separation. (benefits local units and local community)
View 3: moral obligations of one’s self pushes you to do the right thing. (benefits self and possibly local unit)
In my opinion, I believe this was an action of view 2 and also happened to include view 3. But that’s just like… My opinion.
It’s literally against the UCMJ to take part in political action as a uniformed member of the military. To me it sounds like she was trying to “cya” and of course, this administration has such thin skin that they couldn’t have someone do that.
Fragging is gonna make a comeback in a time of “peace.”
If the snowflake starts to melt his mascara might run.
