What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.
Sounds an awful lot like kidnapping. So then the question becomes: why didn’t the court officers or local police arrest the so-called “ICE agents”? Up to and including firing on the assailants, if necessary? Because if you don’t show your badge, and you can’t back it up, you are not who you say you are. And that becomes broad-ass daylight kidnapping. And the actual uniformed officers did nothing (I know why they did nothing - the call is coming from inside the house).
Well maybe we can use this and go get Lugi. Just claim to be ICE and maybe the courts let us get him, thinking we going deport him to El Salvador.
Hey, if it’s stupid but it works, it’s not that stupid.
did people not remember trump had the same nameless goons in his first admin when kindapping people.
Sure, but this is frankly another level. Snatching protesters off the street is fucked, for sure. Snatching people out of a courthouse, while they’re engaged with the legal system, out from under the noses of judges, attorneys, and court officers is absolutely another fucking level.
Let’s assume for a moment that the abducters here were federal agents.
How long before people get the bright idea that they can pull a stunt like this without being federal agents? Has that already happened?
I suppose the scenario I was really thinking of is one where someone is literally abducted by adults, and not just fucking idiot kids playing fuck around.
Which has happened in the article posted here, we’re just taking them on their word that they’re actually federal agents.
Yeah, this was the part that really got me:
“Show us a warrant,” the video shows one of the two women demanding as they attempt to get between the detainers and the detainee.
“Do not touch me or impede me in my lawful duties,” the man in the pink shirt responds. “We are officers from Homeland Security.”
That’s a real bully-logic move right there. How are we supposed to know that these are your lawful duties if you’re refusing to show us your warrant or even your badge? Like, if she had blocked them at this point and the issue were brought to court (and yes, it’s ironic that this is happening in a court), then I can’t imagine a jury saying “well yeah, you can’t prevent a guy from abducting someone just because he won’t give you any indication other than a pinky swear that he has the legal authority to do it.” But, of course, the obvious implication in the moment was that since he was from the “abduct people in an unmarked van with unlimited authority” branch of the government, this wasn’t going to a jury trial, and she was either getting out of the way or she was going in the van too.
I dunno, man. It’s scary.
Florida Woman Posed as ICE Agent to Detain Ex-Boyfriend’s Wife: Police https://www.newsweek.com/florida-woman-latrance-battle-ice-agent-detain-ex-boyfriend-wife-2062962
That’s a scary read - if the assailant had cleaned up better and not stopped at an apartment complex, she could have gotten away with murder.
Florida woman
Yeah, that tracks.
Pretty sure some people showed up at San Francisco City Hall claiming to be with DOGE and demanding they be given access to personal files.
It was just some insane MAGA duds pretending to be with DOGE.
Especially with ICE going into schools and other previous safe zones now, think about how easy it would be for people to take advantage of these situations.
If a person is already willing to kidnap someone, do you really think they wouldn’t easily be willing to disguise their own identity, command authority and prey on people’s fears of retaliation for not complying?
(Warning: Instagram link) Here’s a video of an instance of this
Wow you really can’t tell the difference between officials and gangs of criminals these days.
Indeed, kidnapping is one of the things that drug cartels are known for. Now we have people claiming to be federal officers doing kidnapping? There needs to be a LOT of pushback over this, it’s crazy and ridiculous.
Federal agents have been in league with cartels before.
https://jacobin.com/2023/03/us-mexico-war-on-drugs-garcia-luna-calderon
By design. It reminds me of another article posted on Lemmy recently, that “tough on crime” jurisdictions are making it less safe to live in those jurisdictions.
“Is it worth the trouble to go to court?” Reppucci asked. “I think it’s going to make it much harder, inherently harder, and more likely that people will disregard lawfully issued subpoenas, both by the prosecution and by defense attorneys and by civil attorneys and, even perhaps, dare we say, in divorce cases or custody case hearings that people are going to evaluate whether or not it makes sense to follow lawful state orders.”
They’re the same picture.
The police have always just been the biggest gang
These gestapo need to be doxxed
You misspelled shot.
They don’t need to be mutually exclusive
I think this is one of those pearl clutching instances that won’t take kindly to that kind of language. You need to use the legal system to oppose the corrupt legal system, I guess.
Maybe, but writing mean articles about them isn’t going to stop them, and they have the support of the trump administration. The only thing that’s going to stop them is if they’re afraid they might not go home afterwards.
Obviously the next step for them will be gearing up like they’re going into combat, but that really starts making people pay attention to what’s going on
Oh, I fully support shooting nazis and their collaborators dead. I was taking a shot (pun intended) at the moderators who remove comments like “the guys running today’s concentration camps should be shot”
Then I guess these gestapo need to be legally shot, after a legal trial and sentencing to death.
(Stupid fucking mods.)
Having watched the video, that guy provided no evidence that this was anything other than a kidnapping. Shooting him in the face would be 100% self defense
What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.
Presumably, the courthouse is filled with cops and others with arrest authority, so why did they allow two men in plainclothes without badges or warrants leave with two people?
If the DOGE pirates had been gunned down in the first lobby the invaded, it would have ended there, or at least gone down a different path.
We should not be normalizing this behavior, and setting precedents. Without a badge, you will not be listened to, and you will leave the building immediately. Without a warrant, you will not be putting your hands on any person. If you attempt to bypass either requirement, you will be arrested. And if you attempt to do enforce your demands by force, you will be shot.
On the plus side, if anybody reading this ever has reason to think that they might need to go into a police station and remove someone being held there, apparently if you and a friend or two look sufficiently the part, you can just walk in, in plainclothes, and claim to be Homeland Security, and just… take a dude and leave.
I wish they did have the guts to shoot the DOGE team. Especially since the DOGE goons have literally dragged people out and probably physically assaulted others.
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When they are disappearing people with no due process, the only logical response is violence. Gtfo of here with that dumb shit.
I think I’m going to have to seriously think about packing heat on regular basis for the exact scenario the 2nd amendment was written to cover.
Not a bad idea, at this point. Just keep it at home, and only have it to defend yourself or others. It is always morally correct to stop a Gestapo agent through any means necessary.
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Ladies and gents. Someone with no critical thinking skills. Dumbass.
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It has nothing to do with “chosen” and everything to do with common sense. Wtf would YOU do if a couple of dudes came up to you neighbor, grabbed them and walked off with no explanation or identification? Just shrug, and go about your day? Because that’s what you’re insinuating with this idiotic line of reasoning you’re going down.
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I’ve been seeing “Americans are pussies for not rising up” and “you won’t vote yourselves out of this situation” on here for months… Which is it? Make up your fucking mind, internet.
It’s just the normal anti-American sentiment from fringe idiots around the globe. Anything that has to do with America or the people from there are bad, evil, and needs to be shunned and mocked. Don’t give this guy any weight as a popular opinion from the internet.
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If you didn’t notice, I’m of the same opinion on this point! Learn to read, please.
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I mean, isn’t this the exact scenario they wrote in the Second Amendment for? Can’t say this reaction is surprising given it’s at the roots of the country and extensively defended by the Founding Fathers
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Yeah, to some things they are
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No, they haven’t helped either.
If you actually read the second amendment, its whole purpose is to keep the government in check.
Yeah, funny how the boot lickers forget their whole wet dream of being the ones that rise up, means they need to rebel against the tyrant Trump and his dumbshit sycophants.
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That’s what we are fighting against, idiot.
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When you’re acting like an uneducated troglodyte, you will be treated as such. That’s not a uniquely American trait, but you’re welcome to continue wasting air trying to make that statement.
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perhaps you should actually read what he said there instead of jumping to insane conclusions
Imagine trusting the government this much
Whatever happened to the Fourth Amendment? If they’re not even bothering to uphold the Constitution in a courthouse you guys are well and truly fucked.
I’m pretty sure Homeland Security was created with the sole intent of subverting the constitution from it’s inception.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
The magical 100 mile “Nah constitution don’t really work here” zone that also, crazily enough, includes 2/3 of the population.
The constitution has not existed since 911. I am not sure why people still believe in it. Even Santa Claus is more plausible to exist.
well that’s a load of shit
Yeah, I don’t think it’s very likely that a mythical jolly man brings presents to kids worldwide
Brilliant rebuttal
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Is this exactly the kind of stuff 2A was supposed to have solved? What were the half a billion guns for?
A good portion of the 2A fetishists in this country love jackbooted authoritarianism as long as it’s aimed at the correct demographic.
They love the fantasy of being a plucky revolutionary, but in reality they are the ones helping the boot come down.
but we can change that any time. change the demographic by arming yourself and not being one of those people.
Way ahead of you there.
its called ammosexuals,people who fetishized and fantasize about a scenario where they shoot people, any excuse will do. i seen a video of a poc right winger, “climaxing” over the thought of shooting someone in an unlikely scenario.
Guns are for the tyranny of green energy and gay marriage. This is what they voted for.
Guns are for Drag Queen Story Hour and school schoolings
Important Note: For perpetuating school shootings, not stopping them. Absolutely not for stopping them. Unless we’re talking about the shooter taking themselves out when they’re done.
It’s horrifying to see so many incidents of kidnapping in courtrooms. I can’t imagine a more blatant and clear example of subversion of the legal judicial process.
There would be no reason to remove them from a courtroom if you believed the court would come to the same conclusions they have. So the logical explanation is that they know that what they’re doing is illegal and that these people they’re snatching haven’t actually done anything wrong. It’s shameful that we’ve allowed this to happen in our country and frankly, it’s embarrassing that this is what the once great USA has stooped to.
The authorities are assholes. They go for schools and churches and hospitals and courtrooms. They won’t bother with rape cases unless they’re an easy slam dunk. They hold grudges and weaponize their power over people they don’t like. They won’t target gang members when uneducated immigrants are so much easier.
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And yet suggesting that someone fight back makes you the bad guy.
The actual fucking motto of the US is not "land of the free, home of the brave.” That’s a song lyric. But keep confidently spouting your feelings as facts , it really helps you make your point.
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The knock-on effect of this now would discourage undocumented migrants even just trying to engage with the legal system, being a witness or even reporting on crimes. For people on the fringes of a society it could lead to even worse exploitation and marginalization
Working as intended
While we aren’t seeing it now, it will be a matter of time before those marginalized people start packing and start shooting. Especially when they realize it is a fate worse than death or even just death if they comply.
So three men just kidnapped a dude.
They need to be banned from doing this in plain clothes. At minumim. At best ICE needs to be abolished.
They need to be arrested as attempted kidnappers or shot if they don’t surrender. Then they need to be prosecuted as kidnappers.
Just figure out their names and living places. Once the shit is over, hunt them. All of them. And do whatever you like with them.
At best ICE and DHS officials should be tried in a Nuremberg style court.
First, this is straight up Nazi secret police stuff. Second how did the court know these guys weren’t confederates of the folks in court intending a jail break. Where the FUCK were the bailiffs in this unlawful seizure?
Probably people should just start doing just that since apparently it’s that easy, your friend accused of random offences? No problem just walk in and grab them.
Definitely not the sort of thing a fascist would do. Lefty liberals are Larping
Ludicrous.
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Questioning the security of the courthouse if you can just do that
I live here, and I actually called the Sheriff and yelled at her about this. She said these ICE Nazis showed her deputies ID and warrants, and that she couldn’t stop them from entering. She has met with the judges who actually have the power to determine who is allowed entry, asking if they want her office to stop feds in the future. They were still considering it as of yesterday.
It’s probably the gesta- I mean ICE
gICEstapo?
Babe wake up, new gender just dropped
