As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.
The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California’s university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.
In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.
“Maybe it’s time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump,” Newsom said.
Fucking do it. I’ll cum buckets.
I don’t think there’s really a way to do this, since federal taxes are paid directly to the fed without state involvement. This is just to poke the bear, which I am all for.
Companies, no. But the state employs a lot of people.
And county, and cities
Still, the feds will come after the individuals, not the state.
The hypothetical way to do it is severely penalize companies within California that pay federal tax. Make it so financially burdonsome they have to relocate or stop paying federal tax of their own accord. This is just what’s been suggested before when this has come up.
I’ve been thinking about this, and I’m afraid I agree. I’m not sure how you could enforce this. Paying federal tax seems like a personal choice and the consequences would be felt by individuals (tax evasion charges, unless trump manages to get it treated as a terrorist act). I’d be interested to see if the state was actually offering to shield CA citizens from being arrested by federal agents or subpoenaed by federal courts.
Also, for the most part the Fed already has our money, right? The majority of that federal tax is withheld from paychecks and goes directly to the Fed…
You can withhold paying your federal taxes from your paycheck. Most people don’t because they don’t want to get stuck with a big tax bill in April with no way to pay it if they spent that money or lost it on a bad investment. if enough people all did that at once, regardless of state, it could put a big financial burden on Trump. The government heavily relies on this steady source of income, and unless you make a lot of money, you are probably getting a federal return every year, which means you gave the U.S. Government an interest free loan of sorts.
You also get hit with an underpayment penalty if you do this and don’t pay estimated taxes too.
I thought you were going to talk about the physical improbability of cumming buckets.
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Be sure to hydrate if you do.
I don’t think I want a bucket coming out if that particular hole.
Prude.
Sounds painful.
It’ll be like a firehose connected to a main
Holy fucking shit. I’m amazed, I was just saying the other day that this would eventually get into this point. Didn’t think it’d be this week
Fascism only has one speed: Blitzkrieg.
Any other speed would be slow enough for people to have enough time to band together and organize a resistance to this horseshit.
That’s literally the only playbook. Break everything: Go fast. Hit people with so much horseshit they are still stuck trying to process the one from 2 weeks ago, because since then 5 other constitutional crisis’ have happened and now they’re deporting both of your neighbors.
That’s not really the case, though. This rise of fascism has been building for decades now. It’s been a slow, steady, drip drip drip. Perhaps not so noticeable except from the outside - Americans are embedded in a pervasive atmosphere of propaganda. The Republicans have been getting more and more authoritarian over the years, more and more extreme, and the Democrats have been letting them. It’s been more than four years since the last violent coup attempt, after all, and those were the same people behind this play.
It’s not progressing fast. You just haven’t noticed its progress until now, when it’s nearly done.
We’re not talking about the rise of fascism. It took decades for that to ferment in Germany and Italy as well.
We’re talking about when they seize power. Then they make their move.
We’re talking about the powergrab of fascists once they’ve laid the groundwork.
That’s the part they need to move lightning fast to achieve a result, before resistance can organize against them. That’s the part in history we’re at right now.
Tom8to, tom@to, IMO. The “groundwork-laying” is also a process of seizing power, there just aren’t quite so many guns going bang.
America has been fascist since the early 1910s, busting unions and putting capital first. Then Banana Republics were formed because democracy got in the way. And then half of Africa was invaded with American bases and money in an effort to bring the scattered oil fields under American corporate control. And India lost tens of thousands of lives to an American corporate disaster and no one could challenge the super military force guaranteeing popular democracy around the world (except where people actually heeled business interests).
America has been a fascist superpower for over a century. It’s professional name is neoliberalism.
More people really ought to read Against The Fascist Creep.
A better way to describe it is logistic growth. It reaches a certain tipping point, accelerates to the maximum rate, then slowly slowing down to some sort of equilibrium.
In a shocking twist rural Californian conservatives now want to pay federal taxes.
If blue states were to band together and do this, it would bankrupt Trump’s fascist federal government pretty quickly. Maybe a blue state Articles of Confederation is in order.
California, Oregon, and Washington are all donor states that contribute a combined ~$160 billion more to the federal government than they get back each year. They also make up $3.1 trillion of the GDP, they have all mainland west coast ports, and they’re major agricultural states. They’d honestly be better off if they banded together to Bugs Bunny off.
I would recommend getting armed if this were to happen…just in case.
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I’m not mad at this at all I’m thrilled a politician is actually fighting back. He has a history of standing up against trump and the gop status quo
That said this is the first time there is any bite to it and the cynic/realist in me is saying it’s cause he is gearing up for presidential nomination and election. I really hope he is not the Democrat choice.
if the good wife/fight taught me anything the democrats already have someone picked out and priming public for itI just wish we had Bernie i wanna see that timline :'(
I want the timeline where Carter won a second term and the Christian nationalists funding Reagan realized their plan didn’t work and give up on it.
Just reminded me of “Sliders”…
i want the timeline where harris won lol
Harris lost before she ran. Not that she was a strong candidate, but the Dems could have ran literal Jesus, Trump was going to come back either way as long as big money was in politics. Maybe if they ran someone who at least promised change, they could have staved off Trump for another 4 years. Would they have sentenced him in another 4 years? Would anyone been able to get people like Thiel and Musk out of politics?
This will get worse before it gets better. I just hope most of it stays contained in the US.
Trump’s health has been declining pretty rapidly, especially his mental health. I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t make it to the end of this term. And if he does I’m not sure he’d be mentally capable of running in 2028
And what precedent does it set for US civil society that he was allowed to get away with it? This shit is poison to a free civil society.
If history has taught me anything, the dems will run schumer.
No way, Amy Schumer?!!1?
But yeah history is better data than the good wife lol
What is a donor state?
Indeed, cbsnews. What is a “donor state”?
Maybe if you could use that term a few dozen more times, other outlets could pick it up and it would eventually back up into Fox News’ talking points where they’d have to either lie utterly, or risk their viewers’ comprehension that red states take money from blue states. Charity, let’s say. MAGA heads would temporarily be offline.
CA is the forth largest economy; it would destroy the red state fuckheads if they stopped paying federal taxes. The rest of us follow suit and we defund the motherfuckers stinking up the government.
If you are sending our military against OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE we should not be PAYING FOR IT. My taxes don’t go to that fascist bullshit
🖕🤬🖕 Fuck drumpf and every bootlicker that got him (probably illegally) elected
I’m not a fan of Newsom, but get it dude.
MOTHERFUCKING DO IT
Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.
Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.
I’ve been talking to alot of people about something like this. If CA didn’t pay federal tax, and all of it went to state, CA would make more money. Don’t want to incite insurrection…but I think we could do alright by ourselves if push came to shove.
As someone living in California, I could certainly use some more money… Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary. It’s very hard to make it here, but ultimately worth it. For me anyhow.
Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary
Look up “promissory estoppel.”
Holy shit this is immensely helpful for me right now, thank you so much. I actually have a meeting with the CEO this Friday about this while thing. I will be bringing this up. Thank you again, so much.
You may want to have a quick consult phone call with a labor lawyer before then. The company has an HR and legal team they’ve already consulted.
To add to that, just because they have legal council involved doesn’t mean that they’re not in the wrong and know it. You may just need to say the magic words to make them back down and a labor lawyer who understands your case will know what those words are.
You obviously may keep working there if it gets resolved to your satisfaction, so the support of a lawyer will help you play it cool while you negotiate. It’s easier to just be pissed if you know you’re being wronged but don’t have the language to clearly articulate how.
Yeah, but just wait for when King Trump makes California pay tariffs to trade with the remaining states! He’ll bleed CA dry!
Then CA negotiates trade deals with Asia and quits doing business with US altogether.
Don’t forget Canada. It would suck having to ship everything by boat to BC, but at least there wouldn’t be tarrifs anymore
Yeah he’d try, Smartiest Economier he is. interstate trade is generally critical, but a good chunk of agriculture in the U.S.A. is in CA (Powerd by water from the hoover, yes) throw in Silicon valley, Hollywood, and Napa, CA putting tarrifs on the U.S.A. would hurt too, maybe more.
The country will starve in a famine between that and climate change/mass extinction
I feel like the lady in Melancholia
CA doesn’t HAVE to export goods to anyone. you can deny sale to anyone.
I had the disolution of the US for 2035 with California being the first to leave… Fuckin speedrunners
accelerationism?
I don’t know how this would work, but do it.
I don’t expect Governor Greaseball to follow though, but I would wholeheartedly support this. And secession. I’d also support secession.
Iirc, California is like the 5th largest economy in the world. Secession sounds like a great way to crash the US economy.
The only reason some states aren’t considered third-world is because of the federal system, a fact they so often forget.
Like Vermont ranked at 147th as the lowest GDP state? Or Wyoming at 141?
That’s not compassion to talk about other states like they are mooching off of others but condescension, and we wonder why they are upset. Everybody benefits from the federal budget and the things that make us 3rd world like lack of healthcare and low pay is felt by all types of states.
You know what is wild?
The US is the largest economy on the world, and if you remove California from it at #4 the US moves to…
#1 still. Several states make up the top 25 list of GDPs and the total combined is absurd.The US is just massive in scale. It’s fully running the global empire still even if it’s waning. I do think losing California would be a massive hit for lots of reasons but just wild to think about.
GDP does not indicate how big an economy is, it measures how many dollars trade hands in it.
So there are two things about this:
One is that the reason the US GDP is so high is because of price and wage inflation in the service industry that makes up most of it. And I mean white-collar services like software devs, management consultants, doctors and lawyers and the like. It’s a lot of made up money that goes nowhere, you pay a US software engineer twice as much as someone in the EU just for them to have less disposable income PPP than someone in the EU as that extra money ends up with landlords, banks and insurance companies. It’s a shell game that boosts figures.
Two, that shell game is held up by everyone trusting the dollar. Trump is eroding that precise trust, and a Calexit would be another hit to that. Do you know how much the US owes? It doesn’t matter as long as the dollar is king, and I would not have bet against the dollar last year, but it seems like Trump is betting against it and winning. And when everyone is convinced Wall Street is not a safe haven for your money because Trump will just steal it, then that premium on the US GDP will just evaporate, along with a sizeable chunk of the world economy.
Here’s hoping the world lets the US down gently for its own sake.
Yes.
Seriously get paid double and actually have less than a worker in another country since we have to pay for each single piece of life separately at retail prices.
And 2… Yeesh yeah. Literally stocks just keep going up cause the value of the dollar is lowering and nobody knows where to put it to keep it safe other than the stock market… And it does feel like it’s gonna get robbed at some point.
So agreed, just think it’s wild that there is enough money hoarding and spending in any state in the US to beat out lots of countries for GDP and sets the US as the battery that powers the global economy at our pain. I do hope we just drain the battery rather than light it on fire.
Fourth largest, Texas is eighth.
And a lot of it is tech that can leave state if it needed to
Shutting off the American food supply is the bigger play
To that I say:
Don’t worry, we are already on track for that.
Feel free to join Canada my friends.
I’m neither rich nor skilled enough :( If I was I’d be up there like yesterday
New Californian Republic 2027?
Just join Canada. If you are willing to consider you aren’t the center of the world, you are welcome.
No they’re too big, instantly doubling the population wouldn’t go well. At most a Euro style partnership if a few more western states broke off.
Oh sick can we get the yaogui on the flag too?
They will just flatten it with carpet bombs.
California is unlikely to give up their nukes.
Educate me for a moment, are Nukes on a seperate grid by state?
They can all work off the grid, in case we get hit first.
I do not mean power plants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Laboratory?wprov=sfla1
I didn’t either. I meant are they seperate state by state like that where a state could threaten to use or withhold nukes as you were implying?
They are controlled normally by the Department of Energy.
But sesession would be a weird event, and many things would change. Physical location is not one of them. And the physical location of the place where the most advanced nuclear weapons are designed and built is in California.
Would the physicists and engineers at Lawrence Livermore just pack up and leave? Or would they continue rolling out B.83s or something in between.
Even more weird possibilities: would the DoE forcibly relocate the physicists and engineers who do this work? Or would California step in and protect them? In any case I think the number of weapons that wind up under the control of the State of California would not be zero. The same goes for bombers, and missile systems, of which California has the most flexible examples.
Sure, the production missile fleet is in Montana and N. Dakota, but those things are there to draw fire, not necessarily to be used. But Vandenberg and Edwards are in California. What happens to those?
I don’t like Gavin Newsom, but I really hope he does this. It would be so funny 🥲
I won’t be holding my breath, but it would be hilarious.
I’d definently like him a lot more if he did
