Brett Wilkins Jun 16, 2025
Flight-tracking websites showed dozens of Air Force aerial refueling planes departing from military bases in the United States and heading to Europe on Sunday, fueling speculation of direct U.S. involvement in the widening Israeli-Iranian war.
Military-focused news sites reported that around 30 U.S. Air Force KC-135R and KC-46A tankers were identified by flight-tracking software in what The Times of Israelcalled an “unprecedented mass deployment” to Europe.
Sounds like the perfect time for Canada, Greenland/Denmark and Panama to launch their preemptive strike and ensure regime change and eliminate US WMD.
If I woke up to discover that all of DC was a smoldering crater and those countries all offered us protected refugee status under Canada’s leadership, the strangest part would be living through world-changing history and having a GOOD feeling about it for once.
Healthcare at a reasonable cost you say?
Count me out in.
A leader who isn’t a complete fucking moron?
Also count me in.
lol yeah, okay
Only idiots are excited about wars.
US is about to go to war the day before I go down to the states to get an MRI, lovely.
edit: So idiots are excited about wars, but I’m also an idiot for not being excited about wars? Fair enough then, I can’t win.
USian here who is also getting an MRI tomorrow. Fun coincidence and I wish you well on your alien abduction simulator!
The fortunate thing for you and me, and the unfortunate thing for humanity as a whole, is that daily life in the US is generally pleasant and undisturbed by brutal overseas military actions.
That’s a general theme of this place though. The country is massive and geographically isolated/protected while the military is spread all over the world doing shit all the time.
If the shit hits the fan, I want too see every single fucking MAGA voter at a US Army recruiting office signing up for 11 Bravo, Grunt Infantry.
Nah they’ll just cry on tiktok about how they “never expected this at all” so that people feel sorry for them. Even though they fucked everyone around them.
Grunt infantry is redundant
Yeah, I should have placed parenthesis around infantry.
Eh, maybe cav scout or something in the 92 family (NOT 92R), we don’t want those asshats walking around with an M4/203 and frags.
Yes we do. Maybe they’ll blow themselves up.
This would have to be the most unpopular war in US history and yet I think everyone Trump has surrounded himself with is telling him to do it.
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Without war, American capitalist hegemony cannot sustain itself. It’s so sickening…
Vietnam was pretty unpopular tbh.
But was it in the beginning? I’m not old enough to remember what it was like when it started but clearly there was a lot of propaganda. The unpopularity seemed to manifest over time, as there was no goal and people dying over something most americans didn’t care about.
Or at least that’s my impression.
It’s not even hard to look this up, or maybe I already have the context having loved the 90s history channel. Vietnam had majority support for the first few years. But it was one of the first conflicts that was widely televised. Americans had never so quickly seen how fucked up war was, so support dropped off quickly. Weapons were also becoming a lot more fucked up during this time as well, adding to the visual horror.
I don’t personally know, but as far as I could tell, people in the USA were largely ok with the Vietnam war, until they started to draft people to send to Vietnam who never wanted to be in a military.
I don’t know, I’m neither american nor old enough. However, since it was a different time and, as you so brilliantly told, the propaganda machine was at its summum. So there is no way to know how really unpopular things were. However, looking at the civil rights movement and the hippie era that was happening et the same time, we could conclude that it could have been more unpopular.
Don’t forget that the majority of trump voters are in favor of a war, particularly against a country they have seen as an enemy for a very long time - not forgetting the fact that it is also a muslim country, of which they are very biaised against.
You could say that there are no fundamental differences between the iranian government and the one they are willing to implement on US soil, except the fact that they are both centered around two different religions, however similar might their doctrines be.
To Trump voters, however, those words don’t have any weight as, again, iranians are seen as an enemy of the so-called freedom. That makes this war quite popular by essence.
It is clear that Israel want this war. And they clearly can’t do anything without the US and the UK at least. However, they commited insane genocidal attack in Gaza which might have been part of their plans to provoke a reaction that justify a war against Iran.
When that didn’t work and Trump made a deal with the Houthis in Yemen without their knowledge and was close to a deal with Iran they pulled the plug and basically put the US government under a situation where the have to join their war sooner or later eventhough it is not a good time for the US to do it.
lets imagine Trump administration just gone. Any other adminstration have a few options:
- play a defensive rule, which cannot last for long as Iran have the means to a long term missile attacks, and Israel being small and there is a few main cities that can be targeted. Along with cost which will run their budgets down.
- stop supporting Israel, which will make their allies nation to reach to China or Russia for guarantee protection and the US will lose its defense credibility.
- forcing a ceasefire, which is impossible and Israel keep violating all their ceasefires. As they would like to the war to happen they will force it through escalation.
Along with the fact that Israel own the Congress, the Senate, and the US administration based on how many officials visit Israel and publicly endorsed by AIPAC, there are literally no other option.
The question now is how to make sure it is a popular war, it seems like they were trying to do it by the 6 day mark but couldn’t. The US government has two part, Zionist and MAGA supremacist, and the MAGA supremacist don’t want to be controlled by Jewish people and it feel as this is what stopping the US from joining now.
Most likely, they came to the conclusion that they will have to stage a false flag attack on US bases or assets to make it easier for the public to accept this war. This has been publicly stated by AIPAC speakers through out the years before 9/11, where now it feels more like a false flag as Benjamin Netanyahu keep mentioning “New York will be next”.
This might sound insane but every single wartime president has gotten a huge boost to their approval ratings due to media networks circulating pure propaganda nonstop. Even NPR will start doing positive coverage.
The consent manufacturing machine will rev up like it always does. There’s already attempts to get us on board with a the fantasy of a regime change. As though that won’t lead to another ISIS or Libya.
But I really don’t think the average liberal boomer is going to fall in line behind Trump like they did Bush. And certainly not anyone younger. Dem leadership is probably already on board though.
I don’t know if he’s serious about regime change in iran. He seems to negotiate from a raft of threats and lies. Hopefully it’s all for show but if the war does go down my guess for approval ratings is over 60%. Not quite Bush I or ii numbers due to decline in news consumption.
I doubt anyone in power is deluded enough to think they can actually reinstate the Shah or something. They probably just want to bomb every piece if infrastructure in Iran and not worry about them for a few decades.
But regime change absolutely is the fantasy they are trying to sell liberals.
It also isn’t true. LBJs approval rating absolutely tanked because of the Vietnam war.
Johnson’s approval ratings had dropped from 70 percent in mid-1965 to below 40 percent by 1967
https://millercenter.org/president/lbjohnson/foreign-affairs
It was perceived that he was losing the war and lying to the public about the successes that they claimed to have achieved.
But winning wars, even unjust ones, always gets the president brownie points in the eyes of the public and corporations
the exception was covid, there was a huge downturn in recruitments, and they were getting worried. but military propaganda: top gun maverick helped boost numbers up. also the fact that they loosen some restrictions to join the military too. i was in a forum of people joining, during the obama years, and it was getting tougher to join. its mostly due to medical conditions that prevent people from joining.
I think Trump is attempting to scare Iran into accepting his nuclear deal. The only problem with this tactic is that Iran might not believe him as they know how deeply unpopular the war would be.
commondreams.org is on my PiHole block list for some reason, is it a low quality news source, or some such? It’s not a news outlet I’ve heard of, at least.
Edit: Ah, because it’s a shell going to a CDN that scoops up data and such, seemingly.
www.commondreams.org (blocked www.commondreams.org.cdn.rebelmouse.com)
Early 2000’s era nostalgia goin real hard
Operation Desert Shield, redux, again. Hey at least the music of the era is relevant again
The worst part of anti-war music is that it never stops being relevant. Blast off! It’s party time!
I fucking hate this rhetoric which is: OIL! GAS! BUY OIL! BUY GAS! KEEP PUTIN HAPPY! OIL! GAS!
No one was taking the ‘war’ between Israel and Iran seriously last week after the initial surge in oil price because the USA was like… “yeah, nah”. Now, after a quick call from Putin and bam, all this BS about how the US is pandering for war to drive commodity and share prices up when it’s a nothingburger.
Remember kids, buy oil, buy gas and do as you’re told.
I think RATM had something to say about your last 4 words
Retail traders beg to differ though and are doing as they’re told.
“Thank you sir, may I have another!”
I’m seeing a lot of posts drumming up war hype and WW3 fears but there is nothing to fight. Iran is already cooked and no one is wants to do a ground invasion of Iran. Iran’s allies have abandoned them. This is american security preparing for possible counter attacks and bombing targets, not a full on war. Iran is already at war with Isreal.
No, Israel is at war with Iran, not the other way around. Don’t try and Ukraine invaded Russia this shit. They’re in violation of international law and should be unanimously and globally condemned like the sick rabid little terrorist state they are.
They have nukes by the way. And we’re apparently A-OK with that! Fuck the USA for enabling that infected boil on humanity’s progress.
Wonder if they are on the way to liberate Greenland?
Ways that could escalate:
- Iran finishes a nuke (or get one from somewhere [or use some other form of WMD]) and the regime decides to go out with a bang
- China using the moment of distraction to try something funny with Taiwan
- A new wave of international terrorism after the regime falls
So, even if that doesn’t escalate up to full on WWIII there is enough shit on the horizon to be worried
How come your analysis of escalation only includes enemy states of the USA? Escalation has happened already twice because of Israel, and the US literally threatened to invade Greenland and Canada, and is considering joining a war against Iran.
A-10 movement always preceeds ground deployments. They moved those to Kuwait at the end of March. This has been coming for a while, its not an unplanned thing like it appears.
Also indicates complete air superiority in guessing Israel has removed a fair amount of threat
Where are those informations diskussed? If the information was out in March then Lemmy as a whole is not good at filtering the relevant news.
The news community over at Hexbear.net made abundant analysis of this
For A-10s theres probably 4 active squadrons, 2 national guard, 1 reserve 74th (Georgia), 75th (Georgia), 354th (Fairbanks), 190th (Boise national guard), 107th (michigan) is in Afghanistan
45th/47th reserve, not sure
They are phasing all A-10s out and replacing with other aircraft, f-16s for the 25th.
25th has a great insignia:
Thank you.
We need to fix the voting system. ALL pacs should be banned and campaign spending should be limited.
worry not. remember this is TACO Don… he’ll chicken out again
He also said if he was president there’d be no more wars, so this obviously totally super duperly cannot happen.
It’s not a war, it’s a special military operation.
Only for a day
This comment will age poorly if he don’t.
that’s not even in the list of things I’d consider giving a fuck about
It’ll just change to TOCO, Trump Occasionally Chickens Out
He openly calls service members suckers and losers. I dont know that he much cares whats done with them.
Yeah, it seems fairly impossible he’ll get fully into the war, and even lending a few bunker busters would be surprising when that’s risking a blowback on American forces.
I would guess that Trump is expecting Khamenei to cave, because that’s what he’d do. Most likely, he won’t, Trump will be confused, and this will drag on and on until a regional nuclear exchange is on the table.
it works in russias favor since its redirecting some resources from the ukrainian front, its not a coindence that this is occuring at the same time russia was having larger losses.
What do you mean? Israel is doing Russia a solid for some reason?
Also, nothing has been redirected yet. It takes a while for stuff to move through the military supply chain and into the hands of Ukrainian forces, or Israeli ones, and even then you’d need the US to pass different funding legislation.
Who is exchanging nukes in that? Israel and who else?
Reciprocal nukes like Trump’s reciprocal tariffs.
Iran or Iran’s splinter states. They have several bombs worth of uranium that’s almost ready.
I doubt the US would get involved, and nobody else is going to for sure.
That’s the same talking point we’ve heard for decades but even US intelligence reports have said the opposite, even earlier this year. I’m sure they could create dirty bombs but that only requires nuclear power plant waste.
No, we’ve heard they have some kinda enriched stuff, some centrifuges and could maybe someday have a bomb for decades. It’s a bit less theoretical now, they’ve been gradually enriching more and more since the US broke off the agreement:
In February 2023, the IAEA reported having found uranium in Iran enriched to 84%. The Iranian government has claimed that this is an “unintended fluctuation” in the enrichment levels, though the Iranians have been openly enriching uranium to 60% purity, a breach of the 2015 nuclear deal. In 2024, Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian expressed interest in reopening discussions with the United States on the nuclear deal.
They have a significant amount, too, and if I were them I would be hiding it carefully in non-obvious places where it can’t be buried by an airstrike.
Hasn’t Iran been talking about ramping up nuclear weapons production since like the end of last year? I don’t think they’re actually a nuclear capable nation but I could see them posturing like they are
Posturing is what Iran does. They’ve done that at least since the early 90s. But US intelligence services have repeatedly come to the conclusion that Iran is not ramping up production, at least based on the briefs even from a few months ago earlier this year.
So NOW they want to have bases in Europe?
Huh? You do know that the US has bases in Europe since WW2 right?
And you do know Taco Don had a massive meltdown and told everyone the US won’t be having bases in Europe any more.
To a point where personnel in Rammstein base cancelled plans on buying houses in the city.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/03/02/us-troops-europe-trump-russia/
Yeah, the US empire sadly won’t be pulling out its bases from the EU anytime soon. I wish it did, though
US is going to be bankrupt by the time he is done his second term.
I mean, that’s just on brand for him. If anything, he has shown a talent for bankrupcy.
Well, so much for peace talks.
When you are 0/2 why go for 3…
Ueah. Yeah its pretty fucked.
The shitty thing is: this mother fucker woild love iranian culture. It’s super good at all the shit he fakes like gold plated shit.
Please, don’t talk like that of Iranian culture. Iran was well on its way towards progressivism, secularism and ending absolute monarchy during the early 1950s, under the presidency of Mosaddegh. This implied developing the country and Iran profiting from its own oil, instead of giving all the profits to British Petroleum, so the US and UK did a military economic embargo of Iran, and staged a coup that reinstated the Shah. Iran could be a perfectly progressive and developed country today if it weren’t for the west destroying every country that attempts to take control of its own future.
No im saying iran does the good version of the ‘incredibly baroque luxury’ shit trump kind of shittily imitates. Iranian culture has the not-entirely-tacky-shit version of that.
And yeah, imperialism sucks.
he loves russia more.
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