For those who aren’t familiar with the term, it means believing something that probably shouldn’t be believed, or being influenced to believe something that’s not necessarily in your best interests.
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I believed that I had to be certain way in society or I was fundamentally flawed and bad.
I dropped that belief, acknowledge that to some point it’s convenient for me to follow societal norms but trying to fit in makes me mostly miserable. I naturally don’t want to do things that bother other people but I also don’t really want to be around them so why should I try to be likeable to them any more than is normal to me. This way people who like me, are sure to like me as I am. If I like them enough, I’ll naturally also want to be considerate of them, even if I have to occasionally behave a little different.
I somehow made it very complicated with just beating myself up for being bad/stupid/ugly/broken because I kept believing people who I don’t even like.
I was raised evangelical Christian in the Bible belt. I was a “true believer” I call it now. I literally believed there was a hell that people were going to. I’m glad I’m out of that.
I ran 5 km every day and ate very low fat, mostly plants. Ended up with non alcoholic fatty liver.
seems inherited, did you ever find a cause?
No one else in my family or extended family has had fatty liver. Fortunately yes, I reversed my NAFLD by eating a low carbohydrate high fat diet.
Used to believe that humanity would inherently self-improve, especially the more easily information became accessible.
People couldn’t read and write at first, and didn’t know much about the world, and now we have instant communication and access to vast repositories of knowledge.
I believed that people were naturally curious, and wanted to learn and figure things out. Education systems sucked, but with improvement it could foster that curiosity in everyone!
Turns out that was incredibly naive. Humans have an inherent ego that tries to make themselves more than reality. Their problems are more real than another’s. Their inconveniences are more important than anything bigger-picture. I thought religion were old dinosaur structures of primitive belief systems that lasted for too long, but humans will literally make shit up or believe in some made up shit from someone else if it helps them ignore the inconveniences of reality.
COVID-19 really helped sink that in.
People are naturally curious but we live in a system that punishes curiosity.
covid also shifted the anti-vaxers to the RIGHT.
Oh man. Yeah, I remember in middle school reading about WW1, WW2, Vietnam, the Civil War (USA) and thinking that thank god we’re smart enough to be past that.
Yes, also, COVID killed any hope I had left. I remember before the pandemic thinking that if aliens landed all of humanity’s petty bickering would end once we had something that united us all, and when COVID hit I thought “this is it, we have no choice but to come together as humans and face a challenge”…holy shit was I wrong. In the years since the pandemic I’ve had to actively try to forget most of what happened for my own sanity.
Humans are smart.
But this isn’t our natural habitat. Its a laboratory and we are the lab rats.
Can you judge an animal’s intelligence if they are in a controlled environment and manipulated by mad scientists? (mad scientist = the 1%)
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000
But he was a great tennisman ! Who wouldn’t vote for him ???
Mine have generally been mentioned. In my early 20s in the early 2000s. Got into the ancient aliens stuff briefly.
Believed in supernatural and past life stuff for a good bit.
By the mid-2000s, having “pulled myself out of poverty” (I didn’t do it on my own; I had help and support for family after having been homeless at one point) and gotten a salaried job, started listening to rightwing radio hosts. Thought I just needed to work a bit harder and success would come. All the other people were lazy and social programs were bad with the possible exception of something like WIC. Nah, I was just fairly lucky to have survived some stupid situations, had help from family, and was generally just way too entitled and thinking I was special. I was fairly insufferable for a good while.
Once thought that Google eas a great company and earnt evil.
I believed the USA was a liberal democracy full of concerned citizens. I also had faith in the financial system at one point!
In fairness before the Internet we could pretend people were decent and thoughtful. Facebook well and truly ended that.
So you just drank the socialist kool aid. Got it.
Hahah socialism. Like subsidies for farmers who grow corn for ethanol? Or like subsidies for Amazon warehouses. Or should we only do socialism and when banks gamble to hard and collapse? Or socialism like getting a government/military jobs to avoid poverty?
You have faith in the financial system?
You say socialist like it’s a bad thing and it screams “I’m ignorant.”
If you hate socialism stop using the things socialism provides you. Mail, paved roads, power and water delivered to your house, fire and police, education, etc. Socialism is a big part of why our lives are so decent despite the capitalist hellscape the billionaires are pushing. They’ve lied to you that social programs are why your taxes are so high; they’re high because the wealthiest among us aren’t paying a fair share.
Thinking everything is a “hellscape” and only those in your group are enlightened enough to see a better way (those outside the group are “ignorant”) is what most people refer to as “drinking the koolaid”.
Modern “socialism” is at best a grift, at worst a cult.
He did a good thing for sure
If you work hard, are honest, and moral, you will get ahead in life.
It was embarrassingly late in life before I realized how much of a farce that was.
Oh man! The pieces of myself I gave working for companies that gave zero shits about me! I worked way too hard for way too little. I was nothing to them.
Kids if you’re reading this unionize your workplace. Through a union is the only way I’ve gotten a decent wage, benefits package, and shield from the whims of management. They’re nothing without us, they produce no value.
9/11 truther. Missile pods on military jets and fed reserve gold heist. WTC7 got me in. But I was also a welder and I’d been making thermite for fun since I was a teenager so I knew that jet fuel didn’t have to melt steel beams to significantly reduce its tensile strength, just several hundred degrees was enough to weaken steel. And I know the difference between thermite products and liquid aluminium pouring from the buildings, thermite looks like straight up lava, and in any case, you need way, way more thermite to melt through a steel girder than you might expect from watching movies. It takes at least half a kilo just to melt through the hood of a car, let alone and engine block like the anarchist cookbook would have you believe, I know because I did it.
Ok, I’ve always wondered what’s up with WTC7, but I could never be bothered to wade through the noise. What was up with that?
It’s still a very strange looking collapse. But the sort of damage caused to it by two giant skyscrapers collapsing next to and into it must have subjected it to stresses is was never designed to take.
And a raging fire inside the building near it’s base that was left to burn mostly unchecked because most of the firefighters were already killed or their equipment destroyed by towers 1 and 2.
Controlled demolitions target the very weakest parts of a structure, causing a cascading failure throughout the structure. In a huge uncontrolled fire and impact, the same weakest points are by definition the most likely to fail first, so the collapse looks similar. Also WTC7 was built above an existing building, so it’s vertical columns didn’t go straight down into bedrock, they went down to near street level, and then transferred the load horizontally around the existing building. From the outside it looked like a regular rectangle, but on the inside, it effectively had a giant unsupported hole on the inside. Under normal conditions, structurally sufficient, but if you shake the ever loving fuck out of it twice and then light it on fire with no firefighters nearby…
I remember watching one of the Flash animated “truth” “documentaries” on flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon.
It talked about missiles being used and similar stuff, I was 13-14 at the time and I showed my parents, they rightfully explained that this was just a random video that anyone could have made.
They brought up the importance of using trusted sources, but also emphasized that they didn’t have the facts either.
They told me to calm down and wait for verifiable facts to surface.
spongebob meme dot gif tventy foor yeers later…
I once watched a 9/11 truther type program that hand waved away this issue by simply stating the government used “nanothermite”. What is “nanothermite”? It’s thermite but acts in whatever way it needs to when somebody pokes holes in the idea of thermite.
It takes at least half a kilo just to melt through the hood of a car
Counter argument: if you did this at home on a hobby budget, imagine what is possible with a high tech lab and a military budget.
imagine
Not a terribly convincing start to a hypothesis.
The start was what they achieved with no resources. Keep up.
You are grossly overestimating military budget spending. Now, a private contractor with a government contract, on the other hand, maybe. As long as they didn’t waste it and delivered on schedule. Wait, that doesn’t happen either.
IF a private contractor can hijack 4 planes in the most heavily guarded airspace in the world without scrambling a single defence fighter, then they can source Nanothermite on schedule.
Not saying that happened, but suitable explosives are not the weakest link in the 9/11 conspiracy theories.
Elon Musk in his early days. He was fresh, convincing and his ideas sounded good. It turns out they sounded a bit too good. With hindsight he really is the world greatest con-man. Why this still goes on its beyond me, though.
I knew of Tesla and SpaceX and I’d vaguely heard of him but didn’t really care so I wrote him off as another rich asshole immediately. Then I had some friends raving about him going to Mars and saving the world. I almost bought in but within a few weeks of that happening he called the guys who rescued the kids trapped in a cave a pedo just because he couldn’t use his sub. That started my hatred of the man.
In early days of Tesla I felt pretty sure a Tesla was going to be my first car. Now, I’m kind of just happy not having a car at all.
I remember when Reddit was in love with him. I never really engaged with him either way. It’s probably indirectly thanks to him that my opinion on self driving cars has soured, and I theoretically stand to gain the most if it ever becomes a thing since I can’t drive. We shouldn’t try to make a machine learn the messy landscape of roads designed for humans, we should develop better rail and bus infrastructure and make cities more pedestrian-friendly.
wild to think that whole house of cards of his collapsed because his PR person wanted a raise and being the greedy little ratfuck he is he refused.
cleanly they earned it
kimd of makes me wonder who all else out there is a complete piece of shit but we just don’t know/realize it
Never heard about this. Do you have a source I can get some further reading on this?
don’t have any links off the top of my head but it should be easy enough to find.
it could just all be coincidence but the timing of public-facing downfall and that event seems too good to be true imo.
Ok I’ll have a look. Thnx for the interesting info
Report back. I remember somethingabout there being a musk cleanup team who followed him around and put right everything he meddled with. But internet search is so shit now that this is the best I can find. SpaceX employees denounce CEO Musk as ‘distraction’ in letter
There was a time I actually thought that Elon Musk wanted to help save the planet by making electric cars mainstream to displace fossil fuel vehicles, and by helping humanity return to space simply for the science and exploration value.
Musk’s “some kind of pedo guy” comment about the diver that dismissed Musk’s efforts with the cave children was the first WTF moment, but I wrote that off has him just having a bad day as he apologized later. Musk fighting the COVID lockdown was also more evidence that concerned me. This was all before Elon’s embrace of trump and GOP Nazism, and long before Elon’s double Nazi salute on national television.
I always knew he was an arsehole, but I thought he was at least a like minded arsehole, when it came to saving the planet.
The trapped kids incident also the first proper crack I noticed in his image. Now, I wouldn’t touch anything of his with a 40’ pole.
Never liked the guy in the first place, but what really sealed the deal was when I heard him talk about the stupid fucking Hyperloop, and then later when he built the even more stupid Loop system in Las Vegas.
As a Swede who knows trains and remembers reading about Swissmetro, the Hyperloop system was not just a stupid idea, it was an old discredited stupid idea from the very start.
As for the Loop system, the less said about it, the more time is left to laugh at it.
Musk was already know for being a toxic asshole long before the pedo incident.
His was already establishing himself as anti-labor, a terrible leader and an asshole who screamed at employees and fired employees in front of other employees.
He only got into Tesla and spacex because he was able to establish himself as unremovable because every other company he had attempt to lead, fired his ass for being all of these things.
Absolutely, but little of that information was common knowledge at the time.
I’m not sure common knowledge is a appropriate here, most of what you and I listed still isn’t common knowledge.
I recall all of this being covered and discussed. The main difference was the type of excuses being made becuase believe wanted to believe he was saving the world.
There are definitely people who still believe. But there are now fewer people proclaiming it and the excuses are gone.
Now the argument is if he’s a Nazi or not. Few take his goals seriously, we’re in some weird state where people are gaslighting themselves for various reasons. A big one is to protect the massive amount of money invested in his worthless companies.
I tend to think at some point that was true, that Tesla was about saving the planet and SpaceX was about making humanity multiplanetary.
It could be he was always a wretched creep and just really good at hiding it, but it seems to me that the wealth and power just ruined him. He wouldn’t be the first person to fall in that trap.
I’ll append my confession here.
I supported Ron Paul once upon a time. The non-interventionism appealed to me in the context of the Iraq war in particular, and the rights-based libertarian philosophy seemed sound. I was young.
We must be twins!
Elon is a classic tale of surrounding oneself with sycophants and descending into the madness of their own bullshit. I think he started with pure-ish intentions.
I was a registered libertarian and a Ron Paul disciple. Easy trap to fall into as a relatively privileged white guy. Every self-described libertarian I meet now makes me ashamed of who I was then.
You couldn’t tell he was a maniac grifter? The fact that his money comes from family mines in South Africa and he didn’t renounce it but built upon it didn’t let you know he was a villain? 😕
PS: Weird post to downdoot. Explain yourselves, you cowards, lol.
PS: Weird post to downdoot. Explain yourselves, you cowards, lol.
You’re not wrong, you’re just being a dick about it in a thread that is literally about the time one drank the Kool Aid.
Criticising people that have reflected their previous choices/views and are acting different now is unnecessary.
Where’s the criticism? Stop having an emotional reaction to my actual bewilderment (“you couldn’t tell…”) and just explain it to me (or don’t!). 🙃
Had I said something like “lol you fucking incompetent moron, you smoothbrain fucks”, I’d get it, certainly. But I didn’t.
You asked people to explain. People explained that you’re coming across as a dick, in a thread explicitly about regrettable, gullible moments. I don’t know what you’re having a problem with here but it seems like you’re the one having an emotional reaction, calling people cowards and refusing to hear people’s explanations.
I think the reason your initial comment comes across hostile is because of the way it’s written (chaining questions), and the way you’re asking things that have an obvious answer.
However, you didn’t write anything explicitly hostile. It’s a question that could come across either way, and if you genuinely had no mocking or hostile intent I would have suggested rereading and rewording your comment to make that clearer, as it’s tough to interpret that kind of thing through text. I’ve totally left comments that read hostile when I didn’t intend it to, it just happens sometimes! 🤷♂️
Now this is a proper reply. Fair enough. I wasn’t being hostile, more like 🤔😔, certainly not too positive. It’s annoying that people can be this blind, it’s a big reason why the world is so shit and why the West cranks and exports villains who are loved locally… it’s triggering, for lack of a better word.
Just when you exhibited a moment of possible self-reflection, you just threw it all away and reinforced every negative connotation your prior statements have held.
😔
Maybe the criticism is valid, you just don’t wanna hear it?
I had no idea he came from SA with wealth from mining until after I figured out he was full of shit and and absolute dickhead, only after that did I realize where it all started.
So don’t blame people for not knowing what you knew at the time.
First of all, where’s the blame? Don’t get too emotional on me. Secondly, that’s like the easiest and quickest Google research you could’ve done, lol. Finally, does anyone who isn’t in the spectrum even have to Google anything related to him? The insanity and depravity was palpable, just like with Milei and Trump and the others. But if you are, then the little Google search would be absolutely necessary before you start praising him as if he’s some messiah and not just another selfish capitalist amoral prick. Haven’t y’all had enough experience with these folks to recognise it?!
This is where you put the blame in your comment:
The fact that his money comes from family mines in South Africa and he didn’t renounce it but built upon it didn’t let you know he was a villain?
This isn’t even general knowledge these days, and has only started spreading in the last few years, you acted as if everyone knew it from day one.
Pretty normal expectation from a rich white guy in South Africa at the time, ngl.
It took me years to learn that he was from SA
Hang on, before I reply I have to research whether any people in this thread bought their computer with money earned through slavery.
I downvoted you for complaining about downvotes.
Understandable, lol.
He was a big figure before the Internet became what it is today. We only saw him through headlines, that he probably paid to have embellished in a positive light.
Before he started going on twitter and we all saw what a prick he was, he was Mr. Most-Likely-To-Be-Iron-Man-IRL. It’s a shame really.
haha excellent edit/ps.
I used to be a bit of a Microsoft shill, after the first known knowledge of “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.”
I saw them as an underdog in topics like the phone market, gaming, and a few other subjects, and wanted the competitors to try a bit harder instead of controlling market dominance. I’m still sad MS lost out with their HTML5 engine and went to WebKit - even if I root Firefox, having more competitors against WebKit is a good thing.
What shifted me over was first, them firing the team that made Hi-Fi Rush, Xbox’s ONLY claim to GOTY, and then learning how much they lick Netanyahu’s boots. My PC runs Linux now.
(WebKit is Safari, which is related; but you’re thinking of Chromium/Blink)
Yes, but the inverse is also true. Chromium derives from Webkit, and the two were maintained in close proximity for a while.
From ordinary routes, Gecko, MSIE, and Webkit are the true “origins” of the web. Even if many considered it the worse one, losing MSIE, especially after its devs had given it a big boost in standards compliance, was a blow to shared standards.
OK but Chromium browsers are no longer WebKit. They’ve diverged pretty far. And the root there was khtml.
Agree on more options being good. We also lost Presto (Opera) too.
I used to believe in god about 45 years ago, does that count?
yes.
