What kind of collapse i mean?: Global.

I’ve just just just started preparing, well, better late than never, right?

  • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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    17 minutes ago

    And do what, exactly?

    If you are self preparing, all that is happening is that you are creating a stockpile for a group of raiders to sack.

    The groups that will succeed the most are going to be tight knit small towns with an armory and the ability to be self sufficient for most essentials.

    If you don’t have a group to plan a strategy around now, you’re just LARPing.

  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world
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    46 minutes ago

    I’m very lucky in that I have a good job, home, land and some strong skills. So, most of my model isn’t realistic for the majority. But anyway, I operate a small farm as a kind of side business/learning experiment to raise livestock/honey/eggs/ grow crops. As an mechanical/stationary engineer I’ve also set up a good failsafe system of temporary generators assuming my solar setup is damaged or loses functionalality. As well as plenty of resources I’ll need assuming I cant get power regardless (alt light sources, hard-core cold gear, water collection and purification, ect) I’m trained with firearms but hope I’ll never have to use them outside the range. I do a good bit of canning and live essentially out in the woods with no neighbors for about a mile in any direction. I have accumulated tools that can handle most projects that may come up (maintenence is not pretty but unbelievably important). Again i recognize my situation isn’t realistic for the majority. That said, anyone in any situation can learn basic skills like canning, sewing, self defense (armed or not) and basic structure maintenance.

  • Libb@piefed.social
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    7 hours ago

    Preparing?

    I mean, if there is a ‘collapse’, what use will there be to stock pile some food/medications? If those are not stolen by raiders (aka other people believing they ought to survive… a side note to those of our American friends who worship the holy gun: no, you won’t own enough bullets to shoot them all). Those stocks they will only last so long, right? Then, what?

    It’s even simpler in my very personal situation: I’m alive today thx to constant medications. Stop the inflow of those medications and I will last a couple years at most (dixit the same doctors that have been keeping me running for many years now). And that is in the best conditions, which probably won’t be what we will all be experimenting.

    So, I prepare by being fine with knowing things and I will end. Which they will, even without any collapse. And by knowing other things will replace them, with or without that odd human species that once ruled the planet.

    On the short term, as my humble way to try reduce the risk of such a sad collapse happening, I do my best to reduce the resources I consume, and by encouraging people (me included) to rediscover there is an alternative path to self-destruction through constant anger and hate against the other(s)… and against oneself.

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    8 hours ago

    If something happens I will try my best to die at the first blast. I am too old and tired and blasee for any apocalypse.

  • CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip
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    14 hours ago

    First thing to understand is global collapse isn’t an event. It’s a slow process that unfolds over years, or more likely, decades. We are already seeing it happening, but since it’s not like the movies most of us don’t recognize it.

    The second thing is that baring some major instant catastrophe you aren’t going to see hordes of displaced people fighting for your potatoes. It takes real desperation to pack a bag, leave all the rest of your things, leave your home, and walk far away hoping it’ll be better somewhere else. Even now people stay in some of the most dangerous and unhospitable places.

    So, odds are you’ll have time to set up a garden, set up a rainwater collection system, maybe get some solar panels. Whatever you want to do to prepare for what you expect is coming, you can probably do it. One guiding principle in this is try to minimize your external dependencies. If you can feed yourself and live comfortably without a big shopping trip every week you are doing better than most. Independence from utilities is more difficult, but doable if you want to put the effort and money into it. Another principle is learn useful skills. Learn how to build things, fix things, buildings, cars, electric motors, etc. Most people jump to protecting yourself from bandits. Do you live in a high-crime area? If so maybe move. If not, take some reasonable self-defense precautions. You aren’t going to fight off an army or even a coordinated gang, so just don’t worry about it too much. Basically, live in an area where you get along with your neighbors and you help each other out. Bonus points if they are self-sufficient too.

    I mean, you can’t predict what’s going to happen, so just try to insulate yourself from whatever system shocks might appear. You’ll need to adapt as the years go by and things get worse. Good luck. :-)

    • Katana314@lemmy.world
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      3 hours ago

      I have a novel planned about this. Basically, zombie apocalypse starts. People get infected, the lights go out in major cities and they lose radio contact, and the troupe of heroes, lead by a gritty survivalist, set down harsh rules for their camp to survive as long as they can.

      Several months later after some harsh decisions and a few deaths, the radio hums to life again. Turns out, the city’s main antenna was damaged, and there was risk in fixing it. But, with some danger, life has proceeded as normal there; and they’re making steady breakthroughs on a cure for the infection. The government is active, finding who to help, and little of the “Brutal, tough decisions” of the survivor crowd were necessary.

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    10 hours ago

    Plans are already in place. I’m gonna kick back, watch Blast from the Past, and kiss my ass goodbye while I get good and drunk/messed up. It’s the same thing I do during storm season. I’ve started from literal nothing too many times. I refuse to do it again.

  • cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    Know your neighbors, befriend your neighbors, when the collapse happens you’ll need food in your gardens sure, but you’ll need your neighbors to think you’re more than a spare pantry when their food gets low, even better if you like each other enough to form a real community thats more defendable and resilient than any single household could be

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      17 hours ago

      Ive heard through other people that have gone through a governmental and economic collapse that our superpower as people is in our ability to make connections. And our local community is how they were able to survive in trying times. Getting to know your neighbors, your community can help out when going to barter and trade.

      Im thinking starting a community garden or joining one might be a good start. I know im part of a local makerspace so we can repair and augment our tools. Worst case, I find out im not very good at a thing (like Crochet, im terrible) but best case you can contribute back.

      I hope nothing bad will happen, but ive already been through a couple of economic downturns, a pandemic, a huge fire/drought and other such events. Yet I am still here. And so is my community. Because we helped each other.

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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      17 hours ago

      Yeah, this is pretty much the only way to survive. Gardening alone isn’t really enough to feed yourself, especially without the help of modern petrochemical derived fertilizers and pesticide.

      It really takes a community to grow enough food that you won’t be starving in the off-season. I have a fairly substantial organic garden and I wouldn’t really want to rely on it alone. Ive had too many seasons where a blight or bug just rips through them.

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        17 hours ago

        I once had a huge amount of green beans just all die at the same time because some kind of blight/disease ripped through them. After a couple of years of good harvests + compost.

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          14 hours ago

          Yeah, it is always the most frustrating feeling just seeing weeks of work go down the drain. Two years ago we had a really wet spring and then a really dry summer, somehow the combo made the grasshoppers go crazy. They ate my whole garden in like two days, made me feel like I was in the dust bowl.

          There’s a reason humans started to live in larger settlements once we started agriculture. That shit takes a village to maintain and harvest.

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      17 hours ago

      Being there for your neighbours and building community is also a great way to reduce dependence on billionaires

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    18 hours ago

    Been learning to garden for a few years. This year I’m focusing on perennials, specifically heirloom species that were staple food crops prior to the modern industrial era.

    Turns out pretty much every non native plant in North America is a food crop. These plants often have superiour nutritional content as well as being more drought resistant, hardy, and ecologically sustainable.

    A few to google.

    Bambara ‘Beans’ - West African Staple for 300 years. All 9 amino acids. Bio available B12. Grows like legumes. Nitrogen fixer

    Bamboo - Edible varieties have lots of fiber and potassium, some protein and low fat.

    Old King Henry - Edible shoots like asparagus, edible leaves like spinach, edible grainlike seeds similar to quinoa

    Skirret - clumping root vegetable that looks like carrots. Has higher carb density than carrots.

    Comfrey - Top Tier mulch/fertilizer.

    Clover - Edible nitrogen fixer

    Dandelions - Edible nitrogen fixer

    Cat Tails - Indigenous, all parts are edible, winter survival crop.

    Ashitaba - apparently this plant has insane nutritional benefits for the body and originates from an Okinawan island with the longes average lifspan in the world.

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    18 hours ago

    Gardening, getting solar panels and a well is the regular way to handle a crisis.
    You can download a lot of data - like Wikipedia, getting books to live on, get a novie collection going, get a sewing machine and good thread also. Global collapse can be just a blink or go mad max. That case guns also.
    I don’t believe it will be that bad, but the signs for sure sow a lot of upcoming troubles.

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      17 hours ago

      Forgot to mention: look up Food Forrest layouts for your climate.
      You can have some chickens also. If you don’t want to eat them for meat eggs are still important source of protein.

  • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
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    15 hours ago

    Establish or join mutual aid networks and learn practical skills like gardening, sewing, or mechanics. Ideally don’t live in a city (assuming total trade collapse)

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    17 hours ago

    I always see some truly naive optimism in threads like these. Global collapse means shipping is dead, which means every city is in a state of famine.

    Pick your closest city, split the population in 4 for each cardinal direction and run some rough estimates on how many will be walking near your door. That’s ignoring all the people in your own town that don’t have gardens.

    I know I have close to a million people coming my way, and someone’s going to kill me for my little dozen potatoes. You can’t fight off that many people with a handful of neighbors. It also takes a shit load of gardening to keep a family of 4 alive.

    If your plan doesn’t involve getting the fuck out of dodge and having a cache of food somewhere remote (with a cottage or small cabin if you live in a winter region), it will fail.

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      3 hours ago

      You probably have the most realistic advice, I support it, but I’m afraid we will have to move a lot just like in the book McCarthy Road.

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      16 hours ago

      Assuming your favorite apocalypse fantasy setting doesn’t involve cities getting nuked, that’s the place hole up with your hoard of food.

      A cottage in the woods stands out. It’s attractive. A boarded up apartment doesn’t, isn’t.

      Once the bulk of the starving and murdering is done with, you can go find yourself a nice cottage that didn’t get shot up too badly.

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    15 hours ago

    I don’t. I’m not egotistical enough to think the world will collapse or that if it did I’d have any ability to survive it.

    If there is a mass die off then I’m dying too.

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      15 hours ago

      You don’t have to be egotistical to think it will collapse. Just follow the data.

      Thinking you’ll survive though, I agree with you. We’re both headed for the burn pits.

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        15 hours ago

        what data is that? the data that shows human civilization has grown and expanded almost non-stop for the past 10,000 years? despite all the setbacks it has had?

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          3 hours ago

          The data also shows humanity has existed for far longer without civilisation than with. So that is not a very good usage of data.

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          I mean the data showing that none of those “setbacks” were from a change in climate that will be more severe and orders of magnitude shorter in timeframe than the worst mass extinction in the fossil record, the Permian extinction, where 95% of sea life and 75% of land life went extinct. That’s not talking about the biomass that died, but the number species.

          I’m talking about a “setback” that has a high likelihood of just scalping us as a species and leaving us for dead. Maybe we will make it through but it will be akin to the bottleneck in our species around 70,000years ago when we dropped to about a thousand breeding pairs.

          Shits on fire, yo.