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Gonna get skewered for this take but… that’s slightly better than I thought it would be. I thought it would be 1500 USD at the minimum.
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OH NO brother they’re RAFFLING IT!? hahahaha that’s fucked
They will sell out instantly and this blocks the scalpers.
Oh yeah sorry, I don’t mean to say they’re wrong for doing it. I just mean that scalpers are now so prolific that this is the only way to ensure fair purchases, that’s the fucked part.
OH NO brother they’re RAFFLING IT!? hahahaha that’s fucked
I’m actually glad to see it. A raffle is one of the only realistic ways to deter scalpers while still leaving the console eventually accessible to people who actually want to play on it. Fuck scalpers; anything that hurts them is a win in my book.
I mean, yeah, fuck scalpers. But valve’s global market is atrocious. I could buy a PS5 in a brick and mortar store, I could order any Xbox version I want, I could’ve bought and play a Switch2 on launch day. But somehow 4 years later I would have to find a sketchy online reseller if I wanted a Steam Deck. The Steam controller won’t get to me unless I’m willing to pay 4 times the original cost, and it would probably be years before I see a Steam Machine in person. Valve is right, piracy is a service problem, and I’m starting to suspect that scalping is too.
OH NO brother they’re RAFFLING IT!? hahahaha that’s fucked
I disagree. The Deck and Controller each had their queues announced at least a week ahead of time. The queue for the Steam Machine kinda just shadowdropped in comparison. Plus a raffle doesn’t penalize anyone for having work or living in a timezone where they’d normally be asleep.
Given the circumstances it’s pretty fair.
Even with an announcement ahead of time it’s so much better imo. Doesn’t penalize people for having to work or just living in a timezone where it’s the middle of the night.
Sure it feels like you have less agency over when you get it but it’s so much fairer.
Yeah 10:00 a.m. is perfectly reasonable but it converts to 6:00 p.m. UK time 7:00 p.m. for a lot of Europe, that’s kind of late in the day to be trying to order something and I think it’s the middle of the night in Australia. This does seem better.
randomization is to determine the order of receipt
… that’s high demand, sheesh
It’s not a raffle anyone who joins the list will get a device it’s just when you get it. It’s a countermeasure to stop bots from being used to scalp the machines. I’m sure if you’re not that bothered about getting it in the first week or so you can just hold off and then it’ll go to normal purchasing after that.
Valve seem to have been pretty good so far about keeping scalpers from becoming part of their distribution network. Compared to the shit we saw with the PS5, for example.
I remember being very difficult to get hold of the original steam deck. I don’t think they initially had any kind of limiting place, I feel like it was the second run where that was implemented.
i mean, i just entered a raffle. but it’s for free music tix at stern grove in san francisco. that’s the kind of raffle i’ll enter.
I actually wish they did concert tickets like this. I might actually occasionally be able to go to one.
My dude I am not bullshitting you. It’s free too
Entered the lottery a couple days ago to see the violent femmes, and the lottery for patti labelle opens Sunday.
I have a friend who listens to the radio at work. When there’s a contest, she calls in. Gets tickets to everything, because who calls in to the radio nowadays?
I’m a live music junkie though. Open mic nights are one of my favorite things.
So thats pretty much as expected - 7 months ago it would have been ~$700 as predicted
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Baseline numbers compared to top end numbers don’t make sense. 700 vs 1050.
those numbers are likely aimed to be profitable not just now but for a while. if they raise the price with every manufacturing run people will lose trust.
The sad part is that Valve really did price all the parts for pretty much as low as they could go:
The hardware prices seem competitive. But the important note is hinting at the real form factor tax: It doesn’t have the same cost / performance ratio as a normally sized PC using the same hardware.
Well it’s little, competing in the little guy bracket.
Wtf? The 16g of ram costs almost as much as the gpu. I really hope my ram sticks don’t fail on me anytime soon.
This really reflects the reverse spiral gaming hardware has seen in recent years. The benchmarks are absolutely laughable for what you could get for the same price just a year ago. Go back 2 years and the gap is even larger. Gamers are being priced out by AI slop generators.
Now also consider that the Steam Machine also has a tiny form factor, extremely quiet cooling, and CEC over HDMI that make it exceptionally suited for a living room PC and it more than makes up for that $71 gap. It really is about as good a deal as it could have been in 2026, but most people are still comparing it against 2024 prices. I think the $99 Steam Controller having a bundle price of $79 shows that Valve really are trying to do what they can here.
Honestly the fact that were able to push sub-1.1k prices with the mess we have now, and at the same time they so SteamOS can be used on your own steam machine (as in made by you) makes me think they knew of the corner they walked in for a long time.
Bruh the lenovo desktop I got on ebay got more ram than that (32 gb ddr5)
When did you get it and for how much?
Op is full of shit my bet. I love collecting these refurbished lenovo corporate gadgets and 32gb ddr5 is extremely unlikely as I’ve never seen one. In general lenovo towers are not really usable for gaming but awesome home servers.
Plenty lenovo desktops and thinkpads with 32 gb ddr5 now. But yes, they’re not aimed for gaming
Kinda expensive at 1,000 usd but I guess it’s to be expected with current market conditions. I bought my 16gb refurb for like 250 just 2 years ago. Crazy difference.
I got it like 3 weeks ago I wanna say? Got it for like $900. Understandably, I’m getting downvoted because I’m comparing an office computer to a gaming device. I’m merely pointing out that RAM is incredibly expensive nowadays, to even build one on your own sourcing your own ddr5 ram is a PiTA
AI pushed gaming 10 years back
AI did a number to gaming, but truthfully, gaming technology was probably about to stand still anyway. Barely any studios can afford to make a game that’s so technologically advanced that it pushes our current hardware to its limits.
Oh please, plenty of games push my top tier hardware to its limits!
It’s just that they do it by not bothering to optimize their software.
The handful of companies that can afford to spend $100M+? Sure. There are only so many of those, and plenty of them go bankrupt after spending that much.
Yet AI will actually be good at optimizing software, and might help push devs to do so. Both stifling and assisting.
And the GPU makers were already approaching a plateau around the first RTX cards.
Node shrinks have dried up. Gamers got use to those handing them major leaps.
Gaming isn‘t standing still though, it‘s reverting. You can‘t get the same hardware you got 5 years ago for the same price anymore. Hardware ALWAYS got cheaper until recently. This is truly unprecedented.
You’re probably right…
As an optimist, I really hope this hardware crunch leads to a greater focus on polish and optimization. I feel like a lot of development studios have let specs inflate to cover being unwilling to focus on building their games efficiently. It can feel crazy when you start comparing specs on games from different studios.
As a realist, I imagine we’re just going to have a lot more cloud gaming services and that may just end up being the norm. I’m still waiting for a AAA publisher to start releasing their games exclusively to cloud platforms, probably first as a pre-release or early access bonus of some sort. I have my money on Ubisoft as the first big one if they manage to keep it together as a company.
As an anarchist, I’ve been looking into selling all my electronics and investing in some farmland.
As a realist, I don’t see any way cloud gaming services are an option that customers en masse will be willing to pay what the providers have to charge to make a profit. Stadia was not that long ago, and Google couldn’t make it work under what had to be a softball toss for that business model.
Don’t forget the latency. I can barely tolerate streaming between my PC and Deck witg Sunlight/Moonlight.
There’s a lot of companies thinking about it that are big enough that they don’t have to profit immediately. I think they’re mostly waiting to see Geforce Now raise prices and enshittify more. My prediction is we’ll have the various datacenter providers giving more deals on compute to make use of wasted cycles, maybe leading to various services renting that compute and dynamically tuning quality based on current cost. I.e., high performance gaming during off-peak hours and degraded performance during AI peak hours. Time limits will definitely become more frustrating.
Google might jump back in then if they didn’t have to run the service. For them, I think they exited because they established that they’d have to actually support the product if they wanted it to grow and there is nothing they hate more. Part of me feels like the dystopian future we’re heading to may be publisher based subscription passes similar to xbox game pass but more focused and providing drastically less value.
I think I’m out though, I don’t have to buy a battlepass for the chickens and if support ends I get to make curry.
The wife and I keep tossing around the idea of buying some land and simplifying/becoming semi-sustainable. Unfortunately, even bareland is a premium in the areas we are looking
From experience, if you do, take a very long look at your neighbors. I almost ended up with what I now realize was suspiciously cheap land down the street from a cockfighting operation.
As did Covid.
Would be nice if it pushed back 20 years before steam become so popular
I’ll throw steam os on my mini PC and just pretend it’s a steam machine. I knew they were going to break $1k but yeesh, breaking it AND only 512gb is tough
I’d recommend Bazzite over SteamOS. Even if I was buying a Steam Machine, I would still just use Bazzite.
Edit: just to clarify because I made this post hastily that I would only suggest Bazzite for power users. SteamOS is just fine for a lot of folks.
Why’s that
I daily drive Bazzite and I’m not fully in agreement. If you’re doing non-Steam games or emulation, or desktop stuff, on AMD hardware Bazzite is the winner IMO because it ‘ships’ with that stuff preconfigured in a way steam os doesn’t and Bazzite has something very similar to big picture mode for AMD. Hardware compatibility is probably still better out of the box with Bazzite too.
If you’re only playing Steam games on the TV Steam OS is arguably better.
I’d after with this.
Even if I was buying a Steam Machine, I would still just use Bazzite.
They both run Arch, both are capable of running KDE & Gnome DE, both are immutable but only one will get dedicated support from the manufacturer and developer.The use of HDMI CEC is not typical for desktop environments, I doubt you’ll get the same “sleep” functionality on Bazzite.
They both run Arch
No, Bazzite is based on Fedora. SteamOS is based on Arch. Maybe you had Bazzite confused with CachyOS?
Yup my bad, I have striked it out of my previous comment.
I should specify that Bazzite is really just for power users or tinkerers. It has a lot better capabilities.
Like others have said that of all you’re doing is playing games SteamOS is fine.
I doubt you’ll get the same “sleep” functionality on Bazzite.
The Bazzite community is fantastic. I’m sure they can figure that out.
Rough timing. My entire gaming PC cost less than this and is much more powerful, judging by the specs. But I built it out with 32 GB RAM and a few terrabytes of SSDs and NVMe before the current silicon panic, and just upgraded the GPU last year before the prices increased.
I don’t see how there was any way of winning for Valve on this with the current market. It’s not worth the cost, but there’s also likely no way they could make it cheaper.
yeah I’m fine with my DDR 4 32 gig laptop. I bought it before I became homeless and the thing is good for what I need.
I’m still on 32 GB DDR4 as well, running a Ryzen 5600x and RX 9070 GPU. I was planning to potentially upgrade to a new mobo/CPU/RAM this year or next year, but I just have no reason to upgrade now, between the prices and the fact that I’ve had no issues even with recent UE5 games like Expedition 33 at 1440p/UW and in some cases up to 4k resolutions for slightly older stuff. It runs everything just fine for my purposes, and the whole system is really power efficient for the performance, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it hit above 350w total power.
Gamersnexus shows a comparison with the Steam Machine getting 93 fps on Resident Evil 4 remake at 1080p with “priorize graphics” setting, while my GPU (Sapphire Pulse 9070) hits 275 fps on the same settings. Can’t complain.
It’s not worth the cost.
For those of us with already existing hardware, but Gamer’sNexus showed that a system built today with comparable specs costs about the same.
If you’re building a system today you’re staring down the exact same Sam Altman shaped wall that Valve is.
I literally spec’d out a much more powerful system in another comment here for around $950.
It’s only equivalent if you absolutely need a micro/mini PC.
Yea your spec was about the same as Gamers Nexus, theirs (and yours) DIY spec wasn’t much more powerful than the steam machine:
Here’s the video talking about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66QzlDewigE
How long ago did you buy that? Because things have changed.
Yeah, I’m fully aware. Did I not say I built it out before the current silicon panic?
The build was rolling as I caught sales and I didn’t get all the parts at once. It was up and running from parts bought late 2022 and 2023, but I upgraded my RAM from 16 GB (2x8) to 32 GB (4x8) in 2024, and upgraded my GPU in 2025 (RX 6700XT to RX 9070). The additional SSDs and NVMe were bought between 2023 and 2024 as well (system currently has 4x 1 TB SSD, and a 1 TB NVMe).
but there’s also likely no way they could make it cheaper.
Valve ceo owns an entire fleet of mega yachts, i’m sure there’s a lot of room to cut profits there and make their products cheaper
It could or should have been around 700-800. We must be thankful AI companies that it is how it is now.
I’m still getting one but this is clearly a luxury item now rather than a competitive console. Sucks to be Valve here, the timing really worked against them.
I just really hope the VR headset is not much worse than this as I just want to play No Man’s Sky on linux VR.
Playing No Man’s Sky on VR (PSVR) was my favorite VR experience.
I just want to play No Man’s Sky on linux VR.
Should work already https://www.protondb.com/app/275850 if you have a Valve Index and a good gaming Linux desktop.
Yes with recent Steam VR Beta branch I got my Quest 3 to work but it takes like 5 attempts to get it working and you have to restart either pc or vr device every attempt. It’s very close though! By the time the VR device actually drops Valve will probably fix Steam VR on linux.
Give wivrn or alvr a shot. Wivrn doesn’t use steamvr at all but your games will still work, maybe even run better.
Thanks, I’ve tried both with no luck but I’m on an immutable linux distro and there are some fixes but it’s a real time sink.
Very finicky but feasible. Yes I imagine once the Frame is out that’ll be a lot more convenient and reliable.
The foviated rendering is what I’m really excited about. NMS has a lot of menus in inventory management etc and it’s surprisingly tiring in VR.
Ah yes, makes sense. Well overall if there is a lot of text it’s tiring anyway. Maybe if you are already familiar with the content skimming is OK.
Yeah, I live in a small space so the steam deck is my only gaming device. Never tried VR but was considering the steam frame just for the big screen experience.
The timing here really fucked valve. They announced these products around the same moment that component prices went through the fuckin roof. Hopefully the price will drop in a year or so
Funny, cause whilst its very pricey, i spent more than this on my phone. And most flagship phones cost about the lower end of this. But because i get my phone essentially interest free over a 4 year contract i somehow justify the cost without thinking too much about the fact that i spent 1500 quid on a small slab of glass and metal.
Maybe i need to rethink my grasp on the concept of money.
Maybe i need to rethink my grasp on the concept of money
Yes
Actually that’s a good point I hadn’t thought about. My phone’s way more expensive than this and way less powerful, although in fairness my phone does have a screen, speakers, and a bunch of gyro sensors that this doesn’t have.
interest free
Here its interest free only if you switch providers every 2 years which is the length of the contract. In that time you get discount on mobile services so that you pay the same as you would at discount providers. Otherwise they get you at the price of mobile services. Still a very good deal indeed.
Most people use their phones far more than their consoles and mid range phones literally exist around 300-400 price point. The SM is optimized but the hardware is not on a ‘flagship’ level.
So IMO the comparison is not totally fair.
I see your point. Do you not think it is fair to say that there are mid range PCs at the 3 to 400 mark? I bought my pc for 500 around 6 or 7 uears ago and its only just showing its age. However most phones dont last 6 or 7 years without being crippled by more intensive software and OS updates or breaking physically or having their battery become useless.
The pc is a better investment in terms of longevity at the same price point and is upgradable part by part. Unlike 99% of mobile phones.
I think its a relatively fair comparison and to be fair to me i was only musing. I hadnt given it more thought than just improving the comparison off the top of my head.
I think it is fair but slightly different. I also have a 1k PC or so that just gets by. But I wouldn’t place it in my living room and you would not have the great integrwtion of steamos.
Honestly the price would have been OK if it wasn’t for the price hikes of RAM. That tipped the scale over.
I’m glad they are doing a random selection of people who sign up who can order one, way better than the first come first served model that gives all the product to bots/scalpers (like the say in their reasoning).
Price seems reasonable for what you get in this current market ;(
It’s a brutal time to be releasing hardware like this.
GPU prices, RAM, SSDs, all inflated through the roof.
This should have been the price of a PS5 Pro, with the performance of a PS5 and it’s not even that.
I still want the Frame, but only because my OG Rift died a couple of months back. I really don’t want to have to go crawling back to Meta for a Quest 3 when I see the price of the Frame, but I’m not optimistic. They really need a reduced spec Frame that just does the streaming portion. With RAM and GPU prices as they are, that would at least make some sense.
Have you seen PS5 Pro prices lately? $900?
Mental innit? First gen I’ve ever seen where price of hardware went up…
The price does spook me about the Frame, but I may get it out of desperation no matter the cost because like you said, there’s no way in hell I’d buy a Meta product. I absolutely loved my Quest 2, before Meta pushed all that metaverse shit and made the thing unbootable.
I’ll be buying the Frame no matter what.
I also had the OG Rift but since I moved to Linux it’s been nothing more than a paperweight.
I could go to Meta, but I honestly don’t want to do that to myself. The way I see it, the Frame is the only way I get to keep a small amount of privacy and dignity in this world which increasingly has neither.
So I’m saving up my pennies.
Should I even try to build a PC for $1000 or just give up at this point?
For $1k you could do quite better than the Steam Machine (though not mini-sized). Just spec’d out a build on Amazon with AM4 and you’ve got options:
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$55 - Thermaltake 700w PSU
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$90 - Corsair 4000D case (I have one of these, good airflow and easy build space). This is a place you could skimp to save a few bucks, e.g. - this case is $55
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$130 - Cheap 1 TB SSD (went with Timetec, apparently Fikwot is okay too, seems to be a SSD parts manufacturer that started selling direct)
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$85 - B550 ATX mobo
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$130 - G.Skill 16 GB DDR4 3200
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$175 - Ryzen 5 5600 XT OR Ryzen 7 5700 (5600 is faster but 6c/12t, 5700 lower core speed, but 8c/16t. I have a 5600x, no complaints)
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$279 or $290 - RX 7600 GPU, or RTX 5050 (up to preference. The 7600 is generally comparable or slightly better overall, but you will see much better with it on Linux. On Windows the 5050 might be the better choice)
Total cost: About $950 (or $915 with the cheaper case), which leaves a bit of overhead to get a cheap cooler for the CPU (optional since it comes with one), and/or additional case fan(s).
Edit - to be clear, you can probably do better than this. I just browsed prices and parts on Amazon, but you might be able to find parts cheaper on https://pcpartpicker.com/ or by purchasing used parts on eBay.
For example, the Ryzen 5 5600x can be found for around $125 on Ebay, that’s $50 savings. And slower DDR4 RAM (2600 base speed) can be found for as low as $65 on Ebay, though I’m not sure if that’s a compromise I’d make, up for debate.
If you want it to be like a Steam Machine, you should definitely go for the AMD GPU so you can run Steam OS on it.
Good point. Though personally I prefer running EndeavourOS, I like having an up-to-date kernel and mesa improvements. With regard to the 7600 vs 5050, I was recommending the 7600 because of the recent improvements for VRAM prioritization on 8GB GPUs on Linux.
Since SteamOS is Arch based (same as endeavour) shouldn’t it also have up to date kernel and mesa?
Maybe should, but it doesn’t. Current kernel is 6.16 as of the SteamOS update 3.8 last week. Endeavour is up to 7.0.12. SteamOS is always a few versions behind.
SteamOS takes snapshots of Arch and spends months testing and bug fixing for their hardware
It doesn’t pull directly from Arch
The fixes should mostly still get pushed upstream though
The context of my comment was the previous poster thinking SteamOS should be up-to-date due to being Arch based.
I was explaining why it’s so far behind
Yeah I was looking at mostly similar parts, but squeezing for a 9060xt. I got to a little less than $1200 on an am5 platform with all new stuff, or $1000 using used ddr4 and ssd on an am4 platform, but still with the 9060xt
I couldn’t squeeze in the 9060 XT (specifically the 16 GB variant) for under $1k, though if you went with the used parts I mentioned and the cheaper case it should fit the budget. I’m impressed with what you can still do for around $1k today, it’s really just the RAM and SSD prices that hurt the build.
I’d actually be fine with the build I posted, only main difference with mine now is I have a RX 9070 GPU and 32 GB RAM, but I don’t play much that takes advantage of it. I mostly just play indies and retro emulation on my Steam Deck, and only use the rig for the few more intensive games, and for co-op gaming with my wife.
Just my $0.02, but my DDR4 system with a 9070XT is doing alright. But I also don’t play competitive FPS, so ymmv
hey, so i suck at picking parts and never know if they’ll fit my build. like, my first job was as a hardware guy back in the 90s and haven’t really kept up. is there a compatibility checker somewhere?
i just don’t want to buy 12 PSUs with the intention of sending 11 back. I know I’m buying from A cOrPoRaTiOn but it still seems dishonest to me
Avoid any random generic Chinese named stuff. Go with legit brands like Thermaltake, Corsair, Cooler Master, EVGA, Seagate, and so on, and if budget allows, get one that’s at least Bronze rated (Silver or Gold is better, but not necessary). If budget doesn’t allow, white certified is fine, but don’t cheap out near capacity.
Use a PSU calculator for the parts you’re selecting. Power supplies are rated to always provide consistent load of at least 80% of rated spec if they’re rated at least white certified (better for Bronze, Silver, and Gold), so aim for a PSU with at least 20% overhead. So if the system uses 600w peak, you’ll want a 720w PSU or better.
In general, an 800w PSU is generally more than enough for most systems, unless you’re buying really power hungry parts (think Nvidia 5080 or 5090 and the highest end Intel chips or AMD threadrippers).
If in doubt, just buy a bigger PSU than you need, like 1000w. Always better to have more than you need, it only uses what the system requires, it’s not like it’s always actually going to draw that 1kw power.
Thank you for the detailed advice. I cheaped out on my psu on my last build and figured it wouldn’t hurt too much.
Oh, past me, you sweet summer child.
i suck at picking parts and never know if they’ll fit my build
Just use pcpartpicker.com
It’s very good at telling you if parts aren’t compatible.
thanks! i’ll give it a try next upgrade
Funny you should post this list. I made a nearly identical spec for my potential upgrade from a 2019 intel pc to a 2021 amd pc in order to keep the ram. Looks like i’ll have to ride these memory sticks until the wheels fall off.
Please don’t buy a Corsair case
Why not? The 4000D is solid.
Ok my bias, sorry shouldn’t have written that. I had very poor experiences with corsaire products, especially while assembling a PC in one of their cases.
Gotcha. The 4000D is easy to build in and very roomy. It’s also got great airflow on the mesh front variant.
I had it running a ESXi server for a while, it’s currently in my closet and planned as my case whenever I eventually upgrade. I currently use a HAF XB Evo it feels like I’ve outgrown, but unless I’m actually changing parts I don’t feel like messing with it.
Sweet!
You can go up to a 5060Ti 8gb for $370 and get +45% more GPU performance compared to a 5050 (which was already better than a steam machine) and still stay under the budget for a steam machine. The 9060 XT 8gb is also about the same price on the other side of the aisle.
Ultimately, this will likely be the road I take. I just haven’t owned a PC in like 15 years and building one feels daunting because mistakes would be too costly. I know it’s not that hard though, I’ll just watch a few YouTube tutorials.
Is that power supply any good?
Thermaltake makes good stuff.
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You can still build a pretty great pc for a little over $1000, though there are some compromises imo. You can get under the $1000 mark if you’re willing to make some more compromises and/or do a mix of new and used parts. But either way you can get way more performance than the steam machine for the money, though maybe not in as svelte a package.
Can’t wait for ram prices to come down after the crash.
And if something breaks you get a fast and easy response with the steam machine. Not at all fast nor easy if you’re buying from multiple vendors.
The 300 bucks of better parts I could be getting is entirely worth my never having to diagnose or repair parts myself.
This is a fair point, although you’re making an assumption. How has steam’s support been for their hardware thus far?
i promise i’m not sealioning, i’ve never had to deal with their customer support in over a decade. Which is the epitome of the IT paradox, so like, I’m inclined to think it’s good.
I first got my Steam Deck 2-3 weeks after they started shipping. Unfortunately the “Y” button wasn’t triggering consistently. I sent it in to Valve for warranty repairs without issue, though it took 3-4 weeks to get back.
Also fun fact, in the time it took to get back I learned how to juggle because I was bored
That sounds like the kind of customer support that my vape has. And I love my vape company for two reasons. They make great delicious smelling vapes and have excellent customer support. It just takes time to ship your stuff in for repairs.
i’m waiting until either the dollar halves in value so a $1000 PC is worth $500 or the market sanes out, hopefully via blood clot or something
EDIT WAIT THAT’S NOT HOW MONEY WORKS DAMMIT
8 GB VRAM :(
16 GB RAM :(
Just compared the storage price jump to the current iPad Pro.
512gb to 2tb Steam Machine + £270 (£90 per 512gb) 512gb to 2tb iPad Pro + £800 (£267 per 512gb)
That’s straight up robbery from Apple.
Yea dawg we have known for the last decade :-))
Oh, I know. It was true when I bought my first MacBook in '07. It’s just rough to see it in such stark numbers like that.
Looking at the upgrading pricing on a Mac Studio - which is the closest analogue to the Steam Machine - the pricing is only slightly better at £200/500gb. Still criminal though.
Atleast Macbooks sometimes get discounted very early if the config or color (even silver?!) is not popular. That makes the 1TB model sometimes pretty good value for a brand new chip.
I like ARM and the efficiency of apple silicon but yeah the price increase for better RAM or SSD is very steep.
Their profits are enormous, this is why. People are wiling to pay because they have these luxary stores, luxary brand. Then they can charge much more. Its like a luxary clock.
You mean like one of those cool GShocks or like a fancy full balls out on display Swatch?
The £800 to upgrade the iPad Pro isn’t just paying for storage. The 1TB and 2TB iPad Pro have an extra CPU core and 4GB more RAM vs the lower storage tiers.
Ok, fair enough. That accounts for the difference in upgrade pricing between an iPad and a Mac.
But what accounts for the other £110 between the same upgrade on a Steam Machine and a Mac?
Apple could use higher quality drives, or have to pay a premium for being weird and buying controller-less drives, but yes, a big part of the difference is probably just higher profit margins.
Apple raised prices on a bunch of stuff today, and the iPad Pro upgrade is now £900.
I wanted one, but not for this much. Glad I got the first gen steam deck when I could. Steam deck + dock is pretty much the same thing.
I’m also glad I got the first Gen SteamDeck for launch pricing but it’s in just about zero ways the same as a Steam Machine, unless you just mean they’re both PCs running SteamOS, as that’s about all they have in common.
I mean, I am comforting myself by saying what I already have is good enough which is why I don’t need the steam machine. I know they are not the same.
Yeah, I’m definitely in the same boat. Would I love a Steam Machine? Sure. For $1050 can I continue plugging the HDMI from my desktop into the TV? Also very much yes.
Same with legion go s, was great on sale for 400 (440 with tax), now its near 1000 retail, over with tax, great stable secondary computer
You don’t even need their $80 dock. Literally any usb-c standard will do
