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He is either not a US American, or the “Never Forget” nation forgot to properly teach him.
I live in one of those “never forget” nations that promised to never forget something… but it seems that we, too, managed to forget.
I feel you so much right now.
I guess we are all in the same boat… Errr land.
Wow, you live in Boaterland? Do you know Jimmy on the east side?
My parents were boat mormons, so what do you think? Of course I do know my brother Jimmy… I hate him.
Germany with AfD becoming the largest individual party?
Psssssst…
Damit besagte Personengruppen es vergessen könnten, müssten die es erstmal verstehen. Das würde Bildung erfordern und da wird dann schwierig… Wir haben kein Geld für Bildung. Das haben die Reichen.
It is more that the rich ensured that education focused primarily on the aesthetic horrors of fascism rather than its material origin. The impetus for bonapartist tendencies was never removed so it eventually returned as conditions necessitated. The rich could not admit it was the system they uphold and benefit from that gave rise to fascism without endangering their positions and implicating themselves.
I want to upvote the “aesthetic horrors” but it’s not “the rich”. It’s just human stupidity and laziness in trying to educate children.
you would be shocked to find out who writes and owns your textbook and course curriculums. Idk what textbooks are like in Europe exactly but american education is effectively propaganda when it comes to historical subjects. Tbh though, whether these things are owned and written by your government or private interests they are influenced by bourgeois politics and the historical perspective it creates. All of our retellings of history are influenced by the dominant ideology of their era.
Hallöchen.
When I was in schools, American history was Pilgrims, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, The Great Depression, and WWI. Then it was summer. We might have a school assembly in February to talk about MLK.
If you were to ask my teachers, American history goes revolutionary war, then nothing happens for awhile, then the civil war, then nothing happens for awhile, then WW1 had to happen so that we could have ourselves a WORLD WAR TWO! The four years that make up 9/10ths of American history. And then the Japanese signed the surrender on the deck of the USS Missouri and then stuff I-the boomer history teacher-personally remember so it legally can’t be history.
It’s so great that the US single handedly won the only war that ever happened in Asia. Good thing there hasn’t been any major conflict on that side of the world since then.
It’s kinda clear how the curriculum was designed, after all according to this class Japan was only discovered in 1939. Russia pops in an out of existence, Korea and Vietnam are fictional and Africa is where Egypt is.
I feel like it’s a bit unfair to single out America as being the only country who heavily skews their own nations history, or just completely bullshits their impacts on other nations…
Britain aint exactly being very clear about what the East India Trading Company was doing. Or the British Raj for that matter.
Japan still teaches WW2 history in the vaguest of terms without admitting any wrongdoing. Unit 731 is not apart of those lessons.
Not saying any of this is justified, just that nearly every nation does it. Everyone’s the hero of their own story.
Well and going back to my original point, US history class at least for me ended at 1946, when the UN UN-nazi’d the world forever after having defeated Charlie Chaplain. And I think it’s because much after that and the generations that were (and still fucking are god dammit) in control of curricula personally remember those events and thus refuse to label them as “history.” Because my 70 year lifespan is basically now, so if kids these days don’t remember the Tet Offensive that’s they’re own fault, god fuck 'em.
Did you finish school prior to 2001? Cuz, I mean, that’s everything I learned in school too at that time.
But my daughter is 13 now, and I can confirm that she has been formerly told about 9/11. I don’t think with as much detail as she will learn in her during her high school tenure, but she at least knows about it.
Oh yeah. I was in high school when 9/11 happened.
My son asked me if I learned about 9/11 in school … and I was like uh yes, in a way.
(I was sitting in my psych class watching it happen live)
Homeschooled…
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Well, the number of people talking about the 3 planes getting hijacked on another thread makes me think we’ve forgotten at least a little bit.
Many people are just alien tourists
I quit my first real job on 9/11. I watched the buildings go down, walked into the deli I hated working at and said, “life is too short.” Which for an 18 year old me was a pretty big move.
I had a job in Colorado at a small 20-30 person company, including two devout muslim immigrant men from Afghanistan. OMG, they were freaking the fuck out, thinking people were going to come drag them out of the office and murder them in the parking lot. Everybody had their back and tried to calm them down, but boy, they were so stressed out.
Americans went nuts after 9/11. It was weird how all of a sudden, it was ok to be openly racist. Up to then, I knew older people were racist, but were being shamed into keeping quiet and it was fading from younger generations, but 9/11 set all that back. They were right to be scared.
Had a French teacher in high school who was from Morocco, and Muslim. He had some pretty harrowing stories from the years following 9/11. Said the harassment started immediately that day, before he had even seen the news.
The most extreme of them involved him and his family being targeted at home with a drive-by shooting. Said some of the rounds missed his daughter by inches right where she was sleeping.
There were several different attacks, and attempted attacks, which varied in the level of violence, but all were random acts of opportunity during otherwise hum-drum quotidien activities, like grocery shopping and pumping gas. Literal IRL terrorism, but the perpetrators were always white so… y’know.
He recounted the feeling of being hunted as urban prey by bat-guano crazy rednecks…chilling.
That vibe quieted down by the 2010s, but now it’s come roaring back. MAGA is like three 9/11s in a trench coat.
I mean, if they were in Texas they probably have a reason to worry
they still had cause to worry in Colorado. people were fucking crazy
Very true
Not sure why you were downvoted. Looks like some people forgot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arab_racism
“In the United States, anti-Arab racism surged after the September 11 attacks, resulting in widespread racial profiling and hate crimes against Arab Americans.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arab_racism#United_States
“According to the FBI and Arab groups, the number of attacks against Arabs and Muslims, as well as others mistaken for them, rose considerably after the 9/11 attacks. Hate crimes against people of Middle Eastern origin or descent increased from 354 attacks in 2000, to 1,501 attacks in 2001. Among the victims of the backlash was a Middle Eastern man in Houston, Texas who was shot and wounded after an assailant accused him of “blowing up the country”, and four immigrants shot and killed by a man named Larme Price, who confessed to killing them as revenge for the September 11 attacks.”
Thank you!
May I ask, did you manage to find something that made you happy?
Oh hell yeah. I walked over to the pizza shop, got a job, and I’ve been doing pizza ever since (well, almost, I did repo for a while, too). It’s the best gig in the world. Thanks for asking, friend :)
Great! Happy you found what makes you happy! :D
I only know Seven Eleven. Had no idea they had competitors.
Wait till you hear about Seven Twelve.
But what about 6 7
Well, at least I made a lot of money on OT with that one…
what i kinda don’t get about this whole thing … is that kinda, in other countries (look at the middle east), they get bombed daily and none of you bats an eye (well, some do, but still, this has been going on for 50 years and i hardly ever hear anyone talking about it). meanwhile you get one terrorist attack and everyone’s supposed to lose their minds over this.
The US never gets attacked. There’s an ally to the north, an ally to the south, and two big fucking oceans to the east and west. So, when it does happen, it’s a pretty big deal.
Control the media, control the mind.
It’s not about the actual casualties and destruction, it’s about how you can spin it into your favour.
American Democracy got suckered for over 20 years to put oligarchs in power.
I mean, it’s a terrorist attack involving multiple simultaneous plane hijacks crashing into the center of one of the most populated cities in the world. Not that we should rank terrorism, but…
yeah and i find it weird how little attention is given to the symbolic targets … the World Trade Center was largely involved in establishing cross-country businesses … in other words, meddling within other country’s internal economics (often to the dismay of the local population). by far not all people in the world wanted free trade. so they attacked the free trade center … and that was a symbol against free trade, free trade being an unwanted thing by many other people around the globe because it meant the disruption of native economic systems, etc.
and yet that fact that free trade is not globally understood as something universally good, and that maybe there should be less of it, … i don’t think that i’ve ever heard any newspaper talk about that.
It’s just so blown up because it hurt american pride.
I lost 14 colleagues and none of them were American. Was the response overblown? Yes. But it’s called the “World” Trade center for a reason.
America has been punching and kicking countless countries since WWII, causing thousands if not millions of deaths (Iraqi “freedom” alone caused like 300.000 Iraqi deaths IIRC) and the second that somebody punches back and gives them a bloody nose its all crying and needing to make 50 movies about the heroes of that day, and of course it was immediately used to implement the “patriot” act (hint, it has shit to do with patriotism and everything with making the IS an autocratic state)
I get it, of course. For the individuals that died or were injured that day, it’s a tragedy, but as a country? They completely deserved it and much, much more
What it was used to justify is unforgivable, but please remember that a population of ~350m people is not a monolith. Our government is garbage, but many of us were aware of what was being done in the name of “national security” and protesting /voting against it at the time.
Americans … protesting
You’re kidding, right? If Americans are incapable of doing anything, its protesting. And don’t tell me about the sad “no kings” protests, that was nothing.
I know that many Americans, maybe even most, don’t agree with US policies, but that is the problem: you’ve allowed a tiny rich minority to abuse your and other countries for well over a century and you haven’t done shit to stop that. Its gone on for so long that most left wing people in the USA are still having right wing ideas because you dont even know better
“At the time” referring to Bush-era police state codification.
“No kings” responds with some shit that happened like a year ago.
K.
Do you think maybe there’s a way to phrase that where you’re not saying that 2,000 innocent people deserved to die?
It was well over 3000 IIRC, and I did. It was a tragedy for the individuals and nobody deserved it but as a country it was more than well deserved.
You could say the same for the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians that have been massacred over the past 7 decades by Israel with financial and arms support from the USA.
You could say the same about the 500.000+ Iraqis that have perished by operation desert storm
You could, bit you don’t
This is why I am saying that the individuals were innocent, but the nation is guilty as fuck. If the USA would be treated by it’s own rules on how it treats murder, it would have to kill itself over and over for thousands of years
And just on case you think I’m a tankie who just hates the USA, I’ll say the same for China, Russia, Israel, Iran, north Korea, and so on…
*One terrorost attack from your own government
Should we double check, and make sure he knows what Pearl Harbor was? And Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? And the Holocaust?
What? It’s not unreasonable to say he may have missed some key moments in history.
I only learned of this one from Behind the Bastards
Edit to add
On 3 December 1984, over 500,000 people in the vicinity of the Union Carbide India Limited pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India, were exposed to the highly toxic gas methyl isocyanate, in what is considered the world’s worst industrial disaster.[3] A government affidavit in 2006 stated that the leak caused approximately 558,125 injuries, including 38,478 temporary partial injuries and 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries.[4] Estimates vary on the death toll, with the official number of immediate deaths being 2,259.[5] Others estimate that 8,000 died within two weeks of the incident occurring, and another 8,000 or more died from gas-related diseases.[6] In 1989, Union Carbide Corporation (UCC) of the United States paid $470 million (equivalent to $1.03 billion in 2024) to settle litigation stemming from the disaster.[7]
Since I’ve come back from India I’ve sort of just been waiting to hear about an environmental disaster there. This makes sense.
a new environmental disaster or one of the usuals
Every single waterway was choked with plastic. Genuinely depressing.
Wdym
They burn plastic, Modi is killing/jailing climate change activists, and literally every single waterway I saw was choked with plastic. Every single animal I saw looked like it was on deaths door, aside from young animals - they didn’t look much better.
All in all, India is one of the most depressing places I’ve ever had the displeasure of visiting. Any change the west tries to make regarding the climate will be instantly wiped out by a country like India. I would call the whole country an environmental catastrophe if it weren’t for places like Kerala, which if I’m not mistaken is also just fucked now.
Did meeting great people and eating delicious food at least mean it wasn’t all bad?
I have never had worse food poisoning, and the people were nice but I can’t say that I actually ‘met’ anyone. I can say that I had a decent conversation with a Kashmiri man who really only wanted to sell me his stuff (got a magnetic chessboard and a scarf, the interaction was genuinely the highlight of the 10 days), and an uber driver who was very kind but struggled with English. Oh, none of them would address my girlfriend by the way - it was only me, the man. That alongside the animals made her particularly depressed.
The people were the most depressing part, for me. I know that wealth inequality is bad here in the states, but seeing it somewhere like India is just… eye opening. It can get a whole hell of a lot worse here, if a place like India is any indication (no pun intended).
We studied that in university from a industrial and aviation safety expert. Its really worth reading how that shit came about. The human stupidity on this was recklessness on steroids.
One example: the siren that should be used to evacuate all personnel was used daily to call employees to lunch.
You can imagine how that ended.
To be fair 9/11 is probably going to be forgotten about way sooner
It’s not too relevant for a school history lesson because it didn’t have too many consequences except for the Iraq war
uncomfortable afghanistan noises
The whole TSA security theater in airports came about because of 9/11. Air travel was much different before that, just walk through a simple metal detector and anyone can go all the way up to the gate to greet or send off your traveling friend/family.
Naninjing, dresden, tokio bombing, pol pot… there is no shortage of atrocicites.
So thing about history, too recent history isn’t taught. Because the system is made around your parents teaching you what they went through.
The first 3 are American, I could see a foreigner not knowing. My sister is a teacher in Europe and she says none of her students knew about the Holocaust. These are teenagers. I think maybe we might be fucked as a species.
a teacher in Europe
…like, all of it?
But more to the point, I call bullshit. I cannot think of a country in Europe where the Holocaust is not well known.
I really hope she was bullshitting me but she seemed serious. This is in Bulgaria.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are in Japan?
It was an American attack, American history goes into much more detail about it than across the pond.
America attacked Pearl Harbor?
Uhhhhhh, I wouldn’t classify Hiroshima and Nagasake as “Disasters in American history”.
I’d say they are “Disasters in Japanese history”.
Not as a species, just as workers under capitalism
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Like lots of muricans forget about minsk and go neanerthal about russia. Happens a lot
I would like to offer some perspective to the Americans upset the world doesn’t revolve around them. And share a terrorist act from my country, that I know you lot won’t know about.
But most of you lot celebrate the party that did it so, maybe it won’t land well.
Omagh Bombing.
“Most” Americans don’t celebrate the IRA. Most Americans don’t even know what the IRA is other than a retirement account.
The ones that do know generally support the UK in that whole mess. The IRA is literally a designated terrorist group in the US.
Bit of stretch to say “most Americans” celebrate the IRA. I do understand the IRA is memed in Libertarian gun culture.
The Omagh bombing showcases how indiscriminate violence is fucking horrible, in both how it affects so many people and turns many more against your cause.
On this platform I have seen so many Americans try and justify incidents like the Omagh bombing and the actions of the various IRA groups in general.
Even now. You just had to include the “turns many more against your cause.” As a closing argument.
Rather than just leave it at “innocent people dying is a bad thing”.
On this platform people profess disdain American capitalism and war machine constantly. 9/11 was an attack against both does ideologies, yet I don’t see much of any support for Al Queda. I was alluding to that.
I think this is a fair way to look at it. I don’t watch the news much so I don’t know what goes on in other countries either
Let me guess, you’re Russian or Israeli?
lots of people have been bombed all around the world, not just “russian or israeli”
I am a dog using the internet while the humans are away at work.
Northern Irish.
Never forget 1973/9/11!
Poor Chile! They didnt deserve that one. Cant say the same about to the U.S though.
Did he go to a Waldorf school? I heard that’s a thing. Like they just collectively tried to keep kids from knowing about it.
Remember remember the 11th of September… wait that doesn’t sound right
Of Jet fuel and steel beams
Definitely not right… But we can make it work
The equivalent would be someone in 2001 not knowing something that happened in 1976.
Don’t make me feel older
Well, I was in the third grade when 9/11 happened, and there was never any kind of formal education about it, because we had all just experienced it. Kids just a few years younger than me wouldn’t remember it at all, but likely still wouldn’t have learned about it in school yet. That’s probably where this guy falls
I had to do a bunch of my own learning about the gulf war. Similarly, it happened before I was born but recent enough that history teachers didn’t consider it history. I now think it set the stage for a lot of the US geopolitically and I really should’ve learned about it in school.
If you want to tell our response to it through comedy, I suggest the Seanbaby article The Nation that Freaked Out http://www.seanbaby.com/news/terrorism.htm
2001 or 1973?
Did ya tell him how much people went in circles trying to explain who did it but it was really territorial control and we kept switching who did it and then killed Osama bin Laden as a world distraction.
What happened?
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But the ones in here comparing it to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Holocaust need to get some perspective. It was a pivotal moment and a serious reality check for the Americans, but it was not the Holocaust.
I’d argue we broke from reality after 9/11. Started 2 futile wars, passed the Patriot act, militarized the police, the rise of 24/7 “News” channels and Fox in particular.
Absolutely. The hot war was raging on the other side of the world, while the psychological war was being fought against their own people (who in the end lost)
Some American heros crashed a plane
Literally yes (in the sense that they were the proximal cause of the crash, not the ones flying).
“It was a tragedy. We lost 19 of our best guys.”
Kumail Nanjani, The Big Sick
