I know no one on Lemmy likes Jubilee and I don’t either, but I still watch it every now and again.
Last month there was a Gen Z politician vs Boomers and one of the old guys was talking about how student loan forgiveness shouldn’t be done. The politician says you won’t feel it. The Boomer said, they would because of the numbers of the ledger, politician says you’ll feel it due to the all the people being able to contribute to the economy properly and giving it a huge boost. Boomer says him or his wife had their loans forgiven and it was a huge help, but that not everyone should get it.
Jubilee is a conservative channel, that pretends to be on “both sides” they showed thier true colors when they host conservatives, magats , and even charlie kirk, to debate “woke” people, usually its 20 people vs the left all the time.
Hell, we all pay for other people’s healthcare now! When people go to the emergency room and can’t afford to pay, the hospitals crank up the cost of everyone else’s healthcare to make up for it. We have literally the least cost effective system possible.
I sometimes wonder if my MAGA Dad has had a change of heart.
He used to be against universal healthcare because he “doesn’t want to pay for some homeless addicts healthcare”.
But now he’s been laid off and 6 months unemployed as a tech worker. I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate it being pointed out that he’s living the stereotype he stigmatized for so many years. Or how slippery the slope is to homelessness.
You’re already paying for everyone else’s healthcare. Medicare for all would just make it cheaper and simpler.
What do you think happens when somebody walks into a hospital with no insurance? Do they just turn them away? No. Who do you think pays for that? You do. It’s paid for in the markup of your hospital bill.
there’s usually a ‘process’ and qualifications to get the bill covered by whatever ‘community care’ program the facility has.
they will absolutely produce an invoice and expect payment or ‘arrangements’ upon discharge (which could include application for community care benefit).
they will also absolutely send that billing to a collections agency as well. one of the hospitals near me sends a lot of their uninsured or underinsured billing that would never qualify for assistance to collections without making more than a token effort to get paid first… my boss even had a message on their home voice mail waiting for her when she got home from having an outpatient procedure done.
As evil as for-profit health insurance is, it’s actually heavily regulated. These Christian coop schemes are not and can absolutely scam people and not pay out at all for reasons like not having evidence of adhering to a strict moral code (skipped church too many Sundays? Yeah that’s a violation, coverage voided). And when they retroactively decide the person isn’t Christlike enough there’s little recourse for the patient.
It’s even more stupid than that. They’re not even paying for their own healthcare. If you arrive in hospital and need several million pounds worth of medical treatment, there’s no quibbling about whether or not you paid that much in they just get on with it.
The vast majority of people who suddenly require major surgery you actually pay considerably less over the course of a life paying via taxes then you ever would pay for private healthcare, also because it’s the government just funding itself they don’t make random numbers up when it comes to billing, it costs what it cost.
I don’t think it’s that. Or at least not always that. I’ve met plenty of boomers that think they worked hard and earned their healthcare and it’s unfair that others would get it for “free”. They’re so brainwashed into tying healthcare to their jobs instead of it just being a human right.
Especially because it’s the backwards hicks who tend to be the least healthy
There’s a part of me that would happily let them die as a result of their stupidity, but I believe even more strongly that universal health care should be universal
Let them opt out if they want to once it’s explained to them that it’s “socialised medicine” and is a leftist idea
reagans intelligence is a stretch, he mostly had progressive symptoms of alzheimers around that that time, it is believed that nancy throat goat reagan and his cabinet was just pulling his strings 100% of the time.
can you imagine trans people getting healthcare? atrocious. and the poor? how will their billionaire daddies feel special if everyone gets the same healthcare
Yeah this is the thing people seem not to literally get.
The MAGA cult is literally driven and animated by irrational hatred.
Its a cult.
You can’t reason with this kind of thinking and get anywhere. You can try, and you can win the debate, and it will not matter.
You’d have to deprogram/reeducate these people, or, do what Republicans have always done with their core demo, and manipulate them based on their fears and hatreds.
Logic is ineffective.
They’re not like you, who can likely be convinced you are wrong about something via sufficient reason, and then change yourself.
They cannot do this, the remaining, core MAGA cult. By now, everyone with any sense has abandoned the cult or is going full-in on being a corrupt grifter… the mass that remains is not capable of meaningfully reasoning.
Back to an article quote from his first term ‘hes not hurting the right people’. Lol like they’re people to Trump as a narcissist. They can be votes they can be subjects but never a person, unless you give him tons of cash to use, and ton meaning for him as a billionaire, made off of the US coffers and influence. Not that the influence has as much pull anymore due to him squeezing it with his tiny hands.
for magas, the healthcare isn’t the bad part, it’s the “everyone” that makes them furious
It’s the old “why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare???”.
They’re too dumb to realize everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.
“Why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare?”
Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.
Like their children that for some reason won’t visit or call during the holidays.
My wife works in long term care and I can say this: the more “conservative” inmates get visited significantly less than your “liberal” ones…
I know no one on Lemmy likes Jubilee and I don’t either, but I still watch it every now and again.
Last month there was a Gen Z politician vs Boomers and one of the old guys was talking about how student loan forgiveness shouldn’t be done. The politician says you won’t feel it. The Boomer said, they would because of the numbers of the ledger, politician says you’ll feel it due to the all the people being able to contribute to the economy properly and giving it a huge boost. Boomer says him or his wife had their loans forgiven and it was a huge help, but that not everyone should get it.
Man, these fucking people.
Jubilee is a conservative channel, that pretends to be on “both sides” they showed thier true colors when they host conservatives, magats , and even charlie kirk, to debate “woke” people, usually its 20 people vs the left all the time.
Are there any channels you would consider non conservative that allow debates between racist talkshow hosts and non racist talkshow hosts?
The BBC, perhaps. Still conservative, but compared to some US networks they’re practically three Lenin’s in a trenchcoat
Hell, we all pay for other people’s healthcare now! When people go to the emergency room and can’t afford to pay, the hospitals crank up the cost of everyone else’s healthcare to make up for it. We have literally the least cost effective system possible.
I sometimes wonder if my MAGA Dad has had a change of heart. He used to be against universal healthcare because he “doesn’t want to pay for some homeless addicts healthcare”.
But now he’s been laid off and 6 months unemployed as a tech worker. I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate it being pointed out that he’s living the stereotype he stigmatized for so many years. Or how slippery the slope is to homelessness.
hes going to do mental gymnasitcs,“im not one of those people, i worked 100k+/year job for decades, and i deserved it”. if he was a diehard magat.
These people NEED this pointed out to them. It’s the only way they ever change their perspectives. It must affect them, otherwise they never change.
You’re already paying for everyone else’s healthcare. Medicare for all would just make it cheaper and simpler.
What do you think happens when somebody walks into a hospital with no insurance? Do they just turn them away? No. Who do you think pays for that? You do. It’s paid for in the markup of your hospital bill.
there’s usually a ‘process’ and qualifications to get the bill covered by whatever ‘community care’ program the facility has.
they will absolutely produce an invoice and expect payment or ‘arrangements’ upon discharge (which could include application for community care benefit).
they will also absolutely send that billing to a collections agency as well. one of the hospitals near me sends a lot of their uninsured or underinsured billing that would never qualify for assistance to collections without making more than a token effort to get paid first… my boss even had a message on their home voice mail waiting for her when she got home from having an outpatient procedure done.
i like how the christian “health/dental” plans are exactly like actual insurance from like companies like cigna,aetna,delta-care,etc.
As evil as for-profit health insurance is, it’s actually heavily regulated. These Christian coop schemes are not and can absolutely scam people and not pay out at all for reasons like not having evidence of adhering to a strict moral code (skipped church too many Sundays? Yeah that’s a violation, coverage voided). And when they retroactively decide the person isn’t Christlike enough there’s little recourse for the patient.
i was about to add, that they can choose not to cover anything.
It’s even more stupid than that. They’re not even paying for their own healthcare. If you arrive in hospital and need several million pounds worth of medical treatment, there’s no quibbling about whether or not you paid that much in they just get on with it.
The vast majority of people who suddenly require major surgery you actually pay considerably less over the course of a life paying via taxes then you ever would pay for private healthcare, also because it’s the government just funding itself they don’t make random numbers up when it comes to billing, it costs what it cost.
Pound like a pound of fat, if so can it come from the belly area, they have tons over there. /S
Everyone else minus a select few parasites who instead make their healthcare vastly more expensive to balance it out – the American way. 🇵🇷🦅⛪🗽🔫🎆
They’ve never heard of communicable diseases either.
I don’t think it’s that. Or at least not always that. I’ve met plenty of boomers that think they worked hard and earned their healthcare and it’s unfair that others would get it for “free”. They’re so brainwashed into tying healthcare to their jobs instead of it just being a human right.
Especially because it’s the backwards hicks who tend to be the least healthy
There’s a part of me that would happily let them die as a result of their stupidity, but I believe even more strongly that universal health care should be universal
Let them opt out if they want to once it’s explained to them that it’s “socialised medicine” and is a leftist idea
They won’t, because they’re filthy hypocrites
It’s the Southern Strategy, but without Nixon’s charm or Reagan’s intelligence.
reagans intelligence is a stretch, he mostly had progressive symptoms of alzheimers around that that time, it is believed that nancy throat goat reagan and his cabinet was just pulling his strings 100% of the time.
I think that’s the joke, Reagan was senile but charming and Nixon had no charm but was cunning
I read that as a joke - Nixon wasn’t exactly known for his charisma either. Both were known for the other, iirc
can you imagine trans people getting healthcare? atrocious. and the poor? how will their billionaire daddies feel special if everyone gets the same healthcare
usually welfare has been stereotyped for people of AA descent and poor.
It’s shocking more people aren’t furious at having healthcare tied to a job. It’s a shackle. Coersion. A keep this particular job, or else.
Yeah this is the thing people seem not to literally get.
The MAGA cult is literally driven and animated by irrational hatred.
Its a cult.
You can’t reason with this kind of thinking and get anywhere. You can try, and you can win the debate, and it will not matter.
You’d have to deprogram/reeducate these people, or, do what Republicans have always done with their core demo, and manipulate them based on their fears and hatreds.
Logic is ineffective.
They’re not like you, who can likely be convinced you are wrong about something via sufficient reason, and then change yourself.
They cannot do this, the remaining, core MAGA cult. By now, everyone with any sense has abandoned the cult or is going full-in on being a corrupt grifter… the mass that remains is not capable of meaningfully reasoning.
Back to an article quote from his first term ‘hes not hurting the right people’. Lol like they’re people to Trump as a narcissist. They can be votes they can be subjects but never a person, unless you give him tons of cash to use, and ton meaning for him as a billionaire, made off of the US coffers and influence. Not that the influence has as much pull anymore due to him squeezing it with his tiny hands.
Exactly