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Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.
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Edit: sorry it was more than 50% of Americans. Fuck everyone. Goodbye.
Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote
That doesn’t change anything, tbh.
Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.
Yeah, that’s a decision
It’s that people don’t vote
Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.
Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.
Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.
Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.
You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.
I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.
It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)
Yeah, it’s crazy that it not only happens but is apparently ok.
I rolled into my voting place after work, which you’d expect to be busy and no line. We’re in a high cost of living part of a high cost of living blue state, but most definitely not white nor wealthy. I assume it’s the blue state that wants everyone to vote although I certifiably don’t know if there are places here where it’s different
Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house
People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).
It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.
I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.
I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:
Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.
There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.
America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.
That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.
My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.
TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.
Americans are watching this too and wondering what the fuck is wrong with our fellow Americans. This should not even be close.
America is a fascist nation dripping in right wing propaganda.
If we elect Trump a second time, the only people who can express shock are the ones who have never seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs.
Trump would make us fascist. We are not currently so.
Ok maybe you’re not a fascist country, but you’ve been dipping your toes in the fascism pool for decades, just waiting for the water to be warm enough.
Aged like milk
I guess you haven’t seen a neighbor wave a Confederate flag, brandish a Blue Lives Punisher logo, have FOX News blasting away in the living room, or demand you laugh at their joke full of ethnic slurs?
I’m really hoping that it isn’t close and that the polls were lying “just to make it interesting”
I have some bad news
But have you thought that Kamala is a Woman?
Maybe don’t turn important political processes into a sports match. Try a little logos with your ethos.
Yeah you’re right it’s us, the ones posting to lemmy, doing that. You nailed it mate
Tacitly, yes.
No one wants to hear it - that’s often a good sign it’s right on the money.
Yeah, I really can’t believe Harris is even a viable option. This should be a Trump landslide. 🫡
Oh hey a cunt out in the wild.
You can’t believe Harris was a viable option because you’re a chud. I can’t believe Harris was a viable option because she’s genocidal imperialism. We are not the same
Agreed.
Disgusting how overrun Lemmy is with blue. Must be like 98% woke in here. Don’t be woke. Wake up, people!! WAKE UP!!!
Why do you behave like a bot?
I see similar remarks thrown out a lot on Lemmy lately, even to very human comments that are just a tad aneurystic or simply one they don’t like. It’s an easy way to destroy someone’s credibility while having to provide zero evidence.
For the sake of proper discussion, this really needs to stop.
I’d say their credibility was never a consideration here. A proper discussion was never going to happen.
As an American:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I second this emotion
I will now cut back on all social media. Lemmy included as I get a depression from what’s happening in the US. What is painfully obvious is that we Europeans must stop fucking around and federate so that we have a fucking chance wedged in between despots and idiots.
The current trend is sadly in the other direction. Fascists are rising to power and the countrys get more separated. More border controllers are happening.
Best of luck, wish me good luck on getting out of here before everyone realizes they closed the boarders going OUT as well as IN.
I’m really hoping Harris wins, and we can make politics boring again. I know that if Trump wins, we’ll hear about all the insanity he will put in place for the next four years.
Sure, if he loses, Trump will cry foul, but that doesn’t have the same legs as it would if he wins.
I just want Trump to be some washed out TV “celebrity” and politics to be as entertaining as it always is: not very.
I’m not American and all I hear about right now is American politics. Y’all need to figure your shit out.
Trump is not the problem. Trump is the symptom. The problem is a somewhat powerful minority faction in the US actively pushing to dismantle our democracy. Project 2025 wasn’t written by Trump and didn’t write itself.
Harris’ win is step 1. We then need to push to shore up our democracy and prevent a more cunning trump replacement.
Plus he’s proven that having a cult of personality works, and caused a notable shift in the US Republican party.
For all we know, that might be a permanent change, rather than a temporary one.
I’m just hoping that there’s no one with his “charisma.” Thankfully everyone else scummy enough to be in the GOP is a wet rag in comparison to him so far. He may be a piece of shit, but a con man “confidence man” he most definitely is.
Watch the movie “Bad Faith”. It lays it all out.
Tl;Dr: It’s pretty much entirely the fault of Evangelicals.
If Trump wins, the world will become a way less hospitable place even faster. This is literally the fight for the last resources, and the 1% wants it all. Trump is a Billionaire enabler… nothing else.
sorry to say but if trump is junior partner in a billionaire oligarchy firm then harris is their employee as head of hr who pretends to be our friend but is actually their to keep us in check. she was chose as vp by the lobbyists and since then she has only followed their orders.
At least she won’t strip away any right. Freedom my arse.
If Trump loses, that dissolves the Trump cult and the next Trump that comes along will just be compared to Trump
I wouldn’t count on that. These are cultists who are ready to deify Trump and start sending people to the camps. I don’t think losing an election will change the fundamental cult dynamic, or the hatred and anger that has been organized within the cult. We are stuck with this bullshit probably for the rest of our lives, one way or the other.
You are out of your mind, my friend and so far removed from reality. What insanity are you even referring to? America needs rehabilitation, and we’re not getting that with Harris, who has presented herself as utterly clueless in just about all her media interactions. It’s absolutely bonkers how the seemingly majority of people here on Lemmy can’t see this. Yikes! Glad to see the blue wall coming down as I type this.
Found the cult member.
Yes. You were looking in the mirror.
Childish response from a clown who thinks a geriatric nepo baby is going to make america great.
Not at all. I think he’s going to fuck it up royally.
I’m just not blind faith attatched to eating the shit of genociding democrats like most of the real clowns on this website.
The democrats could have run a candidate who would have made Trump look foolish, but they didn’t. Instead they ran the bigger fool.
Only the DNC is to blame. People I forgive. The fear is real.
How will Trump, the only other viable candidate, do a better job?
All arguments are expired at this point. Now you’ll just have to witness for yourself how he’ll do a better job.
To answer your question, though, I implore you (and anyone reading this comment) to pick through the trove of Charlie Kirk videos on YouTube with an open mind. 🙏🏽
The worst one for me is that there’s some chode near me that displays a flag on his house fucking bragging that he’s voting for a convicted felon.
They’re proud of the fact that they’re supporting a criminal, and I bet they’d be ok with him if he was an open Nazi as well (they’re just fine with the same tactics and having literal Nazi flag wavers in their midst).
Adam Conover’s last video changed my view on the shock. They’re not voting for him despite his bad qualities. They’re voting for him because of his bad qualities. Telling them he’s a Nazi and a felon and blah blah blah will reinforce their idea that he’s the right guy. When people who worked in his government come out against him, the response is, “Of course they did. They’re part of the swamp we’re trying to drain.”
Reason is dead. We’re never going to convince these people that Trump is unfit for the job and a horrible human being. It’s time to stop being so shocked these people exist. They always have and will continue to exist. All we can do is show up and end the man’s political career.
Post-election update: 14 million vote spread between Biden '20 and Harris '24. Trump was only down maybe 1½ million votes between '20 and '24. Hey Democrats, where the fuck were you on Tuesday?
It’s all very Dunning-Kruger. A huge part of the crazy conservative personality seems to be thinking YOU are the smart one in a sea of sheep, and that everything is a conspiracy.
So when Trump is getting convicted, looking like an idiot, and has most of the civilized world against him? SO much evidence of the conspiracy and the system trying to save itself from the great disruptor! It’s like reality itself is bending over backwards to make the chosen one look like an irredeemable pile of shit!
Mark Robinson in NC just messed up because he was saying the quiet part out loud, or at least on porn message boards. Oh, and he was black.
As an NC resident I was incredulous at the turnaround that happened after that all came out. I thought for sure he was going to end up being a shoo-in for victory. I can’t walk ten feet without seeing Trump shit everywhere, and I live in the middle of a city. These folks should have loved Robinson even more than they love supply-side Jesus.
I understand them. I’m not American, and I’m something like a middle class so I’d vote for blue. And most of the people here probably think the same, we have that echo chamber. But if I were poor as I was most of my life, and that’s like most of the people voting, I’d vote red.
The reasoning is that both of the candidates don’t address the main problems of the society, the last one to do it was Bernie, before him I don’t even know, not Obama though.
The problems are education, healthcare, worker rights. You may say the Dem Presidents tried to do something about it but they didn’t and actually didn’t even try, the problems weren’t solved, they are actually worse(not because of their actions, their “actions” really didn’t matter and were just for show).
During Trump life got worse, during Biden life got worse, even during Obama life got worse, and now they suggest which kind of “life will get worse” to choose. So as a poor I’d pick the option that’s closer to destroying the system altogether than the option that will just make me more miserable to choose another miserable option in 4 years.
I heard a lot(fuck, A LOT) here how Trump will make himself a dictator and destroy the system but if one stupid clown can do it may be it’s the government system that’s bad. Really bad. And maybe you should address that issue but nobody does.
Maybe you should address the problems that make the people vote for a fucking clown instead of just labelling them stupid.
The problem is we have to take a hard left turn to get to a place where we can address any problems
…. But I’m not totally buying this argument. The one big change we were able to get through to make people’s lives easier was the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Statistically it made a huge difference in the lives of millions, especially lower middle and income to poor citizens. Yet somehow they kept electing people promising to repeal it, usually without even the concept of how to replace it. Do you really want millions of people going back to no medical coverage? Do you really want to be paying for coverage that can reject you on a hint of “previous conditions”? Sorry, but how is this anything but stupid?
They are OK with anything. Trump supporter at work wants him to be a dictator. How did we reach this point?
Americans are also watching in horror FYI
Less than 50% of them
Apparently those Mussolini style of speeches and the other 50 or so political suicides did not really matter as much as you would think. No matter the outcome this being this close I think spells the end of the USA as a rational power.
America really really hates women.
And wierdly is made mostly of women, who must hate woman.
Yep, women alone could have put this election in the bag for harris. That confuses me the most out of all of this…
Once again, we are shown that people (of any gender, race, or group) can and will vote directly counter to their interests.
Well that or they like being “grabbed by the pussy” or whatever the hell. Guess I will not kink shame.
those Mussolini style of speeches
Like Kamala at the DNC saying that the US needs to have the MOST LETHAL army in the world, and the crowd bursting into chants of “USA, USA, USA”?
*of voters
The rest apparently don’t care either way
They’re not to blame. They’ve been convinced by a powerful, wealthy propaganda machine that their identity is more important than their planet, their children’s futures, or their own basic human rights. They were scared, tired, desperate, and when the machine came for them and it felt so good they bought it without checking the receipt. They’ve been tricked into giving away their futures and they are going to suffer for it. They’re stupid, but they’re not evil.
That’s bs, it just takes 1 hour of your day to go put a mark on a piece of paper and be done with it…
Pure laziness and complacency
… The voters? We’re talking about the people who cast votes. Not the ones who didn’t vote. Keep up.
The comment above yours was referring to the rest of people who could vote but didn’t, and I thought you said they were not to blame.
Anyways it just means most of the US is ok with trump, which is absolutely insane.
Some of them, yes. I have family that fit your description, but I also have family filled with anger and spite. The ones who hold hate I can and will blame for it.
Your logic completely nullifies human capacity for agency and thus makes no sense whatsoever. Conditioning is important but it does not negate responsibility. Not yet anyway…
If my argument nullified the capacity for agency then propaganda could not exist.
I am saying that propaganda was used to make people vote for Trump. Without that propaganda, they may have voted in their own interests, like protecting bodily autonomy and basic human rights.
Propaganda is the thing that swayed them.
Some people are defenseless to it. They never stood a chance against the billion-dollar machine built specifically to win their vote. I feel sorry for them because they were tricked into giving away their futures.
I absolutely agree that propaganda and misleading information in general has a significant impact and most people don’t have the neccessary literacy skills to navigate conteporary information environments. And to be fair - they’re not easy to navigate. However, I do not agree that “they [people] are not to blame” in that ultimately adults must take responsibility (and blame) for their own actions and words, even if they are victims of disinformation or other types of misleading content. Because to argue the opposite would basically take away any responsibility from wrongdoing (intentional or otherwise) and would also mean that justice systems based on rule of law are meaningless and unnessary. Which is obviously not true.
We can’t have a stable system of governance where nobody can be blamed because everyone is some manner of stupid, ignorant, misled, uneducated about something, etc. Such a system simply wouldn’t be able to work in practice for the reasons I mention above.
Mind you, this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t study or aknowledge the power that conditioning and misleading information have on collective political perceptions, and try to counter that as far as possible. But that is very different from saying “they are not to blame” and absolving people of their decisions and actions. It is a catch-22 but that is what the human condition ultimately is.
No. It is YOUR fault if YOU fall for propaganda. Its time to hold people accountable for their stupidity
Sounds close-minded, selfish and hateful. You’d be a great Trump supporter.
