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    Interesting how these types of people seem to have a set of phrases with their own fixed meanings that don’t necessarily correspond to the literal meanings of the words that make them up. “Can’t trust the government” in this context really means “can’t trust liberals/progressives”. You can see that in her response if you watch the video. She’s not stumped when the reporter points out the apparent contradiction. She expect everyone to make the same mental substitution, under which there is no contradiction.

    Another good example is a 5 minute youtube video about homelessness from a fake university with an orange logo. They cite an example of a bridge between Los Angeles and Culver City that has a major homeless encampment on one side, but not the other, due to different laws in the two cities. To quote directly:

    the Los Angeles side is full of tents and the Culver City side is empty. Why? Because the two cities have different public policies. Los Angeles has effectively decriminalized public camping and drug consumption while Culver City enforces the law.

    If Los Angeles has no law against homelessness, then what law is it supposedly failing to enforce? This seems like a contradiction, until you realize that “Culver City enforces the law” has nothing to do with actual laws, but with the “law” of the moral framework that the authors are trying to propagandize.

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      if LA has no law

      They didn’t claim their was no law, they said they decriminalized it. Which means it’s still illegal but unenforced by criminal charges, just like weed is decriminalized in many states but still federally illegal.

      I don’t disagree with you that people put out bullshit but… Can we not put out bullshit to prove it?

      ETA: Italics

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        You’re largely correct, “decriminalized” doesn’t mean it’s legal, but I just wanted to point out that it doesn’t necessarily mean unenforced. Just that it’s no longer a criminal charge. Something can be decriminalized and still be in violation of the law and enforced with fines or other deterrents, e.g. traffic violations. You’re not a criminal for speeding, it’s still illegal and enforced.

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    We can’t trust the government now. We couldn’t trust it before either, but we also can’t trust it now.

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      The sad thing is, there actually used to be some areas in which you could trust the government. You could trust the CDC for health information, the FDIC with your money, the FDA for food regulations, the USPS to deliver your mail…

      Nowadays, everything good about government will be getting axed and everything bad amplified. But what can you do~

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        I would wait for a Canada or EU approved vaccine.

        Will they require people to be vaccinated to travel if they’re explicitly traveling there to be vaccinated?

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          Fun question. Unfortunately, I assume yes. They used to check your vaccination status before granting you entry at the border/airport.

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        What with how Trump is pulling out of WHO and deregulating the chicken industry, if the avian flu becomes transmissible to humans, it will make COVID-19 look like childsplay. At which point things may get so dire vaccine hesitancy is likely to get you killed, and I’d probably recommend a quick plane trip to Canada to get vaccinated, if that’s even still an option…

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        Well, it won’t be Covid-25, it’ll be H5N1 bird flu, which so far has a mortality rate of 50%-60% in people and damn near 100% in birds and 70% in cats. Covid-19 was around 1% and killed millions.

        Even if bird flu is more around 30%, that’s an insane number.

        The bird flu vaccine has mostly been developed and iirc is available in some European countries. We have a vaccine here too but it hasn’t gone to trial.

        If you get that vaccine or not may very well be life or death.

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          To be fair, if the death rate is like 50%, anti-maskers won’t be so anti-mask for long.

          You know how religious people always say stuff like “There are no atheists in a foxhole” or some bs like that? (I hate that phrase btw) I’d say “There are no virus-deniers in a pandemic with 50+% death rate, and people arouns you are dropping dead en-masse on the street.” Survival instincts and fear will overide whatever conspiracy theories they have. People would be self quarrantining.

          I predict some riots and people both left and right of the political spectrum would storm white house.

          Also: It’d actually be over much quicker. Probably over in a month (with billions dead worldwide, obviously).

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            Herman Cain Award will prove you wrong, along w people believing this is like Moses and the mark on the door - they won’t think they will die from it. There are just people who cannot acknowledge reality.

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              Lemme tell you something. My brother who is a Democrat (who probably voted Harris), is also into those anti-vax conspiracy theories. He does wear a mask, so that’s a step up from the right wingers, but he says because covid has less than 1% death rate, he won’t get vaccinated. Idk wtf lol 🤷‍♂️

              He stepped on a nail at work and still went to the hospital to get the tentanus shot aka a vaccine. So I guess the fear of tentnus overrode whaever conspiracy theories lol.

              (idk if i spell tentnus correctly, but i’m too lazy to spell check)

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    Is it just me or does anyone else have to fight the urge to be horribly misogynistic to these Trump worshippers? I always fall back to my gender-neutral profanity (such as “Trump’s shit-guzzler”) but I just feel a deep rooted desire to be as maximally offensive to and about MAGA cultists and enablers as humanly possible. I know it’s lazy but I mean if anyone deserves to be insulted in the most extreme way possible it’s these creatures.

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          Its fine, just preface it with shit. Shit cunts are not thought of highly

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        Hilarious that you think the OP would label calling a woman a bitch or cunt as misogyny. He clearly means worse.

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          Some people believe using gender-specific insults over gender-indifferent insults implies hatred of that gender. I’m not one of them, but OP might’ve encountered some and thus has become more reluctant in his/her use of language

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            Why are you running interference for a self declared misogynist? Why are you making up hypotheticals for them?

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      Don’t let them bring you down to their level. There’s so many fun gender neutral insults.

      • ASVAB waiver
      • Middle School Drop Out
      • Failed Abortion
      • Incest Experiment
      • Good Idea Fairy
      • Shit Fucker
      • Couch Fucker <-- Thank you JD Vance!
      • Two Balls Short of a Spine
      • A family tree with no branches
      • Couldn’t fight/talk their way out of a wet cardboard box

      I mean really, there’s just so many.

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      If you must give up your values then you might as well give them up in exchange for something in return. In this case you get nothing in return which is why I too recommend using gender-neutral insults.

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      They’re literal traitors to the United States of America that are attempting to dismantle its government, causing unimaginable suffering.

      They deserve a lot more than being called mean names.

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        It’s not mean names, it’s engaging in the EXACT rhetoric that erodes rights in the first place. Look at Pearl Davis, she’s been advocating for women to loss the right to vote - she’s rightwing and you’re AGREEING with her.

        Nevermind that the VAST MAJORITY of women didn’t vote for Trump. So engaging in misogyny which erodes and removes their rights actually helps Trump and makes you a Trumper in terms of effect.

        Like why are you punishing all women for this unless you just simply hate women and wanted to do it in the first place? And you all act shocked about 4B movement lol

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      That doesn’t sound too strange. Sometimes I want to use “f****t” as an insult, but I don’t, because that would be homophobic and I’m not homophobic

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        I accidentally used cock sucker as an insult but I meant it in the billionaire-cock sucker, not the way it used to be used. There’s nothing wrong with sucking dicks, but if you suck the dicks of billionaires then you’re a problem. Still I recognize how it could have been taken and felt badly.

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          “bootlicker” seems to be the accepted term for people like that. But I can see how you would want an insult that’s more vulgar.

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      You’re not going to be able to put them in their place better than they do for themselves already. Save the effort IMO.

      Although, that being said… I have no issues with any kinda of verbal antagonism towards fascists. If a woman is a nazi, and we’re all saying it’s ok to punch nazis; is it ok to punch a nazi woman? I say yes.

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        Yes but you’re doing the punching on the basis of them being a nazi, not of them being a woman

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        Yeah but Nazis were also misogynists, and misogynistic speech IS Nazi speech. So engaging in gender fascism isn’t really how we combat fascism. Op could talk about feminism with these women and be far more effective- but that would mean OP would have to learn about and support feminism and its clear he is against that.

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            Gender fascism isn’t nonsensical. Demanding genders must be a certain way, gender determinism, is indeed policing gender in a way that enforces misogyny and cishet normativity. Gender fascism can be transphobia, misogyny, or a belief in a strict gender binary.

            That’s why Nazis, the Uber fascists, were also gender fascists.

            They were also racial fascists. White supremacy is racial fascism.

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      They want you to lower yourself to their level. Wrestling pigs just gets you muddy. Please call them out though, it is important work.

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        Taking the high road has really been working out for us!
        Might have our faces in the dirt but we can feel good about being the better person!

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          Sure, but being sexist or misogynistic doesn’t actually help us. Getting dirty and stooping low in political ways though, to save the country from an authoritarian nazi regime? Yes, please.

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      No, I don’t actually feel a need to resort to something I find immoral to hurt others, this is horrible of you to say

      But I’ve known that the misogyny is very prevalent on Lemmy, you all never needed the excuse of “MAGA” to be sexist in the first place.

      Like what excuse would it take for you to start espousing feminist rhetoric? Have you EVER done so? Why wouldn’t you just say feminist things to them, since that would literally be combating their viewpoints?

      Really it just seems like you’re kink roleplaying with them without any awareness.

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    Literal, actual retards are running the show now.

    Placed there by literal, actual retarded Americans.

    Wild that our country became so pathetic.

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      Bimbos are cool and they are fine in positions of power. She is a fascist though, you could have just used that instead of using weird misogynistic stereotypes.

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        Interesting; and I’ll start by saying we immediately disagree but I am curious on your perspective about not being misogynistic towards Nazi women. I recently (like 6 minutes ago) came to the conclusion that it’s fine to punch them. Can you change my mind?

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          It’s fine and not at all misogynistic to punch a Nazi woman. You’re simply treating her the same as you would a Nazi man.

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          The thing is: you don’t have to be misogynistic. She’s a Nazi, there’s plenty of other things you can demean her on without using language that broadly stereotypes everyone, or at least that group.

          I get where you’re coming from, and I don’t think I’ll change your mind, but that language is not partisan (for lack of a better word). It might hurt the women standing against you, but it also hurts the women standing with you.

          And just to be sure: You’re using bimbo to be hurtful, not because you believe bimbos are less than, right? Because that would be fucked if you wholesale discount bimbos simply because of what they are.

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            So I actually don’t use the term “bimbo,” and never have. I’m not misogynist; just somewhat of the opinion that it should be open-season on Nazis. As in, “anything goes.”

            I don’t want to offend people that aren’t Nazis however. It’s unfortunate that someone might interpret a slur directed at someone else as a slur directed at oneself; but I get it.

            In my lexicon, I have a lot of words I’d use for Noem. “Bimbo” would not be on the list in normal circumstances.

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              Hell yeah. I guess we’ll just be two different side of the coin, because your anger and frustration are valid. It might be chaotic, but it’s still “good”. lol

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      How is the bimbo any more dangerous than a nepo baby?

      It seems when some rich white crotch fruit gets the job, that’s right and proper… They are “competent” but if a hot chick or a black dude get the gig, automatically “we are so fucked”

      Bootlicker culture is very strong in USia

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      Congratulations, you just showed everyone you’re a shitty person. Now everyone knows to not take anything you say seriously.

      Anyone can look however they like no matter their position in society. What matters is their views and how they handle that position. Doesn’t matter if it’s a bimbo or whatever else, that shouldn’t be something of concern at all. This one just happens to be a really shitty person, which is fully expected from who chose her, and that’s what matters.

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      I submit that president Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho is a male bimbo, and we should BE so lucky to be led by such a saint in comparison to real life.

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    A government large enough to supply all your needs is a government powerful enough to take everything from you.

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        Not sure what you’re trying to say here. I’m against mass surveillance! I’m against big powerful government in general. All the fear people had with the Republicans coming to power would not have happened if there was no power for them to come to in the first place.

        As for crime, that’s the job of a small, local, effective, community police force to deal with. Not a militarized thug squad that we have now!

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          Small local police can not deal with everything tho. There is a reason for multiple “layers”. The problem arise when anyone can be police, dealing with people’s lives without any meaningful training or selection, while other professions need years of training and certificates before they are allowed to do far less consequential things.

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            The problem with police is that they are “others.” If they were members of their communities and they knew the people they worked with (say, by walking a beat on foot and talking to people like a friendly mail carrier) then we wouldn’t have these issues.

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              But that would take far more cops to actually know people? Like in the order of one per 100? There are currently 700’000 cops, that would be 5x as many. How many people could one cop realistically know? What problem would this “knowing people” actually solve?

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                How many people could one cop realistically know?

                Presumably somewhere around Dunbar’s number (or some other number with a similar goal likely calculated in a better way), which is wildly unrealistic from a practical perspective.

                What problem would this “knowing people” actually solve?

                They likely believe that police that are “members of the community” are much less likely to react based on vague heuristics built up over time because they are more likely to directly know the people involved and thus be less likely to need to rely on a snap judgement of strangers. It’s right up there with “maybe we should train them better”, except training is several orders of magnitude more manageable from a practical standpoint than having more law enforcement per capita than Bible belt small towns have churches per capita.

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      This government doesn’t provide for people’s needs and is still powerful enough to take everything from us.

      The real problem is if it’s not powerful enough to maintain a top position on violence then I’ll end up paying a second set of taxes to the local sheriff and his posse of Ranchers.

      We need to ensure power is used responsibly. Not just get rid of it and hope nobody comes along to fill the vacuum. (Spoiler Alert, they will, and there won’t be voting)

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      I’m sure a social safety net propped up entirely by bureaucrats is going to suddenly deprive every one of their rights. It won’t be a government with mass surveillance and militarized police. Nope, those are definitely not two different things. Big government is big government regardless of form apparently.

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        I’m not against safety nets. I’m against bureaucracies and mass data collection. A social safety that features mass surveillance (means testing) is another tool for social control. A simple safety net via a negative income tax doesn’t leave any cookies in the jar for Musk and his goons to plunder.

        Good fences make good neighbours. The government I trust most is the one with the least power to hurt me. When you vote for a new bureaucracy with broad powers over people’s lives you’re setting a time bomb that’s waiting to explode the moment the bad guy wins an election.

        Never forget that it was the power of the bureaucracy that allowed the Nazis to be so ruthlessly efficient at rounding up all the Jews. The lesson of history was not “only the good guys should be allowed to win”, it’s “we shouldn’t be leaving so many loaded guns laying around the house.”