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The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
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Definitely cant see any comparisons to the SS there 👍
Civil Asset Forfeiture. It’s legal in most states, but some are better than others. Oklahoma is dog shit:
https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/?state=OK
Seriously people, don’t move to Oklahoma, or really most southern states.
Why in the hell would one move to a shitty red run welfare state? ICE is the neo Gestapo or NKVD.
At this point if I ever have the displeasure of meeting an ice terrorist I’m going to shoot him/her
You gotta be smart, use obscure language embrace missed messaging.
IANAL, TINLA, but: Don’t publish plans to commit crimes.
If they are standing their ground it might be up for debate.
Exhibit A, Your Honor.
ICE needs to be abolished. If they can’t do their job effectively and legally then they shouldn’t have jobs.
Their job is to cause terrorism they do it well
then they shouldn’t have jobs.
for the rest of their lives. and no gov backed living either, they need to be forced to live under the bridge
ICE needs to be abolished.
If they can’t do their job effectively and legally thenthey shouldn’t have jobs.FTFY
The cruelty is the point. ICE is the refuge for assholes too racist even by normal Texas police standards.
Racism and ethnic cleansing are not “jobs” that should be done at all.
No shit. But immigration laws are important for good reason at the same time.
Yea it keeps people hating one another simply for being born somewhere else and ensures class warfare amongst the population.
What good reasons?
Immigration laws exist to manage the flow of people into and out of a country, regulating who can enter, for what purpose, and for how long. These laws are based on principles like family reunification, providing humanitarian aid, and recognizing skilled workers who benefit the economy. Additionally, they serve to ensure national security and public safety.
Nice chatgpt reply
Gotta love how lazy people are that they can’t even argue their own point without asking a machine to make it for them.
I get tired of repeating myself
go back to reddit please. save us the pain of downvoting you
Exactly how much arguing with people on Lemmy do you do that you find it too tiresome to do it yourself, but rather than just not engaging, you have a machine do it for you? Tbh, sounds like some shit a troll factory would do.
I’m going to disregard that first sentence because you’re explaining what they do, not giving good reasons for why they exist. In the second sentence, you indicated the principles that their existence is supposedly rooted in, but still fail to provide a good reason. Now, the third sentence: How do they ensure national security and public safety? Is there meaningful, demonstrable, or statistically significant evidence that this is the case, or are you taking it at face value to be the truth?
They need to be dissolved. In acid.
everyone needs to remember that if/when this is over, anyone who supported this or participated in it needs to be shunned for the rest of their lives.
shunned? they need to be imprisoned
Which is probably not going to happen. we could have a government of just democrats and they wouldn’t convict these people.
No, they need to be made examples of. There need to be mass Nuremberg trials, no Nazis left alone, no scientists spared, no business deals.
No mercy.
No. They need to be convicted and held to account.
held to account
in mass graves
I’m on your side. Giver.
Genocide abroad <—> Genocide at home
Thanks to the people that didn’t vote or threw away their vote, we’ll get both.
steals their life savings
Everything new is a forgotten old, Wallenstein’s turn.
But yeah, more such stories, more rougher reactions.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years
I used to think anti gun people would face reality at some point. Then January 6th happened, and blue conservatives still wanted to disarm the people.
Even after repeatedly demonstrating they or the justice system will never defend us. We are on our own.
Any decent person who did not vote for this needs to absolutely gtfo of red states and assume they’re a no-go zone from here on out. Of course the blue states won’t be safe forever, but there is absolutely no reason to put yourself in danger by going to one of those Nazi shit holes.
I would love to flee to a blue-r area. Somewhere where sharing with my neighbors and participating in community doesn’t feel like supporting racism and misogyny.
But, I have a disabled family member that needs care in their home, so … for now my sense of familial duty keeps me in a very red area.
I’m sorry but at this point I would be too embarrased to be an American citizen and migrate the F out lmao, a second term Donald Trump? So embarrassing 😭🤦🏻♂️💩💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
That’s kind of an asshole take. As a US citizen, there’s no country that would take me in right now. I’m just not eligible to work in any of the other countries I’ve looked at.
First, I only know English. I know a bit of French because my parents paid for lessons when I was a kid, but I’ve had zero chance to practice after college. Many Americans have no foreign language experience at all.
Second, what skills can a typical American market? If you don’t have any good skills, it’s hard to apply for work visa in another country. You could try applying for asylum, but other countries don’t really see things as bad enough to take in Americans yet.
Third, how long would it take to apply? A year is typical. Again, you could try asylum which may have an initial time allocation to stay until your hearing. But that only works once countries start accepting Americans’ asylum claims.
A lot of people can’t afford to move.
And a lot of people want to stay and fight.
We are the illegal immigrants now.
What country are you in, and what have you done to make it easier for people to claim asylum there?
I am embarrassed to be American. But I’m also too poor to do anything about it
And that’s what the rich want! The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer! It’s the new American way sadly!
If only it were that easy.
How long before people start pretending to be ICE to basically break and enter into homes to rob people? Not like they can fight back, or even question things, or have due process, if someone in an ICE vest shows up at your door.
Is there anything morally different between pretending to be ICE to break into people’s homes to rob them and actually being ICE and breaking into people’s homes to rob them?
Being ICE is worse because the victims are more likely to be shot or deported by these goons. Regular burglary just wants your shit with none of that hassle.
People need to start breaking down the doors of the homes of rich white Republicans, accusing them of being illegal aliens, and claiming to be ICE. That’s when this will actually stop.
Is there any evidence it hasn’t happened already? It’s not like they’d announce or even denounce it.
Illegal search and seizure. Where’s the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?
They were already there, doing the seizing.
The NRA gave up their ‘jack-booted thugs’ rhetoric and started kissing Republican asses when Bush Jr. was president. Bush very publicly renounced his lifetime membership over LaPierre’s–very, very reasonable and measured–stance that the feds were shitty people. The NRA caved rather than continue to speak the obvious truth, and they’ve had a fetish for licking cop boots ever since.
They’re probably at a klan rally.
“Marisa. Sounds Mexican, she deserves it probably.”
-NRA
Her name is Marisa.
Even Mexicaner
Fairly sure it’s Italian/Spanish actually. But, most republicans probably think of them as the same thing.
You know an awful lot about them foreigners.
I think you are one too.
Naah probably just one of them uppity college professors. I bet they don’t even like football.
They wish they had our Mediterranean good looks.
You’re right! Idk why my brain deleted the S when I went to write it out, thanks!
Unironically enough for MAGAts to call for deportation.
I really hope someone hacks into the ICE database and send them kick down Trumpists doors.
People should claim to be ICE agents and go rob the homes of actual ICE agents. Accuse them of being illegal immigrants and disappear them off to fates unknown. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
You don’t need to hack anything: https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form
I reported Musk on there. I’m 1/2 waiting for ICE to come busting through my door.
Use a fake number generator for phone numbers as well as name generators. Also do it on a public computer and not your own device. If you must use a device you have. Do not do it from home and use a VPN combined with Tor network.
Or use Tails.net it’s a portable OS you use to hide from surveillance and it is part of the Tor project.
Tails is excellent.
I mean he is a non-citizen (by their standards) who has committed serious crimes in our country. He should be at the top of their list.
You don’t need to put the “by their standards”
He is an immigrant who lied in his application, worked with an invalid status and overstayed his student visa to start his criminal career
His acquired citizenship needs to be stripped and deported to El Salvador
Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.
I’ve said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard…
It’s just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It’s like the people who thought China paid the tariffs…
The house is almost tied. That’s who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents…
218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.
Let’s see, take New York for example.
26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.
5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.
People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn’t matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.
Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.
Apathetic morons who don’t realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.
District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.
Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state… Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.
So, if you think that your vote for president doesn’t matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you’re a fucking moron who can’t grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.
And don’t get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.
Every fucking vote counts.
And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we’ll keep getting the shit we deserve.
House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.
Democrats would need ~18 seats.
First, that won’t happen in 2026.
Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.
Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.
How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we’re living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers…
Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.
- Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- North Carolina (Budd-R)
- Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
- Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
- Iowa (Ernst-R)
- Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
- Kentucky (McConnell-R’s seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
- Kansas (Marshall-R)
- South Carolina (Graham-R)
- Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
- Texas (Cornyn-R)
- Mississippi (Wicker-R)
- Alabama (Tuberville-R)
- West Virginia (Capito-R)
- Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
- Wyoming (Lummis-R)
- Idaho (Risch-R)
- Arkansas (Cotton-R)
- Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
- South Dakota (Rounds-R)
- Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
- Highly Competitive Targets:
- Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
- Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
- Stretch Targets:
- Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
- New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
- Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
- Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
- Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
- North Carolina (Tillis-R)
- Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
- Texas (Cruz-R)
- Kentucky (Paul-R)
- And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).
- Highly Competitive Targets:
It’s going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.
The amount that’s being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities…
We’re on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.
No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.
Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.
I wish people didn’t vote against Bernie in the primaries.
I’d vote to support progressive candidates, but neo-liberals can legitimately go fuck themselves.
We should unite and convince people to stop voting for establishment candidates. It’s their turn to fall in line since progressives aren’t doing it.
I wish people didn’t vote against Bernie in the primaries.
They didn’t.
It is true, every vote counts, but not for the Democrats. They have approved Trumps household and supported him in other legislation already. Biden continued much of Trumps legacy of deportations, wall building and raiding innocent people. The laws around “civil forfeiture” have been expanded by Democrats on state level and upheld by Democrats on the federal level throughout the past 30ish years.
Unless the leadership and party elites of the past decades are purged from the party it will never be a vehicle of change, only of maintaining the decline at a slower rate than under the Republicans.
EDIT: Another example of the Democrats making sure that progressives that could challenge Trump are blocked as much as possible on their way. https://www.jezebel.com/75-year-old-democrat-who-beat-aoc-for-key-role-resigns-after-4-months
BRO SHE RESIGNED?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.
Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.
Who is “we”? Keep me out of your cult.
I didn’t nominate any cops and I don’t vote for them. That’s how we got here.
every vote counts
Ummm, not to be an ass but no. The usa has some of the highest number of disenfranchisement in the world. Then you have people like me who’s vote does not count at all in american elections (there are dozens of us!).
Confidently incorrect.
Like I said, every single local election, from city BOE and councils, to county boards to state officials count.
The local elections are who draw the districts are who disenfranchise.
The county courts, the district courts who are elected are who rule in favor of gerrymandering.
So if you skip a vote, if you are too busy, too tired, too hungover, that’s it. It’s on you.
If you can’t grasp that, it’s on you.
Voting doesn’t matter when both candidates are right-wing.
That’s literally why we’re here.
And it’s the local smaller elections that form the basis of the “parties” that put those candidates up.
The DNC and RNC, all those people sent from the states to nominate who the Democrat or Republican runner is, they’re all locals.
If people stepped up and replaced those ignorant twats, we’d get something different.
But instead, we whine that it doesn’t matter and don’t do anything and wonder why it doesn’t change.
Not be that guy, but the person you’re replying to isn’t exactly wrong in saying “every vote counts is wrong” in some cases.
Being pedantically literal, yes, every vote is counted.
The reality of First Past The Post voting and the Electoral College is that the only votes that “count” insofar that they actually affect the outcome of an election are votes for the winning party. Now add on to that the common understanding that both major parties only care about what their corporate donors have to say, and that individual voter participation isn’t likely to influence anything other than the party campaign strategy for the next election.
That means that if enough people vote as a collective to flip which party wins, then and only then does their vote count for anything meaningful. People should vote anyways, but it’s not hard to see why someone might be just a little bit disenfranchised when their participation in the democratic process seems to result in nothing but wasted time because they live next to a bunch of a conservative hicks.
You are absolutely right about smaller state and local elections, though. Those are where each vote actually has a chance to be meaningful.
Or you live in DC, or Puerto Rico or any other US territory, or are a felon, or an immigrant. I am really shocked that anyone can look at the usa and see a democracy in this day and age.
I am not american, and if I was one of approximately 5.1 million (that is about 1 out of 44 or so people) who have lost the ability to vote, no I don’t have a say in any level of us politics.
You are as a nation well past the “lesser evil” party saving you. You are full on into the sort of terrible collapse shown in the subject of the article you are promoting. As a side note, with how the silly two teams system of yours works, the dems if back in power will forever be a little worse then before trump.
That’s very cute but votes and elections are a thing of the pass in America.
Can you stop spamming this shit?
There’s a block feature.
You can keep scrolling. Literally a flick of the finger.
Once everyone has seen it, totally.
Don’t suppose you’re in the camp wanting to disenfranchise voters, are ya skippy?
The camp with kamalacaust? Nah, never been.
Don’t suppose you’re in the camp wanting to disenfranchise voters, are ya skippy?
Damn, you caught me
- Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
I made it legal. It’s all like legal now. It’s so beautiful. No unnecessary things like due process.
The US GeStaPo does not care about illegal. For them, the only illegals are their targets.
It should be illegal…
But with alternating between Republicans and neoliberals for 50 years, no one has ever actually put in serious effort to reign in police. Asset seizure is 100% legal and since they’re “charging” the money/property there’s no presumed innocence.
Biden didn’t fix policing, Obama didn’t, and under Clinton it got worse in large part due to a bill Biden wrote.
Obviously Republicans have been worse, but the point is shit doesn’t ever get better.
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
Quick edit:
This meant to be a reply to someone else, but something weird is happening
Not to mention both Obama and Biden not only failed to abolish ICE, but had higher deportation numbers than Trump in his first term.
We have a good DNC now, that won’t block good candidates, but that’s a very recent development
Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Ken Martin is out there trying to stop David Hogg from primarying incumbents.
Good, Hogg has no traction and never will win an election. He should be the last choice for the left.
Huh? He’s not running for election; he’s using his PAC to support young progressives primarying Dem incumbents in safe blue seats.
You said he was primarying incumbents, led me to believe he was running
The bigger issue is that you felt it necessary to comment via assumptions rather than even doing a cursory google search. Without knowing anything about charisma or policy you said he should be the last choice for the left? Do you think the incumbents are doing a good job?
No I don’t think incumbents are doing a good job, but I know David Hogg, his policy positions, and public outlook. He is not a good candidate in my opinion. I was surprised and thought he was running with the way he worded his comment.
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