During the state of the union speech, Trump PROUDLY said that people are afraid to go fishing around Venezuela
I expect this to be unpopular with the hive:
When you join a military, you take the risk that someone might shoot at you at some point.
It’s a warship, not a civilian ship, what’s the problem? I can’t think of a “better” target in a war than a warship.
Is that little knob on the bow for spraying lemonade at the thirsty? Are those boxes in the back for delivering free meals to underprivileged students?
Someone help me see your viewpoint as to why sinking this ship is an especially evil action getting as much attention as a literal girl’s school.
Your comment does multiple things at once.
You are asking why the outrage over this vs the school. Well, that’s a false dilemma. Nobody says the school bombing was A-OK.
You’re asserting that being in a country’s Navy makes it so that you accept the risk someone might shoot you. Well, nobody says it isn’t so. But that doesn’t make that loss of life A-OK. This is especially shocking given the brutal nature of a ship being torpedoed like that.
The United States has not declared war on Iran according to their own fucking constitution. They only make a bullshit self defense argument. But the ship was in an unrelated part of the world, in Shri Lanka, so literally unable to threaten anything. So the killing felt gratuitous, cold blooded, brutal, unnecessary. The US could have neutralized the ship in a more humane way, given them a chance to surrender, etc. Instead they chose this.
So, no, this isn’t more important than the bombing of the school, and yes it is a warship but it’s still brutal and shocking. Your scolding of people’s natural aversion to this massacre is just not helpful.
How about doing the minimum and reading the article?
Did that first, found the article filled with emotion and lacking explanation. Thanks for the coolguy snappy comment instead of explaining that view tho. It’s a warship, not a hospital boat. It’s designed to shoot missiles, shells, and torpedos.
Submarines haven’t surfaced to ask for surrenders since WW1. They stopped during, because asking for surrenders resulted in getting blown out of the water by ships that “should be” unarmed. If you were captain, would you gamble everyone on board your ship by giving up a submarine’s greatest weapon, stealth, on the assumption a warship belonging to a rules-flouting authoritarian regime is following the rules?
I have heard through (unsourced reddit comments keep in mind) that the US knew about the war games and was supposed to take place and pulled out last minute. So they knew that the ship was partaking and still blew it up. The US participated in the 2024 edition, so it seems like it was true.
I also don’t understand that would be a sticking point. It was in international waters when it was sank, so I assume it was returning home to get armed with shells, torpedoes, and missiles. Why wait for a warship to become an active threat before striking it?
It presumably had the option to either surrender itself to a neutral port, as another Iranian warship has done, or fly the white flag.
The ship was waiting to surrender to Sri Lanka I think. There was another one that had priority that did surrender while the one that was hit was next in line.
Because they knew it wasn’t a threat. They could have intercepted it, and the crew would likely have surrendered, and there would have been no senseless loss of life. It did not have that option as far as I can tell. It seems like Mr Social media content Hegseth wanted a video to share on socials to show how badass we are and opted to blow away innocents. That is fucked, and if you can’t see why, I can’t help you.
Submarines haven’t asked for surrenders in over a century. They stopped because ships that “should be unarmed” kept blowing them out if the water once they gave up stealth. Would you gamble your ship and crew on an Iranian warship following wargames rules to the T?
Like he said in a speech: “We kick the ones that are already down.”
Who was the sub captian that obeyed the illegal order? Name rank and serial number please.
It was not an illegal order. And it’s also entirely possible the captain didn’t know the status of the ships ammunition supply, or lack there of. Not that it changes anything from a legal standpoint.
But, it being a legal target doesn’t change the fact that it was cowardly. Both are true.
How was it a legal target? We are not at war as idiot orange says.
You are in a defacto war. Despite whatever orange man says. The ship was inside international waters. It belongs to the nation you are attacking. It was a military ship. It is a legal target.
What’s not a legal target are the civilian boats they shot down outside of Venezuela.
Actually the orange idiot keeps saying you are. It was Mike Johnson going the SMO route
Only Congress can declare war. Until then it’s a conflict.
Hot take, if you elect a person who showed in their first term a total disrespect for international, national, and martial law maybe the kind of people you have in the armed forces aren’t likely to be any better. The smart, moral people who also were high enough in the chain of command to matter have likely been purged or jumped ship to something less problematic.
The naive belief that any laws matter at this late hour is hard to understand, and harder to respect. This isn’t going to blow over and “go back to normal.” Which incidentally wasn’t great either.
Drop Site News reporter Ryan Grim noted that, in addition to striking what appears to have been a defenseless boat, the US also didn’t help rescue any of the shipwrecked men who were aboard the vessel.
“The Sri Lanka Navy was left to pull the dead bodies from the water,” Grim commented. “I am hard pressed to think of any other nation throughout history that would do something so cowardly and despicable. We are genuinely in a league of our own, and American media—mostly shrugging off the bombing of a girls school and acting as if carpet bombing Tehran is a normal military tactic—is deeply complicit.”
They torpedoed an unarmed ship and watched as everyone drowned. This is the US military under a drunken white supremacist fratboy working for a senile pedophile rapist.
Iirc, its an unwritten law of sailors… You rescue anyone at sea, even the enemy if you can. Drowning is a horrible death.
You at least do what you can to give them a fighting chance.
A radio message would have at least let them abandon ship in a (semi) orderly manner. Hell, even a solar ping would have got them into life jackets.
Normally, a sub wouldn’t risk this. They knew in advance, however, that the ship was not currently armed.
Hey hey whoa whoa whoa, hold up there friend. You forgot Christian nationalist death cultist and pseudo-crusader-wannabe.
Typically submarines aren’t in a position to offer refuge to shipwrecked sailors, but to my recollection there hasn’t been submarine warfare since WWII. They sank a ship that didn’t present any threat and likely could have been neutralized with a number of alternate approaches.
The UK used submarines during the Falklands war.
The decision was made to sink an Argentinian warship. Critically, they didn’t attack the escort ship. They left it to recover the sailors. Apparently it horrified the British command when it ran, leaving sailors in the water.
A simple radio message “Move and we will sink you. Take no offensive actions and we will give you 5 minutes to launch lifeboats first.” Hell, even a sonar ping would have given them half a chance.
Yup but also, the idea of submarines providing rescue went out the window. Even the nazis were trying to rescue people at one point, and the allies attacked them after they broadcasted their rescue attempts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident
The US has the most powerful military in the world. This was just cruelty
US carrying out war crimes since World War II.
Since before that.
They carried out war crimes way before WWII.
Why Hegseth? He didn’t push the button, but some idiot to whom ordinary Americans would shout “thank you for your service.” “I’m just following orders” is not an excuse, many such people were shot by the Nuremberg Tribunal for war crimes they committed because someone ordered them to.
No one was shot as a result of Nuremberg trials. And only, like, nine people were hanged as a result of them.
It’s called command climate. The messaging from those in charge has a direct bearing on how the troops behave. Hegseth has consistently advocated brutality and disregard for international law and human life.
Because responsibility starts with leadership. It’s a very simple concept that current leaders ignore and we pay the price for.
The submarine commander didn’t do this unilaterally. He was clearly ordered to do so, and that order would have come from Hegseth or Trump.
Both, both is good
Pete Hegseth is a fucking war criminal and he fucking better be prosecuted for this.
Hell freezes over before US war criminals are properly prosecuted. There is even some weird law that the US invades The Hague, if they detain US personal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
Just like rumsfield and cheney! America got this!
How do we make that happen?
Its crazy how the whole world is to much of a pussy to do anything to the US.
The US has the single most powerful military force in the world. So when a deranged orange psychopath who has the ego of a cracked eggshell has access to the nuclear football that can call upon the destruction of life as we know it, you’d be careful too.
Okay you maybe right however if no one won’t do anything about it then don’t bitch about it.
He ordered a double tap 🤷♂️
I’ve seen plenty of data points to suggest the IDF is running America and this is one of them
Ha, IDF are chumps compared to who’s running America (and probably your country, too).
It’s right out in the open, really. Look at THE FED for clues
These are not nationalist interests
Accidental double click, must be using a well worn Logitech G500 series (those mice are notorious about the bad switches used in them which results in regular double clicks after about 2.5 years of use).
Yep. Had to replace the switches in mine after 4 years. Was a g502 but the point is the same. Could not use it as double and triple clicks became commonplace.
Bombing defenseless ships had been Kegsbreath’s hobby and pass time since last fucking year
That should be an automatic declaration of war.
Aren’t we, like, way past that point…?
Not according to Congress.
Iran certainly thinks so
When you blow up their leader then keep bombing their cities, that usually is a good reason to think so.
Also because Trump keeps calling it “war”.
War™*
*For legal reasons not an actual war.
*Special torpedo operation
Bloodthirsty maga savages did not even give the boys a chance to surrender. You see why Iran regards the Yanks as “The Great Satan”?
1The us is insane. But looking for sympathy for a religious ethnostate that just murdered thousands of its civilians is a lol. GTFO 🤣
Everyone sucks here and I couldn’t care less since it’s in the sea in warships. Fuck every last one of both these war mongers.
Things were much better in Iran 10 years ago. They were enjoying quite moderate times. But then The Great Satan stabbed them in the back when Trump betrayed the Nukes Deal.
There’s a million valid reasons Trumpism is evil, but excusing the utter cruelty the Iranian government wields isn’t one of them.
Explain how “great satan” forced the Iranian government to murder, maim, jail, and rape protestors last month.
You don’t have to excuse anything. In WW2, the US had segregation, the European allies had brutal overseas empires, and the USSR had a police state. Still better than Nazi Germany.
No. Things were much better in Iran in the 70’s before the Islamic revolution took power in 79.
Things were so great that the government got overthrown. People got tired of winning, said “Shah, we can’t take so much prosperity!”
Is that so hard to believe? Or do I need to remind you that ISIS once controlled regions in the middle East. They weren’t exactly known for their promotion of prosperity, running around burning people alive, destroying museums, raping women and demolishing ancient statues and ruins.
And just like ISIS, we will one day be rid of America and Israel
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Okay, they definitely didn’t just kill thousands of their own people and that definitely would have been Americas fault because treaty 🙄
I see no reason to fight fair, why put our troops at unnecessary risk?
I also can’t think of a reason why we wouldn’t capture their unarmed ship, or at least give them ample opportunity and “incentive” to surrender. Honestly, the greatest show of strength is the ability to show compassion and humanity to your enemy. Think of how much power it would project to capture a whole warship, hold the crew as PoWs, treat them well, and return them well fed and cared for?
Instead, we blew them up and left the survivors stranded in the ocean for other nations to assist.
One way to not put your troops at unnecessary risk would be not to start unnecessary wars.
Yeah, that too, but we’re talking about the US… Unnecessary war is like the trademark move of the republican party.
During WW2, many Italian and German POWs were sent to America for internment, and treatment, if they were wounded. I have met a three separate couples where the POW fell in love with his nurse, and after he was sent home after the war, he came right back and married his American nurse.
Behaving compassionately toward your enemy is the best thing an Army can do to quell post-war problems. MAGA is too Sociopathic to understand that concept. They feel that the only strategy is to crush the enemy, then subjugate them mercilessly, because they are inherently cruel, and that’s their idea of fun. They don’t consider the danger in creating another generation of motivated terrorists.
My grandma cooks a very authentic red sauce, allegedly, my great grandfather was in charge of some POWs stateside in WWII, and one of them was a chef before the war, so he had that guy come over and teach my great grandma how to cook a red sauce, and the recipe has literally been passed down for generations at this point.
Before you ask… I have not been granted the recipe yet.
the ability to show compassion and humanity to your enemy. Think of how much power it would project to capture a whole warship, hold the crew as PoWs, treat them well, and return them well fed and cared for?
Woke. being woke is why the US keeps losing, so stop being woke and start winning
I shit you not, this is how these morons actually think.
Release the Epstein Files
I hope the sub mutinies.
The ones that followed his order? Apparently not.
In the calmest of times submarines have poor connectivity with the outside world, so there’s no telling what they’ve been told.
