In the Lord of the Rings fandom there’s a persistent debate whether balrogs, or Durin’s Bane specifically, have wings. The text in Fellowship is ambiguous whether what it is describing are literal wings or something else wing-like.
Star Trek (Voyager): Was it murder to split Tuvix back into Tuvok and Neelix?
I’ve got a long and complex possible solution to offer regarding this ethical clusterfuck, and I’m willing to elaborate if someone’s interested to hear it.
Edit (possible solution): Voyager’s database should include the Enterprise D’s information regarding Riker’s duplication incident. While Voyager’s crew already found a way to separate Tuvix, they could’ve searched for a possibility to repeat that process and then split back the copy Tuvix a few milliseconds into the original Tuvok and Neelix before said copy became self-aware.
That’s what makes it a good story though - an ethical dilemma with no clear “right” answer.
The longest and most complex solutions are usually right (yes, please share).
The trench from my bed to my toilet is three meters but I can whizz without getting up anymore
Im curious, please share
Two characters got merged into one completely new character the had traits of both, but was their own person. Decision was made to forcibly (against the new character’s wishes) undo the accident and restore the two people. In so doing the new character no longer existed.
Yes ive seen Voyager lol, I meant their solution
Thanks for trying tho
Lol should have remembered this was Lemmy.
Sir this is a Wendy’s.
I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large diet coke (I’m watching my figure).
I’ll meet you out behind the dumpster in three minutes, sir.
No, this is Patrick
Too bad, new organism, we want our selves back- what? Deal w/i
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They should have just kept replicating Tuvix with the transporter and using him as fuel.
The Riker split depended on a plant on that one particular planet. Maybe it cannot be replicated.
Fully embracing that technology would have loads of chaotic outcomes…maybe they forbade it or something? Ripe for abuse…the ability to make infinite free clones or people…
So I was under the assumption that every time they beamed someone up or down they murdered them and an exact copy appeared elsewhere.
they did it again LTD. anyways, janeway practically groomed 7 of 9, not in a sexual way but trying to mold her into a daughter she never had.
I think that’s called mentorship
she did mentor her, but she also kidnapped her, hence the grooming/molding in her ideal image.
She didn’t kidnap her, she rescued her from her actual kidnappers though.
Like, it’s somewhat nuanced, but seven has been neurologically modified by a group that killed her parents and uses her as a weapon. I can’t really see the makeshift therapy that janeway performs to try to refamiliarize seven with humanity as grooming.
They used a transporter, so yes.
Every use of a transporter where someone is disassembled is murder, or possibly suicide.
Yes, they could have just printed out a new copy of Tuvok and Neelix, and left Tuvix alone. The restriction that you can’t just make copies never made sense. Are there souls in Star Trek? Is the soul the thing that is actually being “transported” into a new body substrate?
It’s clonicide!
Alternatively we’re just data (as muteable as a save file) so neither of them died at any point as Tuvix was a valid continuation of both their continuities, similary when Tuvix was split again Tuvok and Nelix also constituted valid continuations of Tuvix’s continuity.
Yes and she was right to do it. Except maybe she should have made a backup so she could have done it again
Cooking:
Aioli is made with oil and no egg. If it includes egg, it is a mayonnaise.
Many people just call everything “aioli” these days, even if it’s technically a mayonnaise.
In my experience, people will put garlic in mayo and call it aioli.
It is absolutely an aioli. You just have to de-emulsify it, separate out the egg, and then emulsify the non-mayonnaise ingredients. It’s not like it’s chemistry or entropy or whatever.
I don’t think that’s an internal debate, I think everyone who understands about the topic knows the difference between aioli and garlic mayo. It’s people from outside that use the wrong term, so not really an internal debate.
That’s not been my experience. I think a lot of people feel like it’s lesser to call their dip a mayonnaise, so they call it an aioli. Especially at restaurants.
That’s fucked up, man. Mayo can be fancy af. This is mayo erasure.
I’m pretty sure you’re being sarcastic, but I’d passionately back this stance. Emulsions are a goddamn art, and need to be respected for their insane range and joy.
I collect coins, and there’s always debates about what a coin is.
For those who don’t know, a coin is usually defined as an object with legal tender status somewhere; as opposed to a token that has a face value but is issued by a non-state actor; and a medal, which is anything that looks like a coin but doesn’t have any face value.
Now, aside from the expected debate over what is and isn’t a state, there’s also the issue of NIFC (not intended for circulation) coins. Many mints sell coins that are legal tender, but are never put into circulation, some people (often those that could be characterised as “old school”) take the position that as these aren’t intended to be used as legal tender, they aren’t really coins.
It doesn’t help that there are tiny island nations like Niue and Samoa that will basically let companies make anything legal tender if they pay them. This leads to the rather silly situation where a batarang, and a literal statue of hogwarts, are technically “coins”. (I’ve been told this is done as a import tariff dodge as the USA doesn’t charge import taxes on coins)
Imagine being a Samoan shopkeeper and some tourist showing up and trying to pay with a friggin statue of Hogwarts.
It’s 5ozt of pure silver, so I wouldn’t say no…
id accept it as payment, record a video of myself melting it down and making it into a small blahaj figurine, and make the video public to spite and annoy jk rowling and the harry potter fanbase
Ladies and gentlemen, a coin:

What the fuck is wrong with Samoa? Like, I can speculate but my speculations are unkind. I don’t want to go there.
It has the same size population as Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Weird stuff happens on islands.
Weird stuff happens on islands.
my dude, that’s a thought stopping phrase. weird shit happens everywhere. there’s this toilet in boston
Ok, it’s probably your racist thing then. Happy?
racist thing?
I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say “racist,” but I can see how someone might think you sound xenophobic. If I didn’t enjoy interacting with your posts so often, I could see how someone would see your tone as trying to “other” and shame an entire culture. But I know that’s usually not where you’re coming from.
What were the “unkind speculations” you wanted to hint at but not articulate?
you’re doing the antisemite thing again starik.
Should the hobby continue to be about both the act of printing and tinkering with printers, or is there a reasonable place for people who want “3D printing” as a hobby but not “3D printers” as a hobby. As part of this, is it okay for a company to lock down its firmware and prevent people from using their printer over a network without going through their software first?
Bambu Lab has made remarkable progress in “mainstreaming” 3D printing but they’ve done so at the expense of a lot of the “soul” of the space. Unlike many of their consumer-facing predecessors and competitors, they are closed-source and proprietary. They make a good product, but you don’t get to have control over it the same way you do with other brands. And that just means other brands are likely to follow suit, now that Bambu Lab has shown it to be an effective strategy.
I mourn the loss of common purpose the hobby once had, but at the same time I do think it’s a natural progression for something new and complex to eventually become consumer-grade. Look at how computers have evolved into rectangles we keep in our pockets.
I want the printing to be the hobby, not the printer, but I also don’t want the consumer-hostile stuff that Bambu is doing to spread.
I’m stuck with an A1 mini and don’t know where to go from here. I’m not an engineer and haven’t had much luck designing anything more complex than a single static part, and I think you really have to be good at making your own stuff for a printer to be a good purchase. But at the same time I’d really like more than a 7x7x7 inch build volume.
and I think you really have to be good at making your own stuff for a printer to be a good purchase.
It really depends on what you want to use it for. I have the skills to make decently complicated parts to print, but 9 times out of 10 I’ll just see if someone has already made something similar and use that instead. If you know you’re gonna be prototyping a bunch of things or testing weird shit out then yeah you should probably know how to operate a CAD program, but if your use case is, “this plastic thing on my very common appliance broke, I wonder if I can print a replacement?” or “these little flexible dragon things are cute” then you just need to know how to use a search bar and your slicer.
if your use case is, “this plastic thing on my very common appliance broke, I wonder if I can print a replacement?” or “these little flexible dragon things are cute” then you just need to know how to use a search bar and your slicer.
I’ve designed a few things, like these pill bottle holders.

I’ve also “reverse engineered” (It’s literally just a wedge) a doorstop that works surprisingly well. I keep misplacing ours at work.
Those simple designs are the foundation of the more complex ones you will create in the future. If you have need and determination, you can design anything!
I keep falling out of the hobby because I don’t want a printer to be my hobby - I want printing to be my hobby. But no matter how many times I try to pick it back up, my printer never produces a good print.
I’m on the other end of the swing again - looking for tuning tutorials to help get my cr10 printing well. I am very open to suggestions.
I do like tinkering with the printer, and I do want that control, but eventually it gets to a point where I just want it to work
Come join us in the resin printing world!
I have it deliniated into 3d printing hobbieiests and 3d printer hobbieiests. Printing people are about what the printer makes Printer people are about building and making the printer do more and more.
I think it’s like cars for car guys vs cars for people who just want to get from place to place. I started with Elegoo and got really sick of all the fiddling it took to get a decent print. I got a Bambu and it just works. I know it’s a “walled garden” but in the end I can print whatever model I want and it comes out great most of the time.
Programming and Linux. Oh boy, what to pick…
Terminal text editors: VIM vs Emacs is the main debate there. (There are others but these are ones people argue the most about)
Linux Distros: Arch, Debian, Mint, CachyOS, …
Init Systems: Systemd vs OpenRC. Honestly, probably the most toxic debate on this list.
Programming Languages: Python, Shell, but the heated one is C vs Rust
A non-exhaustive list of ones I couldn’t think of a category for:
- Tiling vs Floating Window Managers
- Chromium vs Gecko-based browsers
- Bash vs Zsh vs Fish
I love computers and Linux, but man, the amount of toxic in-fighting and gatekeeping is a real turnoff. Just use what you want. At the end of the day, we are all nerds doing what we love.
I am team…
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Nano
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Arch
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Systemd, I don’t see what the fuss is about that TBH
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I don’t wanna even touch that one lol
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I like the carousel kind of things like Karousel or Niri
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Gecko (Librewolf, Floorp etc.)
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Zsh
But yeah I agree, everyone should just do what they want. Having lots of options is one of my favourite things about Linux.
heretic! the only dogmatically correct setup is
- helix
- fedora
- systemd
- rust
- whatever fits your workflow
- gecko
- nushell
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And heaven forbid you actually prefer Windows
actually prefer Windows
I don’t understand. I recognize the words, but in that order, they make no sense.
neovim, opensuse tumbleweed, idk, idk, floating, gecko, bash
my experience is limited tho, and im not strongly opinionated
i like the vi/vim/neovim editor control scheme, not tried much else, nano seems ok too from my occasional use of it
i use opensuse tumbleweed because its rolling release but still pretty stable and installation is easy but allows a lot of customizing, many other distros are good for many other things too, fedora popos and mint are great easy desktops, debian and nixos are great for servers, arch gentoo void nixos and artix are great desktops for nerds, etc. the bad ones are ubuntu (canonical is weird and corporate and makes bad decisions), manjaro (the devs are incompetent), and omarchy (it preinstalls nonfree software (including nordvpn (ew)), ai, and more nonfree software (including chatgpt (even more ai ew) and twitter))(as you might be able to tell i really hate it, its just an installer for some moron’s desktop setup, thats what nixos is for you fucking twat, and its crappily opinionated with crappy opinions)
ive only used systemd distros (opensuse, ubuntu, fedora, debian, raspbian) so idk whether systemd alternatives are better, i just know that systemd is pretty bad in many ways
and im not that much of a programmer, but pretty much all languages are good and useful (except that javascript is useful but not good)
i like floating wms (i use kde plasma) because tiling is a bit annoying (sometimes i want a window to be a particular shape) and because tiling is usually in wms that are not des, ive tried sway and hyprland and the mostly keyboard based control was nice but it not being a de that provides all of that useful stuff was annoying
gecko is better because its more libre, the corporation behind it is dedicated to libre rather than being one of the world’s biggest and evilest megacorps, and it incorporates more pro privacy design. i use librewolf. gecko is poorly separated from firefox tho so im quite hopeful for servo engine now that ladybird is vibe coded slop being rewritten in rust by the cult
i like bash because its the typical well known linux shell that many online resources are about
Mycology is full of them which are mostly the result of genetic sequencing and the good old “where do you draw the line between species” question but a recent and high visibility one is the Collybia shift.
Before genetic testing, Collybia was a genus characterized by smallish pale-spored mushrooms with convex caps, no ring, and gills which are broadly attached to the stem (the simplest shape the average person would imagine for a mushroom), this became one of the classic “statures” of mushrooms “Collybioid”. As we sequenced Collybia species, they were slowly moved into other Collybioid genera like Collybiopsis and Gymnopus. Eventually this resulted in most of the Collybioid mushrooms being moved out of Collybia, leaving only the earliest-discovered mushrooms in the genus which were tiny parasitic mushrooms that weren’t really Collybioid at all.
Here’s an average “Collybioid” mushroom Gymnopus sp.

Then things got worse, a recent paper did a study on genus Clitocybe which is another genus which has a classic stature named after it, “Clitocyboid” which refers to smallish pale-spored, funnel-shaped, mushrooms with gills that run down the stem. This paper discovered that nearly everything we had been calling “Clitocybe” actually belonged in Collybia meaning that most mushrooms in Collybia are now Clitocyboid instead of Collybioid. This has resulted utter chaos which has some mycologists considering invoking the “common usage” rules in taxonomy to put the new Collybias back into Clitocybe to make things less confusing. This chaos has been compounded by the fact that iNaturalist has already accepted this name change, but only for the mushrooms explicitly studied in the paper and not their known relatives which has resulted in the Blewits being split between Collybia and Lepista (which itself was a recent name change from Clitocybe that everyone was still adjusting too).
Average nondescript Clitocyboid (no ID because these are nearly impossible):

A Blewit, AKA Clitocybe/Lepista/Collybia nuda:

This is honestly fascinating.
alot of plants phylogeny is like this, they looked similar enough they are the same species, after doing enough testing, mostly mitochondria, choloroplast they actually are combined into one genus or move into another one. my favorite is mycoheterotrophs(plants that are entirely dependant fungi rather than photosynthesis), thismiaciae was originally though to have evolved in burmannia family,and then thier own family and then back again. finally in the 2020s they realized even thismiacae is polyphyletic. so now south americans thismia’s are likely belonged to another genus entirely(they havnt done significant phylogenetic studies in the SA ones)(seperate from the ones in south east asia, australia, and 1 extinct one in usa which makes it very unusual for it to appear in america), thismiacae is now a full family, and afrothismia was originally included in thismia, until they genetic testing, its entirely “new family” interdependently evolved but related to the ancestors of thismia. trying to trace lineage of mycoheterotrophic plants is difficult because they lose thier cholorplast genes quite easily.
In the Sonic fandom, there’s a debate over which is the “authentic” Sonic: the Western version or the Japanese one. It’s not about design, but rather personality, values, and attitude.
The thing is, the differences between the two are very subtle. Unless you’ve been in the fandom for years and have seen enough material on the subject, they’ll seem exactly the same to you.
My opinion is that “It doesn’t matter”~♪. At this point, there are countless versions of Sonic (the classic, the modern, Sonic SatAm, Sonic X, Archie Sonic, IDW Sonic, Fleetway Sonic, Sonic Boom, Sonic Prime, Movie Sonic…), all with their differences, but in general they share the, let’s say, “essence”* of the hedgehog, and that’s what matters.
*(If you’re not from Latin America, you won’t know how funny it is that I used that particular word)
with Sonic, it would be faster to list what isn’t a big internal debate
Sonic the hedgehog actually existing in fiction might not be a big debate
sonic is real and he is my friend

The one true Sonic:

I always hated sonic.
*Average Sonic Fan opinion*
Sonic has one of the most divisive fandoms I’ve ever seen.
On the one hand, you have some very talented individuals like LakeFeperd, Stealth and Christian Whitehead who have created fan projects and original games that best Sega’s own efforts. But then you get the unhinged parts of the fandom, and then Chris Chan.
I don’t like how the r/sonic, r/sonicthehedgehog and r/moonpissing subreddits have been getting littered with a mix of borderline softcore furry porn and comics focusing around cringe character ships lately.
frantically coloring in Sonic’s arms at a GameStop, armed with pepper spray
Punk/metal/goth/hardcore subcultures and the nature of gatekeeping, poseurs, “selling out”, politics, social causes, and scenes that started out as youth culture now approaching 50yrs of development and have oldheads who never left as well as their grandkids joining up. For the most part the 90s “sell-out” idea that finding mainstream success is betrayal is gone so long as the band continues to be who they always were, some bands are naturally talented and will breakthrough into broader appeal. Gatekeeping can keep a community safe from predators trying to gain access to spaces where youth and intoxicated adults are just trying to have a fun time without having to fear exploitation. Sometimes youth come in trying way too hard and miss the point, sometimes the oldheads forget they were try-hard kids at one point too and are missing the point. In the past year I’ve run into a 65yo in the pit next to sweaty teens and watched a Millennial mom take her 5yo daughter to the edge of the stage and gently lower her into a crowd of tattooed, mohawked, crusty strangers who came together and made sure she floated safely to her dad. Also seen some boneheads get their shit rocked, so for all the debates and bickering we’ve never forgotten what’s really important. Best time I’ve had in the scene in nearly 20yrs.
Yeah, I sometimes get annoyed about the gatekeeping in the hardcore scene (hardcore as in gabber, not punk)
But whenever my friends take me to techno events and I see what happened to the European techno scene after covid, I start to think they might have a point
I can’t believe people still argue over whether or not Balrogs have wings when the text unambiguously says they do. You can have wings and also have a shadow that looks like wings.
His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings. ...suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall...Like two vast wings but then he explicitly says its wings were spread, clearly stating it has wings. To be the most generous you could try to say the wings are made of shadows, but based on the text they’re clearly still wings.
Yes, Balrogs have wings.
I don’t have an opinion on the matter. I’m much more into the worldbuilding and languages than the books themselves, though I’ve of course read and enjoyed them.
Yes you do. Your opinion is the right one, that you don’t like getting attacked by panthers.

Balrogs have wings because how can you expect to go caving without fried chicken? And what’s the best part of the fried chicken? The skin. And what has the most chicken skin? The wings. Not fake boneless chicken nublet basket shit restaurant wings, real wings. So smart ol Balrog goes around trading drumsticks for wings. Of course he’s got wings. Quid. Pro. Quo.
Synthesizers: digital vs analog.
Common opinion holds that analog (specifically oscillators, but also filters and even VCAs [voltage controlled amplifiers]) are warmer and more natural sounding while digital are cold and harsh.
The thing is, digital emulation of analog hardware has become virtually indistinguishable from the real thing, but there is a certain segment that refuses to believe their $5000 Minimoog can be so easily replicated by software (realistically I doubt Bob Moog could tell the difference anymore).
Of course some also choose to argue which is better, which is just ridiculous because they both have their uses depending on what kinds of music you’re composing or just what sounds you’re trying to make.

Well yeah, they can’t afford to buy music. They spent all their money on the high density crystal core gold connector 1 meter headphone cable.
Of course some also choose to argue which is better, which is just ridiculous because they both have their uses depending on what kinds of music you’re composing or just what sounds you’re trying to make.
See, the point you’re missing is that my kind of music is just better. If you prefer <option I dislike>, it’s just because your taste sucks. Try making good music, like <whatever music fits>. Then you’ll see that <option I prefer> is clearly superior.
(I have no idea about synthesisers, but I heard similar discussions among e-guitar / amp enthusiasts. I’m just guessing the above parody fits your case too.)
It fits quite well.
Yeah by the time you add effects, throw that synth into a full mix with other instruments, THEIR effects, and all the compression and EQing in a finished track, the only thing that matters is whether that single instrument adds what it needs to add to the whole.
Objectively, digital oscillators are better - they don’t drift unless you want them to, they stay in tune, and they can always be run through analogue filters to add imperfections (sorry, “warmth”).
But it still boils down to my first point: it’s a single part of a multi-part song. As long as it gets the job done, who cares whether it’s fluctuating voltage or zeroes & ones. It’ll be analogue on its way into the listener’s ear canal either way.
Absolutely. So much nuance is lost in a mix. Not that it’s a bad thing, it’s just dumb to think a $3000 synthesizer is going to sound better than a $10 plugin when you’ve got it buried amongst guitar, bass, drums, and vocals.
Lots of debates about the internal arrangement of the original series Enterprise…
- Bridge: forward facing or offset?
- Engineering: primary or secondary hull?
- Shuttlebay: short or extending under the nacelle pylons?
- How big is this ship, anyway??
How big is this ship, anyway??
This was a particularly goofy handwave in the Lost in Space show as well. :D
“Exactly as big as it needs to be” --Dr. Who fans on the TARDIS, probably
I watched a video on this recently which was able to demonstrate that Engineering was shown in different locations in TOS. So the answer is, “Don’t worry about it.”

In fact, between this and the fact that the Engineering room set changed significantly between seasons 1 and 2, I’ve grown pretty partial to the idea that there are at least two and likely more rooms of a similar layout throughout the ship. Everybody wins.
Woodworking: I have mentioned this a couple times in my lectures on this platform. Festool has a tool called the Domino. It’s the shape of a biscuit joiner but it’s got a router bit that it wags like a dog’s tail. It cuts a deep, narrow, short mortise that pre-made loose biscuits fit into.
This tool is protected under patent so only Festool makes them. They sell two models, a small and a large. The small cost a thousand petrodollars.
It’s very easy to use, it makes strong joints quickly, it’s impossible to afford.
You’ll find there’s a crowd of purists who will spend that much on a chisel and won’t hear anything about it because it’s not “traditional joinery.” Floating tenons are thousands of years old, but okay. You’ve got beginners or hobbyists who can put together the basic tools and are upset when Youtubers use Dominos in projects. Most domino joints can be replaced with dowel joints, but okay. And you get the actual cabinet makers who go “I manufacture cabinets, this lets me do it faster, and time is money.” Which…fair enough.
If you don’t own a plunge router, you don’t care.
Furry Fandom:
How we represent ourselves as a fandom.
Some groups want the fandom to be more clean and family friendly. Some want it to remain weird and not always as family friendly as it currently is.
Some are more okay with using things like cheap plastic animal masks as bases for fursuit heads. Some people don’t want that type of stuff and would rather see bases be either hand made or use something like a sports helmet or mask to build the base around.
Some are okay with us becoming more mainstream and companies like Netflix taking a little more interest in us. Others want corporations to stay away from us.
As for me, you can guess my stance just by the fact of me being here on Lemmy. I’d rather see a base use something not quite as corporate as a cheap plastic junk mask as a base. I would also rather keep our fandom a little less sanitized and more weird to keep the corpos from coming in and turning our fandom into a heavily censored industry.
Yea don’t try be family friendly you know those peoples real intentions.
Someone I went to school with came out as a furry and got heavily involved in the fandom, to the point of helping to organize one of the biggest furry conventions in Europe, but he insisted it wasn’t a sexual or fetish thing.
About five years later, he’s founded a company that makes high quality dragon, werewolf and other bestial dildos.
Lol. Doesn’t surprise me going from “it’s not sexual” to making those products. I’ve gone down a similar rabbit hole, but instead I just consume pretty vanilla yiff art. Major departure from who I was even a few years back.
I was going to say, weird and family friendly please. Acceptable for families but not advertisers sounds wonderful. It’s why we keep our local perverts around.
Would be nice to not represent furries as just a kink. That is missing the point.
The Sims fandom: whether The Sims 4 is a good game or not. Some love it and it’s the only Sims game they play; others hate it and it’s the only one they don’t play. It’s very divisive. Personally, I love 2, 3, and 4 equally, though I’ve never played the original.
Pretty sure I still have 10GB of custom content for Sims 2 on my backup drive. I used to play it so much it took 15 minutes to load due to the sheer amount of mods lol.
The original is my fav simply for the vibes. The music is great, the graphics are charming and the gameplay is simple and fun. Great expansion pack content too. I still have all the original CD copies from when I was a kid.
Sims 2. 4 It’s a bit too complex and realistic for me. I like the very simple models and ideas behind the older games.
I’ve only played Sims 3 and 4. 4 has way better mods, while 3 has better gameplay.
Did you know Sims 4 has certain low-tier items be less performant to ensure players buy more DLCs? Alsp I think early paychecks are smaller too, but that maybe art imitating life.
That said, theoretically it was harder to survive in 2.
I preferred Sims2, but 1 had a lot of charm. It was charming.
I was a massive SIMS2 player. When Sims3 came out and my dude walked away from the wall with the phone and sat on the couch I flipped my shit. Finally can increase social workout comfort going to hell. Haha
I’m into metal crafting and you have no idea how competitive it can get, currently the divide is between whether Bessemer or Cathode steel are superior for bintwork, it’s a form of ring chained gavel produced by different metallurgical processes and it is WILD how heated discussions get, it’s ridiculous considering that most practitioners are in their early teens and create the WORST drama, while us who have been at it since the 1960’s have to accept the sudden influx of kids into the mold because of the success of films such as “Steel Piston” and “Hot Rod”, and frankly I’m done with it and have decided to get into Wicca.
Surely there’s an objective answer from a scientific perspective. And if there isn’t, then the answer is “it depends” - e.g it depends on how you’re shaping it.
People get entrenched.
I think metalworking has less drama than Wicca.
I think you are god damned fucking right and I have decided to go back and pick up my old metal working hobby, those wicca witches be wicked bitches.
























