I didn‘t see any comment mentioning this, but not creating an emergency lane only 10 years ago was a huge problem in Germany. Then the government increased the fines massively and started a big awareness campaign. It took several years, but now it is the norm.
Intervention and change is possible as long as their is political will.
That push in Germany quickly got wider EU traction & it’s finally starting (5~10 years ago?) to be the norm in the main countries too (not just for when the traffic stops completely but even in cases of slow moving traffic like below 60 or maybe 80km/h).
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damn that is a long article
so frustrating to drive in germany and then come back to the us with so many inconsiderate idiots around.
Go drive in an Asian country and come back. The difference is incredible
Yeah, in the US there’s zero chance that opening isn’t filled by drivers who think they’re more important than everyone else.
Well yeah… Because it doesn’t look like people are making room for an emergency vehicle lol
Without context I wouldn’t know what was going on here. US law tells you to pull over to the same side so my first thought wasn’t emergency vehicles. I couldn’t blame a US driver for not knowing German road law
This isn’t pulling over because there’s an emergency vehicle actively there. They’re pulling over because traffic is blocked up, for the possibility that an emergency vehicle may need through. It doesn’t decrease throughput bit it does let emergency vehicles through. If people abuse it then throughput stays the same and they lose the extra benefit.
Fair enough but my point still stands. People aren’t gonna figure out why it’s happening without being taught to do it themselves so yeah Americans would drive right through
Honestly I blame speed limits. On the autobahn you know “if you’re slower, move over”. In the US, inevitably there is someone camping the left lane saying “I’m doing the limit so i have every right to use this as the long distance lane”
Buuut if they’re going the speed limit, how are you supposed to overtake them anyway? You wouldn’t break the speed limit, would you?
Old wisdom says at any time you can drive 10% more than the limit and face no issues
I think I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve seen a US cop pull someone over while going over the speed limit. Most of the time they are sitting in their cars doing fuckall. Other than getting overpaid to scroll on their phones of course.
It still amazes me when I see a huge pedestrian-annihilation-class pickup truck fly past a cop doing 90 mph in a 60 mph zone and absolutely nothing happens. I think to myself, surely they are going to get pulled over. That’s felony speeding.
Nope. That would require the cop to get off their ass and do something. The only time that happens in this country is when there’s a constitutionally protected protest happening or when someone with dark skin is in the vicinity.
Ffffuuuuuu, I’d definitely download a car!
You’ll figure it out in 10 years when your old enough to get your license.
It still boils down to individual vs collective importance and values.
He is right. Do not cross the speed limit or make others cross it. Or if you are really in hurry just use right lane don’t be beemer guy
Drive rush hour here daily, you’ll notice we have a fair share of our own inconsiderate idiots here.
Oh and literal reckless murderers.
I had a very similar feeling moving back from driving in The Netherlands to driving in Portugal.
(Mind you, in Portugal cars do reliably pull over to let emergency vehicles through)
In America it would instantly be filled by cunts trying to cheat their way through traffic.
In Germany, we have laws for that.
…which are enforced?
Because that’s one major issue with the legal system of the USA.If you block the ambulance in Germany, you get punished nowadays.
Whether video evidence of driving through it without blocking an ambulance is enough? I don’t know.
Even trying to enforce the rules is a win in my book.
They are enforced.
Source: I spent nearly 20 years as a medic and a firefighter. And I have had cops arrest and ticket drivers for driving HUA, (Head Up Ass around emergency vehicles.) It’s an easy ticket.
Noice!
But it’s still an issue.
We literally have this. We call it the “shoulder”.
And idiots try to drive on it to skip traffic.
There are shoulders in Germany as well, but they prefer that the ambulance drive through the middle lane.
Right? Around here, each side of a divided highway has two travel lanes marked. There is a narrow shoulder on the left, and a wide shoulder on the right, either of which is adequate for emergency vehicles.
The intended purpose is to facilitate future construction. There is enough room on each side of the median for three lanes plus a narrow shoulder. They can put up a temporary k-rail median and repaint the lane lines to move a lane of traffic across the normal median. They can completely close a lane of traffic for repairs, while retaining at least two lanes (plus a narrow breakdown lane) in each direction.
Using a the shoulder for emergency vehicles is not as good, as they are usually smaller and they are the place where those with damaged vehicles should stop. This means you cannot go as fast on them as you can in the lane shown in the video.
I’d recommend going exactly the same speed on either, and it’s not particularly fast.
Exactly. They have to split the red sea like this in countries like Germany because there is no shoulder. Even in the video you can see if they go off to the side they’re ending up in a ditch.
Nope, im pretty sure the cars on the right are driving on the shoulder. If you look at the opposite side, there is a shoulder that nobody is driving on.
Even drivers in the US are good about it 99.9% of the time if there is anywhere to go, they do get out of the way and stay out of the way. There are heavy fines. And if the Amp-a-Lamps driver can get your plate number, the cops WILL go look for you.
Source: I spent nearly 20 years in Amber-Lamps and fire trucks.
That’s the plan. In real life, only few ambulances manage “to fly through”, there are always some jerks ignoring this rule.
Probably still massively speeds up response times though. I imagine it wouldn’t be that hard to squeeze 2 cars in that given space allowing the emergency vehicle to get past the person not following the rules.
The photo example is extreme. It’s usually narrower.
Well, it’s a high-speed 3-lane road that would fit 5 parked cars curb to curb so Rettungsgasse is where the space goes. Most other roads can barely yield 1 lane but emergency drivers are skilled and European fire trucks are not 1.5 lanes wide; still better to use a narrow free lane between 2 stationary ones rather than one of 2 crawling ones
Prisoners dilemma always wins.
Yeah but not in the way I think you mean: https://ncase.me/trust/
- Prisoners dilemma doesn’t work when people are thinking of tomorrow. Once you take into consideration how your actions affect the decisions other people make in the future, it is always better to cooperate. That’s a big assumption from people, but if they don’t, they are not acting rationally in their own interest like in the dilemma.
- I’m pretty sure this comment is not complaining about people driving through the gap, it’s about people who are too absent minded to create a gap in the first place. In that case that’s not prisoners dilemma at all, they don’t get anything from not moving to the side.
As a german I’m always flabbergasted when people from other countries are amazed by that. It makes sense to do that - help get’s faster to the accident and therefore the road will be cleared much faster than if the emergency services are stuck somewhere in the traffic jam. Do you have this strange behavior in other parts of your daily life, too?
This would require people capable of thinking and having empathy for others
Well that’s what we teach children here 🤷
Here in America you’d get people peeling through the middle
That’s what’s amazing to me. Every single driver resisting the urge to cut the line when the opportunity is right there? Couldn’t be America.
In the US? You mean other than keeping the shittiest health care system in the world just to be sure no money would go to someone who can’t pay?
Our culture is narcissism
Around here, emergency vehicles just drive in the shoulder when this happens.
We Brits got rid of a lot of them (and laughably called them “smart” motorways), so now we just sit there and watch people burn.
Yes, but you’re ignoring the advantages of smart motorways. By removing the hard shoulder, that ensures people who break down can block an entire lane and endanger themselves and others in the process! Smart! Bonus! Win! 👍👍👍👍
I know atleast one country where half the people there would try to use that corridor. So yea it requires some couple levels in civilization.
meanwhile if you did this in my home country, half the people there would just pass to the corridor never questioning for a single second why that corridor exists and why all the others are not using it
Same! Are you in Korea?
nope turns out there is more than one in that case
Anecdotally, 40-ish years ago, one of my mom’s relatives came to visit from Poland. There are a whole lot of wild stories about that visit and from when my mom visited Poland around that same time that highlighted a lot of differences between life in the US and from behind the iron curtain at the time.
While he was here, her relative was amazed to see cars pulling off to the side to let emergency vehicles pass, that was apparently something totally new to him.
Here in the UK we do something similar, though not until we see the flashing lights. We pull across as far as we can in order to allow as much space as possible.
That is the law in the US as well. TWICE I’ve seen someone ignore it and both times other citizens (in cars as well as pedestrians) bully the driver into following it.
Driver: I didn’t have anywhere to go!
Bike messenger: Turn into the fuckin alley or I’m breaking all your lights
Just the other day I watched some luxury SUV sitting dumbfounded in a left turn lane with an ambulance flashing lights and blaring the horn behind it. Oh yeah, the left turn lane was the one that led to the emergency room parking lot. I wish that bike messenger was around then
Bike messenger are the real police. They’ll give a homeless guy a sandwich a then turn around and beat the shit out of a pickpocket.
You do not fuck with bike messengers, they’re pissed off at the world and right to be. Plus they know all the escape routes.
i’m just trying to think of the synchronicity of this. i did the running sports in school because i got good legs. i did the kicking martial arts thing because i got good legs. i am doing the leg exercise midlife crisis thing because blah blah. i’m wondering if i should get some mall ninja throwing stars to go with my new angry midlife crisis this sounds fun
And most time not until the blue lights are right up someone’s ass
The intrusive thought to just pull out and gun it down that road is fucking strong.
i see that regularly, when an ambulance carves out a lane there’s always one or two impatient mfs following it
Which gets fucking expensive quick, because it’s illegal and the probability is high that police and / or ambulance already are at the end of your race track
I mean that’s why it’s an intrusive thought instead of a good idea.
thats seemingly what we do in britain!
“High-ho, Silver! AWAAaYyYy!”
Might be legal if you’re on a motorcycle. If it isn’t, it should be. No reason to not allow lane filtering.
A fast moving vehicle bearing down on an accident site? Nope.
What are you talking about?
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There’s a reason I called it an intrusive thought…
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/s makes it clearer, you’re not just callinge an asshole FYI.
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wait hold on. i don’t see an emergency vehicle. you just do this because traffic is stopped?
how do you think it would work if they only did it when there was an ambulance?
That’s how it works in the UK. You see a blue light in your rearview, then everyone tries to find space and the emergency vehicle proceeds at a clip of 5-10mph, while the affected people ahead burn/bleed etc.
I wonder how much more time they would have needed in this example:
I guess 10 minutes?
I guess so. I think there are a lot of service roads onto the motorway that the public doesn’t have access to, which means in theory the emergency services would never have to drive that far through traffic. But I’m guessing.
Yeah same in France
Same way as in statesia. It wouldn’t
I mean that’s kinda what we do in France and it works mostly fine I think ?
Yes, we are taught to move left or right to create a middle lane during a traffic jam.
Yes
this makes my “i must sort my wires into different lengths and colors” gland so very happy. i must learn your ways.
This needs to be taught in the US and it needs to be enforced. If there’s two lanes on the road.(And I mean, two lanes going one way two lanes going the other way) Then, if it comes to a standstill everybody part so you have a center area that emergency services could drive in
Doing something for the good of people I don’t even know? Sounds dangerously close to socialism! /s
Do emergency vehicles have right of way in the US? Ive seen so many videos of people blocking fire trucks and ambulances. A guy i knew got a hefty fine here in Norway for driving behind an ambulance. We don’t do like the germans, but we immediately make way for all blue lights
Legally, yes, it’s even in the info they give at the DMV and I’ve even seen some people pull to the side (if for no other reason to copy those in front of them) but I know if we left an opening in the center in standstill traffic, some asshole would zoom down it almost immediately. And then probably several more, because again, they just copy each other.
I’ve had people follow me through traffic on the highway, doing what I do, and when they inevitably ride so close they can count the hairs on my head, I slow down to like 35; and they. Never. Get. The fucking. Hint.
I was driving in on an interstate one time, no other cars were around us, I was in the left lane going almost 80 and the person behind me was right up on my ass. So I go to the right lane and slow down to let them pass, and this motherfucker keeps right up on my ass, so I literally slow down to like 20, and they slow right on down with me for about 10 seconds until they finally realize what the fuck is going on.
People here in the US are all fucking goldfish I swear to God.
I can make it a good solid guess as to what happened there. They probably had adaptive cruise control running. For those who don’t know adaptive cruise control is it’s a sensor that will adjust your speed to perfectly match the speed of the person in front of you. If you are using cruise control. The problem is by default adaptive cruise control is set to the shortest distance possible. So it , from the person who is in front , from their perspective it looks like you are riding their ass. It should never be set to the shortest distance possible it should be set so you have about a three second following distance. Most people never adjust this because they’re stupid.
Now, why did they follow you when you change lanes? I’m going to call them a lemming. Well, the other person moved over so I’ll move over too. So as you slow down the adaptive cruise control makes them keep slowing down. And they’re not paying attention until like you said you get down about 30 miles an hour. Then they realize what’s going on.
Here’s the fun part when they pull out to go around you. If they speed up normally their engine doesn’t get gunned really hard. But if they just pull out, the adaptive cruise control kicks in and realize oh there’s nobody in front of me and I’m supposed to be going 80 mph. And the car will absolutely freaking gun it. It’ll go into overdrive. And if you aren’t prepared for that it’s quite the jolt.
And yeah they are basically goldfish and lemmings out there.
The particular case in my story didn’t have a super recent car that could have adaptive cruise control (also, ime ACC is never set at the closest but default, but either the second or farthest setting), so they were definitely just driving terribly.
That’s interesting that your experiences that adaptive cruise control is never set to the closest. Every time I go to test driving new vehicle and when I say new, I mean very low miles like 15 miles or something. I checked the adaptive cruise control. It’s always set to the closest possible setting.
Logical, reasonable people do. Entitled ass holes usually do not move.
Yeah you would need like 99.9% of the drivers in the US to agree to this. I don’t think you could even get 70% of the selfish fucks on our roads to do this. Guaranteed 3 out of 10 cars would wonder why everyone else is a bunch of losers and head straight down the middle, which would never actually exist in the first place because 7 out of 10 cars being considerate is nowhere near enough…
Half of them would be too busy drooling into their laps to even notice what was going on.
That’s crazy, all these suckers waiting while there is an open lane right there!!
There are easier ways to say you drive a Mercedes.
How can there be traffic if there are two empty lanes? We’ve already added more lanes, the traffic has been solved. If the ambulance needs to get through, they should add a fifth lane. (/s)
A+ happy German narration.
In Paris, government people and/or VIP use fake ambulances to take advantage of this and avoid being stuck with us peons.
