Bubba Copeland shot himself in front of police on Friday, days after he begged 1819 News not to expose his private life.
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I love what John Oliver said on his segment about I believe Lindsay Graham.
Paraphrasing, he could have helped usher in the change that would have made his lifestyle more acceptable and more inclusive. But he wanted power.
These people choose to be a Republican. They choose to associate with a party that is actively trying to eliminate the very people they are and the sad thing is that they think they are the exception. They think the party will accept them.
And the hard, harsh truth is that they are only accepted so long as it’s convenient. I think he knew this and that’s why he chose to end his life.
It’s sad that he felt he had to do that. But I’m not holding my breath for the GOP to say that they learned a lesson from it.
Being a mayor of a small town and being a US Senator or even House Rep are two very different things. It is very likely that, despite being Republican, he did nothing to further Republicanism with the power that he did have.
Most of the time, mayors really just do small town mayor shit like approving a tree to be cut down or asking the state for a road to be fixed. They’re not usually involved with politics in the way Lindsey fucking Graham is.
He also apparently did not have overt anti-LGBTQIA+ values, beyond being a member of the GOP.
Yes and (?) was never antisemitic, beyond being member of the nazi party. (???)
If you are part of a party that stands STAUNCHELY against queers, you don’t deserve solidarity for being queer.
You can blame that on the US’s bipartisan system rather than the multiparty system it is supposed to be.
What other option would he have, the democrats? What if there are things that they did he didn’t agree with either? 3rd party is out the window because it would take minimum 2 elections to get their candidate in office.
Oh no, poor guy had literally no choice but to participate in a corrupt system by going into politics and becoming a mayor 😭
Get the fuck outta here.
Ah yes, you shouldn’t go into politics to make the changes you would like to see because the “system is corrupt”
Man, imagine being that retarded. The forefathers would have never revolted against the British if that logic actually made any sense whatsoever.
The problem is that he joined the especially notoriously infamously corrupt and evil side, dumbass.
Whoops! It seems like you may of missed what I wrote, no worries though, I got you covered.
Ah yes, you shouldn’t go into politics to make the changes you would like to see because the “system is corrupt”
Man, imagine being that retarded. The forefathers would have never revolted against the British if that logic actually made any sense whatsoever.
Fighting evil with evil doesn’t make you a good guy. Don’t be evil, you can defeat fascists while still being a decent human being.
Plenty of options. Didn’t have to be a shaman, didn’t have to live in a sheit tier state, didn’t have to run for public office, didn’t have to support the GOP. He went up to the leopard and screamed “eat my face”.
I mean, he was 62 years old you know, not like he could just turn his life around on a dime given the position he was in.
The dude was not hurting anyone. He clearly wanted to help operate the city, you have zero chance of winning with the democratic party in the vast majority of deep south states. Being a part of a party does not mean you believe in every single view that someone in your party holds, why do you think half the GOP is trying to get rid of Trump?
And would you stop with this leopard eating shit? I have read it here like 40,000 times. Suicide isn’t a joke, this is borderline not even a story about politics FFS. Save it for actually funny shit.
Boy that leopard is getting fat. Must be from all the faces it is eating. He fed the leopard for fucking decades.
You really think his church gives a shit? I bet during their weekly pretend time this morning they were celebrating.
Did I say anything about a church?
Are you an actual human being? I don’t give a shit about the church, I don’t give a shit about religion in general at all actually.
The fact you mentioned that raises my suspicion that you are a bot or something
I am mentioning the church. He was a leader for a denomination of Christianity infamous for the degree of its anti-LGBT stances. Decades feeding the hate machine. And I bet you anything that today they those people who said a thousand good morning to him are happy that he killed himself.
The final unavoidable conclusion of Christianity is to kill its own.
Yeah that’s a fair point
Would you blame a secret jew for jojning yhe Nazi party if that was a way of keep away from a concentration camp?
i guess not, good point
Was this guy at threat for being queer in America?
But the rest of the small minded fucks in his small minded town who were laughing and pointing? And the asshole who outed him? Now THAT’S a different story, and I hope their laughter becomes a curse to them.
How many of those are also hiding their sexuality/gender just because of the same reasons that you mentioned?
Im sorry for the guy that shot himself, but he was part of the problem. It doesn’t matter the reason why someone is a church goer, Trump supporter, one less of them is always good.
Stop white washing this shithead. He was a horrible person who was perfectly fine persecuting others BUT THE FUCKING IMSTANT IT CAME BACK ON HIM HE OFFED HIMSELF.
THIS WAS NOT A GOOD PERSON, CLOSET LGBTQ OR NO.
You got a source for that, besides simply being a member of the GOP in s location where there is no plausible alternative?
no plausible alternative?
Are you kidding me!? “He had to be part of the anti-LGBTQ party because of where he lived”. Fuck out of here with that nonsense. I deleted my longer comment, let me sum it to for you:
- He didn’t have to live in Alabama
- He didn’t have to be part of the anti-LGBTQ+ (or any) party
- He didn’t have have to run for political office
- He didn’t have to engage in crossdressing
If any of those conflict with each other, well; life is about choices. Anything less is cowardice.
Get a grip. I asked for a source that the person, who you all are celebrating the suicide of, was actually a terrible person or partook in the persecution of others.
That was the assertion that I was responding to, and none of that was mentioned in any source in this thread besides wild assumptions by people simply for being in the republican party in a small town.
He stood at the pulpit that makes him party to the persecution of others.
None of those words backs up your assertion, which was that there was “no plausible alternative” to being a GOP politician in Alabama. You can’t defend it because it’s complete nonsense.
Also, I didn’t celebrate his death, and I haven’t seen anyone else do so either…
This person partook in the persecution of others. proof? they were in the GOP. there’s your proof.
And nobody is celebrating suicide. This person is not a hero is all that is being said.
Is it implausible that perhaps this person wished to hide within the GOP to escape its suspicions about their personal life? A Democrat mayor in a deeply Republican area would attract a lot of distrust and hostility simply by virtue of being a Democrat. A Republican mayor, not so much.
Is every trans person morally obligated to leave every institution that persecutes them? Even when to do so would scrutiny?
You heard it here folks, association by organization means you did the same thing some other shitheads did.
The secretaries for concentration camps? They gassed the Jews themselves, might as well have anyways, based on that logic.
Let’s take it even further, all Germans are bad because of what Hitler did to the Jews, after all, they are ASSOCIATED with the SS, being in the same country and culture and all, they all obviously have symmetrical views because all people really believe the same thing even in a party such as the GOP.
(Don’t you dare try to pretend those analogies flew over your head, work with me here)
Grow up, it’s not about him “being a hero”, nobody here is claiming that. The fact you came to that conclusion somehow on your own is evidence enough that you are celebrating his death. Have some respect, it seems pretty clear to me that he had second thoughts atleast some point in his life about his political decisions, had no way out, and when someone threatened to take even that away, made the last mistake you can ever make on your own accord. Please have some respect just as you would wish for yourself.
Fuck off nazi apologist.
It isn’t binary
(Don’t you dare try to pretend those analogies flew over your head, work with me here)
lmao I loved this part.
You have a good point, I’m starting to think I was in a hateful mood yesterday. I still don’t think this person was a hero but it’s truly very sad that they had to hide this part of their life, and were so scared of the public’s opinion that they killed themselves.
If you choose to part of an organization dedicated to dominance at other’s expense you’re not a good person.
He was not forced to be a GOP.
He would be if he wanted to become a mayor
Not really local level most people do care. My area is blue and my ward has a GOP council member. I did vote for him.
besides simply being a member of the GOP in s location where there is no plausible alternative
You know that democrats do live in Alabama, right?
You got a source for ur bullshit? No alternative?? Lmfao ok yeah right.
Source: rural Alabama and a basic understanding of political party distribution in the US
Yeah a 3rd grade understanding. Like there are no Dems in the south.
In most rural areas of the South, it’s a racial divide between which are Republican or Democrat. Where I’m from, a white person being a Democrat would be, and are, actively threatened and hurt if they voice their opinion (by white Republicans).
*She was a horrible person.
*SHE OFFED HERSELF.
ftfy
Cross dresser != Trans
She identified as trans and was offering advice on HRT on Reddit.
This person never called or asked anyone to call them she. What the fuck are u even talking about? Get a grip.
Also a pastor, “shot himself in front of police during a welfare check.” It also appears that his wife was aware and involved with the hobby (not with the suicide), presumably in a supporting way.
I may disagree very strongly with this guy’s politics, but fuck the assholes who make this shameful.
@Poutinetown quotes from the article:
… even though it does not appear [Copeland] had taken any public positions against LGBTQ issues that could be construed as hypocritical.
These are the assholes who make it shameful.
Leopard face eating moment
This is a rare example of the leopard eating its own face!
It’s not a “rare example”, it’s the whole point of the leopard-eating-face thing. People support a political party and then react with shock when the party carries through with its promises in a way that hurts them.
It’s not news when someone votes for the leopard and then sits back smugly while the leopard eats the faces of other people.
I’m referring specifically to the act of him killing himself.
Republicans have a track record of voting against their own interest and *shocked pikachu* oh no! These policies are hurting me??
This guy took it a step further by being the one to pull the trigger.
…if only that wasn’t rare. If our nation’s trash made a habit of taking itself out as this fucker did, a lot of problems would get fixed very quickly. The opposite is usually what happens - evil shits are like cockroaches.
Your comment here is seriously making me rethink ever partaking in political discussion, let me just wrap my head around this for a second;
So you think this guy deserved to kill himself or die because of some of his political beliefs? How are you better than they are exactly? Look at me, no tolerism bullshit or anything like that when I say this.
Nobody deserves to die because of social issues or image.
See, every time that objection pops up, it’s always wrapped up into “just because of political beliefs” or “a difference of opinion” like the core of the problem is a disagreement over spending a city’s budget on a new bridge vs a new rail station; or whether or not pineapple belongs on pizza.
This guy’s “political beliefs” is that life should be hell for a long list of out-groups. Working toward that goal makes him evil, and being evil means he should be removed from power by whatever means available. In this case, he did us all a favor by eating a bullet. Ideally he would have taken all this as a point of self reflection, realized the hypocrisy of his dilemma, and abandoned the evil shit to go on to advance policy that actually made his community a better place. Instead he decided to abandon his life. And in doing so, this world became a little less evil, which is a win for the rest of us.
Personally I’m over the sentiment that no one deserves to die. It keeps villains in power, which feeds into the suffering and deaths of everyone else. When one of those assholes decides to commit suicide for whatever reason, or fatally runs their car into a tree, or gets hit by a well-placed meteor, etc: the loss of evil is worth celebrating.
Sadly this is a prime example.
The blog reported that Copeland, a Republican, confirmed that the accounts were run by him, saying they were a “hobby” he used for “getting rid of stress.” 1819 News reported that Copeland asked them to not out him, but they did so anyway, even though it does not appear he had taken any public positions against LGBTQ issues that could be construed as hypocritical.
even though it does not appear he had taken any public positions against LGBTQ issues that could be construed as hypocritical.‘’
Being GOP and anywhere on the LGBTQIA spectrum is inherently hypocritical.
'Ol Bubba knew the wolves would turn on him.
But anyway, what is with this. Is it that this secretive cross-dressing thing seems correlated with repressed sexual desires or what?
JCS covered that one Canadian colonel serial killer who would cross-dress, sneaking into women’s homes.
Then I just watched this 48 Hours case about a dad who killed his son after they found pictures of him cross-dressing and literally eating his own shit.
Wtf?
People tend to sexualize the taboo. In a society where gender is seen as set in stone and comes with a bunch of stupid bullshit like what clothes it’s socially acceptable to wear some people will sexualize violating the taboos
Hate is a strong emotion. Hatefucking is a real thing. I’m sure Pornhub has data showing an increase of searches for Middle Eastern people after 9/11.
Alright, not gonna lie that last one threw me for a loop.
Pretty sure it was the last part that caused him to do that, I think the gap between crossdressing and scatophagy (is that a word yet?) is pretty far.
Yeah I want a world where nobody is persecuted for this, even pieces of shit.
You’d think some empathy would be in order. However, judging from the comments made on the bird website, many people are actually proud of this happening.
This is tragic but I feel like shaking the people trying to shame or guilt the ones who outed and ridiculed the Mayor.
“Are you happy now?”
Yes, of course they are. The cruelty is the point.
Do we know if he was anti-trans? It’s super sad that he had to actually kill himself because he couldn’t be himself. The GOP has created a really shitty life for a lot of people.
He’s conservative and even had a meeting with Trump. That’s the worst of it I think, he was ok with persecuting trans people till he was outed.
To be fair, being trans is not the same as being a crossdresser.
Seriously? I sincerely didn’t know that. Do you mind explaining the difference?
It’s basically the same as how Drag Queens aren’t trans. They aren’t fully conforming to the idea of being a ‘woman’, just the fashion and expression of it. Many prominent drag figures use she/her pronouns while in drag but immediately switch back to he/him when out of drag.
That makes sense to me, one is who they are and the other is just being playful with how they present themselves, at least that’s how I perceive drag queens. I think that’s what you’re saying anyway. I get the sense though, he was so seriously taking the “cross-drossing” because it was more of a reflection of who he is. But I’m just guessing and we’ll probably never know.
I’ve known a lot of people who really get into cross dressing but would never consider themselves trans.
I never really got into a serious conversation about it, but I always took it like when you get into a video game. It’s just a lot of fun pretend to be them for awhile while knowing that in reality it’s fiction.
'Course, then there are the folks for whom crossdressing is entirely different from being trans until suddenly it’s not. (I’m thinking of crossdressing comedian Eddie Izzard – who is now Suzy Izzard – as I write this.)
The main thing is that all possibilities are possible, and it’s really more about letting folks do their thing instead of trying to categorize.
Here are the Google definitions
Transgender - denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth.
Transvestite - a person who dresses in clothes primarily associated with the other sex (typically used of a man).
But they both have trans in the name, that’s why it’s confusing.
So do transfats. Don’t tell me you get that confused too
Don’t even get me started on transmissions.
Crossdressing and/or drag is you like to be outwardly a woman/other gender. Trans is you ARE a woman. Full stop. Your meat suit just happens to not agree with it, thus the term gender dysphoria.
Note: I do not speak for a trans people. Nothing is black and white. This is just how I understand it best and figured it got the point across.
FYI, I am looking to learn and not state anything as fact here. I am just going to explain my current understanding and if it is incorrect, please correct me.
I think gender dysphoria just describes any feelings of distress and anxiety caused by suppressing the feelings of actual gender identity. The disconnect between mind and body may not always be traumatic.
So, if a trans woman has fully embraced being a woman in all aspects of life with no second thoughts, gender dysphoria may not be an issue.
However, if a trans woman feels socially pressured to maintain the lifestyle of a man, that could be a source of stress, anxiety and initial confusion.
There are probably millions of nuanced scenerios that do, or, do not result in gender dysphoria. However, it has been my experience that most people who are anti-trans use gender dysphoria as a generalized blanket term. (Obviously, that doesn’t mean that anyone who used the term is anti-trans, but just covering that base regardless.)
Trans is you ARE a woman.
You think you are.
You where born in the wrong body but the technology isn’t there yet to change that fact. That’s why it’s still called Transgender. if you could just switch Cis bodies I’m not sure anyone wouldn’t try it out.
I’m with famous cross dresser Barry Humphries in considering gender affirming surgery self mutilation, but at the end of the day it’s none of my or anyone else’s fucking business what someone does with their own meat suit.
Maybe this will help?
Crossdressing and drag are related to gender expression. Cis and trans are terms relating to a person’s gender identity and may or may not align with gender expression.
That illustration is sweet
By no means am I an expert, especially on the intricacies of being trans and I don’t want to cis-splain their experiences, but I do know that cross dressing has an overlap of necessity with them, but it’s a ven-diagram/intersection rather than a circle.
People who are trans typically explain it as having always felt like they’ve always been in the wrong gendered-body. Wearing clothes that correspond to the gender they feel they are
(also, keep in mind MRI’s have shown brain activity that more closely matches the gender they feel they are than the gender they were born with, as well) is way for them to try and reconcile the way they feel with the way they were born. It’s usually an early stage in socially transitioning, whether they later choose to chemically/medically transition or not (and keep in mind, this is not always the end goal for people … simply being acknowledged as the way they see themselves is enough for some people and they shouldn’t be afraid to be in public because of that!).People who cross dress on the other hand may be doing it because they’re trans and feeling out the early stages OR … just because. It could be the way a textile feels, it could be sexual, it could be non-sexual, it could be because they just like it, it could be because … you see where I’m going with this? There are as many reasons that people cross dress as there t-shirt designs (I may be exaggerating a bit with that one, but you get my meaning, I think).
I know NOFX is problematic, but I feel like “I’m a Transvest‐Lite” explains it decently (for one particular person anyways!):
I’m not transgender, I’m a lazy crossdresser
Who thinks makeup is too much of an ordeal
I paint my toes and wear shiny tight clothes
Not for the look, but how it makes me feel
I don’t need things just right, I’m a tranvest-lite
I only shave to do the Time Warp midnight Saturday
I’m done with self-pity, I don’t have to feel shitty
'Cause I wanna look pretty, so I give it the old city College try
Don’t get me wrong, I still wanna be a guy
Who sometimes likes to dress like a girl
(He sometimes likes to wear diamonds and pearls)
Don’t think I don’t know I’m not fooling anyone
(He’s a cross between Adele and Charlie Chaplin)
You gotta know it’s not just girls who just wanna have fun!Also, the beginning of the song is about the shame felt early on about it and is generally about getting the courage to not give a flying fuck about what people think.
Hopefully I did a decent enough explanation without trampling on anyones lived experiences. The simple truth is that both groups of people have completely individualized experiences and it’s a different journey for every single person.
That’s fair, it’s still sad though.
Did you even read the article? It’s specifically says that he was supportive of trans people.
I feel pity for this person, they deserved better.
That said. You cannot be supportive of LGBT people, and vote for the Republican party. Republicans are quite openly hostile to LGBT people, both in rhetoric and in policy. You can’t say you are supportive of a group while voting to strip them of their legal recognitions and protections.
I agree with your comment, and I don’t think you’re saying otherwise. But definitely important to note that a lot of LGBT+ folks start off on the wrong side because of how they were raised, religion, etc. and the internal trans/homophobia that causes.
That said, there are also though a sizeable number of LGBT+ “one of the good ones” who think their support of republicans will keep them from being targeted by the laws they want to introduce (it won’t. This case itself is proof of that.)
I think that’s the important lesson to learn here for anyone voting republican and being a part of the LGBT community. The people you are voting for will not let you be just because you’re voting for them.
Did you read the article? He literally spoke with people online about how to transition and such. That is supporting them.
So telling someone what dose of estrogen to take makes up for voting to oppress people? Throwing someone a rope while kicking their head is not support.
You don’t know how he voted. Stop making stuff up.
He did his job as a Republican politician, so I pretty much do. Or do you suppose he voted Democrat or did not do his job?
I take small umbrage with the idea that you cannot support LGBTQ people and vote in a way that doesn’t support your personal beliefs.
We are all of us paradoxical and hypocritical. Maybe they weren’t pro-republican they were anti-democrat. I don’t fucking know.
That aside, I get what you’re saying, but your political stance is not the end all and be all of who you are, and as the Republican party has proved beyond any shadow of any doubt being hypocritical is the name of their game.
This one person could have been very pro-trans and yet still support the Republican agenda in every other way.
Plus, we don’t know if they were pro-trans or LGBTQ, all that we know is that they were not publically anti-trans.
I take small umbrage with the idea that you cannot support LGBTQ people and vote in a way that doesn’t support your personal beliefs.
I don’t care.
You cannot vote to make someone’s life measurably worse, and claim to support them.
That’s not my “personal beliefs”, this is people’s lives and wellbeing.
We are all of us paradoxical and hypocritical.
That is fair. And that is why I pity this person. And why I’m not talking about Leopards Eating People’s Faces. This person was clearly troubled.
That doesn’t change what I’m saying though. I’m not trying to morally judge this individual with what I’m saying. All I am saying is that the net effect of the actions of someone who votes Republican, is not supportive of LGBT people, regardless of their personal beliefs.
Maybe they weren’t pro-republican they were anti-democrat. I don’t fucking know.
That’s worse. You understand how that’s worse, right?
This one person could have been very pro-trans and yet still support the Republican agenda in every other way.
Human rights are pretty much a deal-breaker. Or at least they should be.
Plus, we don’t know if they were pro-trans or LGBTQ, all that we know is that they were not publically anti-trans.
You have misinterpreted my comment. I’m not trying to judge this person.
I’m making a general statement that it is not possible to support a demographic while simultaneously voting to take away their legal recognitions and protections.
For some people, there are only ever two sides, one all good, one all bad and there can not be people in-between or on each side that aren’t 100% a walking trope integrated with all traits of the “side”. It’s quite sad really.
We seriously need to do away with our two party system. Everything wrong with the country and the division is due to that. Ranked choice voting needs to be a priority.
The trump meeting was because his town was badly hit in a natural disaster, not necessarily something that he would have sought kut
Reading other articles it seems like no, he was generally very positive and encouraging to others online. The impression I get (from 10 minutes of reading, not saying this conclusively) is that he was not overtly hostile whatsoever to trans people.
There are enormous social pressures in small conservative towns, and the man was 63. I can imagine life leading someone otherwise pro-trans into being a republican preacher in that environment. An awful tragedy
This. People are complicated, even when it is inconvenient.
it does not appear he had taken any public positions against LGBTQ issues that could be construed as hypocritical
Except for being a member of the anti LGBTQ party.
Yeah, but so is Caitlyn Jenner…
How anybody takes someone like that seriously is beyond me
You’ve got me. I don’t understand why any trans person would be a Republican, but I guess money trumps all when you’re rich.
Because they (wrongly) believe that being “one of the good ones” will save them from being targeted by republicans and their proposed legislation like Project 2025
That doesn’t mean people who have previously voted red are in the wrong (lots of internalized homophobia can lead to opposite beliefs). But once you realize your identity and continue to vote against yours and other people’s human rights, you’re absolutely in the wrong.
Pretty sure there were slaves that actively sought to maintain slavery. In some cases, they had relatively decent lives compared to other slaves and even some free black people.
I would imagine that becoming mayor in certain parts of the country is much easier if you’re a member of the dominant party in the region.
Or existing in society at all. Sometimes in those parts of the country the first question upon meeting someone is “what church do you go to”.
He didn’t have to become mayor.
No, he didn’t. But people get to want things. Sometimes they want things for themselves, sometimes they want things for their communities.
You can disagree with your party on one issue. There are tons of Democrats who are opposed to increased gun control, for example.
But it’s not just “an issue”. We are talking about a demographic and their legal recognition. No I’m sorry but we cannot agree to disagree on something so fundamental as equal treatment of people.
It’s not comparable gun control.
I’m talking about whether people are physically capable of breaking with their party on a single issue. They obviously are.
Disagreeing on policy is one thing; disagreeing on human rights is another. You cannot be a Republican and have respect for queer rights at the same time. It has to be a 100% deal-breaker.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. There are tons of Republicans who support gay rights in some fashion, even if it’s not a majority position within the party.
No, there are precisely zero Republicans who support gay rights. What you’ve cited is a poll showing some who claim to, but are lying. Their deeds, not their words, prove their true intentions.
How likely are those Democrats to get bullied to the point of suicide if their “secret” of being against increased gun control was to come out? Or to preemptively commit suicide in anticipation of the bullying they’re going to receive?
This is not the same thing. Democrats are, generally speaking, flexible about a lot of their positions. It’s how they wind up with problem members like Manchin and Sinema. The Republican party is very different.
That’s not the right comparison. He didn’t commit suicide because he was ashamed of supporting gay rights, he was ashamed of wanting to cross dress and of having engaged in the activity. Regardless of politics, that’s a pretty uncommon behavior. Most people don’t want other people to know they’re a sexual deviant of some kind. I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left, for sure, but the point is that it’s not just the breaking from the standard beliefs of that side.
I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left
And that, right there, is exactly my point.
Good luck trying to get the terminally online to understand the nuances and complexities of the human condition
The GOP has created a really shitty life for a lot of people.
It’s a feature, not a bug.
He was a Baptist minister too…
I don’t think many of them preach acceptance of LGBT
Which is weird because in the Bible there’s more mentions of beating women being okay, then of homosexuality being wrong.
Some do. It’s just correlation because low church denominations like Baptists suit rural areas more than being at the behest of a large denom.
He was a Republican so yes he voted repeatedly to hurt LGBTQ people AS LONG AS IT WASNT HIM
If you read the article, it said, about halfway through, that he never spoke up on LGBTQ issues despite being a Republican.
It says he hasn’t posted or supported anything publicly so he wasn’t a hypocrite, he belonged to the wrong party though, I do feel bad for his family because he doesn’t seem to be a right wing asshole
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Could have just said he’s a conservative.
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This comment section is hilarious. Some people are praising his suicide simply because he was a part of the republican party, while others are saying that “no one deserves being bullied for being trans” yet what everyone seems to miss is this guy was a grade A pervert who was posting pictures of real children in his transition fetish memes that he posted online. He also stalked a local business woman and wrote erotica about taking over her life and becoming her through hormones and surgery then murdering her and replacing her. A real woman btw.
So much cognitive dissonance in this thread and I’m here for it.
Read up what he did here https://1819news.com/news/item/to-say-i-was-a-stalker-would-be-a-bit-of-an-understatement-curvy-transgender-smiths-station-mayor-copeland-wrote-fiction-about-murdering-real-life-local-businesswoman-assuming-her-identity
The OP buried the lede intentionally or unintentionally. Dude was a grade A creeper and a psycho.
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I haven’t noticed a single person praising this persons death. It seems you really enjoy the website the news came from though. Another poster says they’re extreme right wing garbage. You also act as if you have a personal stake in the destruction of this persons reputation. Granted he had some immoral fantasies. He was definitely terrible and I’m not trying to defend him, but What’s your horse in this race?
You clearly did not look hard enough in this thread. Plenty of people say he got what he deserved for being a republican.
He was definitely terrible and I’m not trying to defend him, but What’s your horse in this race?
I have no horse in this race. Just discussing a piece of news on a discussion forum.
Right. As if pointing out obvious ignorance is all of a sudden a Personal thing. Good job, bro, I saw the value in your comment.
Discussion or debate is supposed to be the reason for this forum, not doxxing people.
Damn you really want everyone to shut up about this. It’s definitely relevant to bring up the fact that this dude made murder fantasy erotica as part of his grotesque fetish. I would wager that’s why he felt the need to kill himself, not because he was trans. It’s not doxxing to post the disgusting history of a sick person. The only thing even close to dox is his real name, which I think we can all agree doesn’t constitute as doxxing, especially if he’s a public figure.
He’s already dead, how is it relevant?
Dead POS. Good.
You probably shouldn’t read Steven King with that logic. Fiction is fiction. Unless you want to punish for a thoughtcrime.
He wrote it about a real woman in the area without her consent. You are being a sexual harassment apologist.
It is sexual harassment?
Yes it is. And everyone would agree it is if this person was not trans.
It’s not only a sexual harassment, but also a documented intention to kill. The guy deserves to be thrown in jail. But it worked out even better in the end.
What are you?
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because he holds public office and is posting pictures of children to porn sites and stalking local women? Do you not think public officials should have their disgusting misdeeds documented?
I think it’s worthwhile to question an unknown outlet. If it’s a tabloid level rag then perhaps I should doubt the pilling on, if any of the smear worthy stuff might be fabricated.
No matter the outlet, if the material is accurate, then yes it’s reasonable. However we always have to be wary of folks outright making up stuff.
You think this random conservative blog decided to write a whole fake erotic fan fiction? Which parts are you claiming to be false, they provide a lot of evidence.
I’m not claiming it to be true or false, just saying I understand why someone might sincerely ask for folks to share anything they might know about the outlet in general.
However, the stance of “well, you better have a lot of evidence to be skeptical of a random unkown outlet” seems to be setting oneself up to be a sucker to anyone from any side.
I think the issue is that the question doesn’t appear to have been asked earnestly. Preemptively answering your own question with “sounds like activism” communicates you have already formed an opinion. If you’re asking out of genuine interest, check your preconceived notions at the door and only ask the question. Just “what is this 1819 site? Are they known to be a reputable source and do they demonstrate bias?” Is a good way to ask it.
article doesn’t say anything about child porn. I’m thinking it’s a bullshit conservative “news” site muddying the waters.
I didn’t say it was child porn. Also there are archives out there of his accounts where he posted these pictures. But sure you can cover your ears and run away if you want.
and is posting pictures of children to porn sites
yes you did you lying POS
I think it happens a lot more than 1819 posts about it.
The Left:
- Slurs are bad
- Transphobia is bad
- Ableism is bad
- Restorative justice is better than retributive justice
- Move people left
- Disregard points 1-5
The right:
- Hate everything that isn’t them.
How convenient that everybody who disagrees with you is a lying cartoon.
Here’s somebody who disagrees with me, promoting ethnic cleansing.
Have fun no-true-scottsmanning them
TIL one thread you don’t like constitutes “The Left”.
If they are not your ally, go tell them that
Because it would make you feel better? Or because anybody who disagrees with you automatically faces a higher standard to prove their values than anybody who agrees with you?
Your talking point shifted from pretending leftists didn’t do this, to endorsing the leftist who did this.
Stfu with your dumbass propaganda.
I found a Leftist promoting ethnic cleansing right here.
Christianity once again demonstrates it’s outstanding moral virtues.
Could make the same comment about Islam and suicide bombers. As it’s easy to do with the two largest religions in the world to paint them with the same brush.
Yes and? You just told me that if I am complaining about one serial killer I could also complain about another
Not the case here. This person was posting photos of local minors to pornographic websites and writing sex fantasy fiction about local residents (including one where he stalks and murders a local businesswoman, seduces her husband, and steals her life).
I agree with what you’re going for here. It just doesn’t apply here. There’s a whole rabbit hole to go down before coming to any conclusions about this one.
Doubt.
Ok I’m just making it up.
Believing what you want to believe rather than what is actually real and happening is why the world is so frightening at the moment.
Enjoy your bubble.
I mean do you have any kind of reliable source? Because none of that stuff is in the article OP posted.
I think it’s a good reminder that one of Hitler’s closest “friends” and instrumental in the rise to power of the nazi party, was executed in the night of the Long knives. Ernst Rohm was publicly known to be gay. Due to this close relationship with Hitler, they determined it would weaken Hitler’s image.
Copeland certainly won’t be the last GOP casualty due to their bigoted policies.
Well, the fact that he was gay is perhaps a sidenote to the internal power struggle in the nazi Party, and the struggle between the SA and the SS. Hitler stayed in power by playing the people beneath him against each other, and Himmler was particularly ruthless in this regard to the very end of WW2.
Did not help Röhm that he was gay tho’
this wouldn’t be the first comment thread to speculate about the gayness of Nazis and Hitler, but i’m here for it
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It was not because he was “wearing woman’s clothing” he wrote grotesque fanfiction about them using their real name about him stalking a local business woman and assuming her identity. He also posted pictures of kids to porn sites. He was not just some closted transgender person.
Source please?
I’ll hold judgment until I get a second source.
#LeopardsAteMyFace
Equally, the party where lots of men are wearing women’s clothing secretly.
Hours before Copeland’s death, Hemant Mehta, who runs the popular religion blog Friendly Atheist, noted that Copeland did not appear to have bigoted views toward transgender people or people who simply enjoy cross-dressing.
“There’s a story making the rounds about an Alabama preacher/mayor who secretly dresses in drag and adopts the persona of a trans woman on social media,” Mehta tweeted. “The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”
Mehta tweeted. “The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”
Maybe we shouldn’t be outing anyone. One’s personal sexuality isn’t anybody else’s business. Even if one is a bigot.
I think there is a good argument to be made for outing someone closeted who is using their power to oppress LGBT+ people, but there is also a trend of labeling any homophobic politician as being in the closet when a lot of them are just plain old bigots.
I think there is a good argument to be made
I’m sorry, but I must vehemently disagree. There is absolutely no reason to discuss publicly someone’s private sexual preferences. Otherwise, you have the society they want where witch-hunts can be started over rumors.
there is also a trend of labeling any homophobic politician as being in the closet
That is also bad, and should not be tolerated.
If I’m being oppressed I would like to know if the thing I’m being opposed for is something my oppressor practices. That is called injustice.
It’s called none of your business. You can’t expect someone to adhere to a standard you refuse to recognize. It’s classic, “Rules for thee…”
But I can expect them to adhere to a standard they’re using to oppress me.
That is actually a different thing. And I agree, but you still shouldn’t be outing them.
Excuse me? Are you for, “rules for thee but not for me”? I cannot decipher your actual stance.
I cannot decipher your actual stance.
I can’t fathom why, when I’ve stated it multiple times in the clearest possibly English.
Don’t out anyone. No exceptions.
If you make exceptions then it’s you who is creating “rules for thee…”
nah, if you’re an elected political official with power over other peoples lives, and you’re a bigot, it’s open fuckin season, and i’d recommend outting every single last goddamned one of them
Except he wasn’t outed as a bigot. He was outed as “not a bigot”.
All Republicans are hypocritical bigots, by definition. It’s the core of their political party, it’s who they signed up to be identified with, it’s who they are, or in the case of this poor bigoted fuck, were. I don’t want to see any “but this was a nice republican” bullshit. After the Southern Strategy in 1964, all Republicans are trash, every single one.
Institutionalized racism, misogyny, homophobia, and white Christian separatism as party platform. No matter how “conservative” Republicans claimed to be, The Southern Strategy was the core value and singular driving force for the past 60 years. MAGA isn’t a symptom, it’s result.
Maybe the politicians, I could agree with that, but most Republican voters are not on board with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff.
All the majority know is that they hate Democrats, and that is why they vote the way they do. Human beings are creatures of habit after all.
Besides, even if a group of people are doing bad things en masse, it’s ultimately counterproductive to lump the followers in with the leaders. It makes it harder for the followers to break from the leaders that are leading them down the wrong path.
I am anti-republican politics, and I don’t get along with Republican voters, but I’m not going to call the guy at the gas station evil because he votes Republican because his dad voted Republican because his dad voted Republican.
“They don’t know what they’re voting for” is not a defense, frankly. If you’re truly ignorant of what a party stands for and you just can’t bring yourself to vote for their opponent, maybe don’t vote at all?
If you vote Republican then you are “on board” with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff. That’s what voting signifies, that’s the whole point of voting. It’s a binding statement to the world that you want the person or group you’re voting for to be in charge, and in the case of Republicans we know very well what them being “in charge” entails.
They aren’t evil, doesn’t stop them being ignorant, stupid, wrong, and detrimental to society. Ebola isn’t evil, but it’ll fuck up your life if you don’t kill it first.
Republican voters are cancer, they might not want to kill you, but they will.
I didn’t vote for the Nazis to kill the Jews, I just wanted my taxes lowered :(
Maybe the politicians, I could agree with that, but most Republican voters are not on board with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff.
It’s certainly a not big enough deal for them to leave.
I’m not going to call the guy at the gas station evil because he votes Republican because his dad voted Republican because his dad voted Republican.
I am.
If they’re voting to for and supporting the party that does evil stuff, it really doesn’t matter the reason they do it for.
fuck. and. you.
Out the ones that could be a part of the ones who could effect change so they can be ousted and replaced by another run-of-the-mill Republican demon. Smart. Real big-brained move.
That’s the biggest problem with religion and hypocrisy. You’re all right being against everything that doesn’t concern you personally but as soon as it does suddenly it’s a problem.
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To be fair, Baptists are some of the worst.
Guys, he not only was a Republican, he was a Baptist preacher. He aligned himself with these two LGBTQ hater groups.
Maybe he joined the GOP and the Baptist denomination in an attempt to shield his lifestyle, but he willingly belonged to these two groups which both actively HATE LGBTQ and condemn his very lifestyle.
I have a lot of sympathy for people who feel they must disguise their true selves in order to protect themselves…and I respect that he tried to reach out and offer support to others online.
But I’m hearing some very disturbing ‘rumors’ that he posted hateful, stalking, character assassination of particular people online. And accusations of child porn.
I’m going to reserve my sympathy for him for now, until the whole truth is known.
Really sad that he didn’t feel it was ok to be himself and chose to end his life.
I don’t think he killed himself because he wasn’t accepting of himself, but because he was being tormented and ridiculed and had his entire life turned upside down for who he was. Big difference.
Queer man surprised when anti-queer party he’s joined deems him a target. More non-news at 11.
I was thinking “Maybe he was more moderate or even liberal, but just knew there’s no getting elected without an ® in small town Alabama politics, and so ran as a Republican anyway.” The inverse happens in our town - we’re so blue, we occasionally get conservatives running as Democrats just to have a shot.
But then he ran for re-election in 2020 and used publicity of him and Trump together to get re-elected, which is farther than any actual moderate would go. So he’s either a massive hypocrite to the LGBT community or a massive hypocrite to the Conservative community, but either way, wasn’t super bright if he was posting all this publicly to Reddit as an elected figure. Shame he felt the need to shoot himself. Could have just moved to a blue state.
“But… I worship money, too!”
But, but, but, I didn’t think the leopards were going to eat MY FACE!!!
/shockedpikachuemoji
There’s no evidence that the guy was anti-trans, so your comment is nonsense.
I hate to be that guy because I feel for anybody that is driven to suicide. I’ve gone through two suicides in my IMMEDIATE family in my life, so I know how the fuck it affects everyone surrounding the situation permanently.
HOWEVER, when you are using the image of Donald Trump to campaign for reelection before being outed by a blog that was connected to right wing terrorists and Breitbart News then I think you can see where there are some serious fucking issues in the progression of this person’s logic and political affiliations. Knowingly participating in groups that continue to justify or carry out systemic oppression is still evil even if you yourself have not publicly taken a position justifying that oppression. Just saying…🖖
He was a Republican. He was at minimum anti-trans adjacent. And yes, there’s a lot of social pressure in small towns, and the South in general, to conform. Him being a closeted transvestite incorporates nuance into an often black and white issue. But one can only go along so much without being intentionally complicit, too.
He was a republican. Even if he himself was not anti-trans he was perfectly fine being in bed with those who were wishing death on trans (and others).
That’s the definition of LeopardsAteMyFace
Doesn’t change the fact that he was happily a member of the party more worried about removing trans rights than ending the american tradition of kids being gunned downed in schools
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Then why would that be a thing bad enough to kill himself over?!?
It’s part of the cognitive dissonance peppered throughout these comments: championing empathy, showing none.
You can have empathy for the guy while also recognizing that he definitely didn’t kill himself because liberals found out and wanted to love and accept him.
I never said I was not empathetic. I am empathetic (see my comment above). That does not mean that I cannot also appreciate the irony in the situation. I wish this person had made different choices, and could be happy with who they were. That is not what they chose to do, and it cost them their life. There is an important lesson in that, and it cheapens their lived experience by not acknowledging where it caused them to end up.
Evil people are not worthy of empathy.
Empathy is for everyone.
Leopards…leopards.
So the man who dressed in women’s clothing supported the party that hates men who dress in woman’s clothing. Hard to have much empathy.
