“We’ve almost got some of their telecommunications cracked; the front end even runs on a laptop!” The Mac that sunk a thousand ships could have been merely clunky product placement, not a bafflingly stupid tech-on-film moment.
“Senator Amidala is in a coma. Even if she recovers, she will never be the same and may not live long.” But no… George had to have his god-damned funeral scene, even if it demanded Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to save Carrie Fisher’s most emotionally resonant moment from ROTJ, as well as one of the more intriguing OT lore dumps.
Bonus points if a scene was scripted or filmed and got cut.
Probably one of the most famous examples, but the robots in The Matrix originally kept humans around as wetware CPUs using their spare brainpower. Studio execs forced the Wachowskis to change it to them using humans as batteries, even though that makes no sense. Agent Smith possessing someone in the real world in the sequels would have made a ton more sense with the original explanation.
Also instead of Neo Jesus, when he kills the squiddies outside of the matrix, that should’ve been because they were still in there but Zion and co didn’t realise there was another layer to go.
Instead we got Revolutions.
This is what I thought was going to happen at the end of 2 and was so excited I had to watch 3 right away. I was disappointed.
Disagree, the “another layer” thing would be extremely lazy writing.
Depends on how it’s done. What little EU there was for The Matrix does have it as a thing that a small percentage of redpills go crazy, thinking that Zion is just another layer of the matrix. The Oracle being another part of the system of control would also be on brand for the machines and would work well with the Architect’s bit about how if he’s the father of the matrix then she is its mother.
I kinda just assumed that was how it was meant to be interpreted and the other stuff was just crappy writing. The mention that Zion had been destroyed multiple times kinda implied it was just another matrix.
Unless… there is always another layer because different people require different illusions… and therefore there is no escape from the Matrix…
Disagree, the “another layer” thing would be extremely lazy writing.
And “Neo has actual superpowers for no reason” wasn’t?
What do you mean “no reason”? IMO it was executed and explained well.
Neo having super powers in the matrix was explained. Not how he had them in “real life”.
It was because he’s connected to the machine network and he has some limited interfacing with them. He could trigger their destroy sequence or whatever.
At least that’s what I remember, haven’t seen it for a while.
I’ve seen this posted a few times but I could never find a source. I think this is just what people want to believe!
Here’s a source: https://web.archive.org/web/20211007003509/https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/comments/q2xefs/batteries_not_processors/
Bottom line, original is batteries
I love the explanation. “Human body heat combined with a firm of fusion generates electricity.”
So they have Fusion, and yet they’re relying on body heat. Yeah, makes a lot of sense everyone knows the human body is several hundred thousand degrees.
That doesn’t really work either. Human brains are not great at computing unless you are looking for “good enough,” results, and only on some pretty narrow fields, facial/speech recognition, some physics interactions, etc. But worse than that… we’re kind of using them. If they wanted us to compute, the whole function of the Matrix is just taking up run cycles. And you can’t just coopt them during sleep, we need the rest periods ,or we literally die. Only one answer makes sense to me, it’s a nature preserve. They didn’t want to be responsible for destroying their creators, and the only other sapient species known to exist. So they build the Matrix to keep us docile. Then, the energy reclamation actually makes some sense. They’re never going to be net positive, but assuming they are having difficulty keeping their society powered, they would be incentivesed to reclaim every watt of power they could from us to reduce our burden on their grid.
Humans are great computers, we’re just not digital. Our brains are definitely analogue computers, where closer neurons or stronger synapse connections can mean higher voltage signals from one cell to another. This is a very powerful and nuanced form of computing. It’s not great for exact calculation of numbers, but it is great for interpreting data, even extremely large data sets. Human brains (many animal brains really) are also really fantastic at image processing in particular.
If it’s worthwhile to have a dedicated video card in your pc, then likewise, it would probably be worthwhile to have human brains in your evil robot hivemind. It would make some kids of processing much more efficient.
Human brains are excellent at computing certain things that are almost impossible for a regular computer. Having worked for years on computer vision I can tell you how hard it is to make computers realize simple stuff, heck, you need massive server farms just to do a basic object recognition that any 3 years old can already do. Sure, you can train a simple AI to recognize some objects, but it will never (currently) be as many objects or as precise as a person can instantly recognize.
The truth is human brains are excellent at what they evolved to do, i.e. pattern recognition. So much so that when trying to figure out data it’s usually easier to plot the data in many different ways to see if something shows up. In fact usually when you try to do cluster analysis the first machine result is, let’s say not great, but you can see that things are wrong and adjust the parameters.
As for your other point your brain does this automatically, they can just put a billboard with the thing they want analyzed and your brain (and millions of others) will give them the answer. Or they could use our dreams, even during sleep our brains are still active, and they could run any scenarios then. There are many other ideas, e.g. people playing videogames inside the matrix are actually controlling robots, or people working in forklifts are actually piloting construction robots in the real world, etc.
The original CPU idea was excellent, but computers weren’t so ubiquitous back then, and the producers thought that the audience wouldn’t understand it.
Humans solving CAPTCHA for the machines
Well, they could co-opt our brains in various ways.
That asinine stuff at an office? Maybe it’s work the computers weren’t good at.
Doing manual labor? Maybe it’s controlling some robot doing a real world analog.
Some unskippable ad that you passively thought about? Maybe it represented work being done.
Maybe it is intruding on “spare” brainpower and if the balance glitches in some weird way? Reset you with “just a dream”.
I think there’s enough room for a “wetware” computing explanation. However I could see it being more than audiences were really prepared to think through. I think your “we need the humans safely out of the way of harming us, but we don’t hate them and we’ll keep them alive and engaged in a safe way” probably would have worked well, but they wanted the AIs to be cartoonishly bad in the first movie, and that would have been “too nice”.
The best way to have it would be that there was a directive that they couldn’t kill humans. Of course you need to deal with the issue of the agents taking bodies over and then getting them killed. But the matrix never made much sense in that regard anyway since neo and co killed so many innocent people it’s ridiculous.
What was the reason for the change?
I thought this was partially coveref when neo asks for a physics book, and they tell him one doesn’t exist.
“So, we started using teleportation now.”
- Everyone in Game of Thrones from season 6 onward.
Matt Smith’s character in HOTD is actually The Eleventh Doctor, during his several hundred year run off screen. He spends much of GoT working to remember where he left the TARDIS, so that he could ferry the plot along in S6+
Did you just win the thread? I think you just won the thread.
Your comment’s weird, but not downvote level weird? Certainly not more downvotes than upvotes level weird… are people reading this comment in different ways?
Ha! How about that. I didn’t even know my dumb joke was getting downvotes. Either we’ve got some people who really prefer other responses, or we found the last bastion of late-season GoT fans on the internet.
It’s a bit Reddit-y, that’s probably why.
I wouldn’t think about it too much. People downvote for the strangest reasons. Also OP doesn’t care and didn’t even notice. Which is the best take on votes I think.
I was just pointing out an extra oddity tbh. I dont particularly care myself as well
It’s probably just a “this comment could have been an upvote” situation.
I’m digging deep in my memory here so I can’t provide any details, but there was one episode from a very early season of Grey’s Anatomy where I got to the end of the episode and thought, “wait, did they ever solve this episode’s medical mystery?” There was a lot of doctor-plot that episode and the patient plot just kinda got dropped. Well I watched the deleted scenes for that episode, and low and behold there’s a line where they explain exactly what was going on with the patient. It wasn’t the real highlight/purpose of the scene, but I’m still shocked they would cut it because it left an entire plotline (albeit just for that episode) completely dangling.
I haven’t watched any Grey’s Anatomy to speak of, but I suppose that sounds about right from what I’ve heard.
I haven’t watched the series in over a decade so I have no idea how it’s aged (or how my tastes have changed as I’ve aged) but I remember the early seasons being quite good. Gray’s Anatomy was really popular the first few years that it aired, and at least at the time I thought it was deservedly so. I think I dropped the show around season six? It was getting too soapy/ridiculous and the plot was starting to go in circles. They ratchet up the tension really high pretty early on (both on the medical drama and doctor-relationship drama sides) so the writers inevitably set themselves up for failure, because this isn’t a shonen power fantasy, you can’t just keep driving things up to higher and higher stakes and still remain within the confines of reality.
For instance, in a very early season there’s a really bad train crash where a bunch of patients flood into the hospital and I remember it being a huge climatic thing with some fantastic episodes. Then in a later season they have a bad ferry crash plotline that falls flat because they already did the train crash, and the emotional impact of this huge public transportation disaster was significantly diminished by a sense of “didn’t we go through this already?”
I cannot believe that the show is still going, mostly because I’m amazed they have any audience left.
Yeah, my wife wanted to watch it together and we got burned out on the repeated catastrophes. At some point they move onto dramatic plot disasters that include a bunch of the hospital staff, to make it more exciting. The show went on for a ton of seasons after we dropped it, so presumably they found some way to make it even more dramatic than a disaster that kills a 3rd of the hospital every season finale.
Watching the show on netflix was also bad for emotional whiplash. They would build all season up to two doctors confessing their love in the season finale, and then immediately in the next episode (new season) they would be broken up again. I suspect it felt more natural with the delay between seasons in-between episodes, but watching them back to back like that felt jarring.
I cannot believe that the show is still going, mostly because I’m amazed they have any audience left.
Looks like it has eroded significantly over time, but I guess with a sticky core audience and a shrinking expectations for network TV, it’s got its niche.
While I haven’t seen it personally from what I can recall. There apparently exists an episode of Midsomer Murders where the motiv of the killings got cut before airing.
Fun to hear Gray’s also managed to do that blunder. Wonder if any other similar shows have do the same. Feels kinda easy to accidentally do in that type of shows, if you do a very character focused episode.
There’s an episode in House where they do that. But it turns out that it’s all just Houses imagination anyway, and so that makes sense because really everything is about him. So it makes sense that nobody cures the patient if he isn’t there.
The Martian when the main airlock blows up.
He ends up taping a plastic sheet over the hole with what I assume is super strong space tape and plastic and then continues to live in the station for 550 more days.
We spend the first half of the movie learning how unforgiving the environment is, and how delicate his ecosystem for life is, but you can also blow half the place up and just tape some plastic over the hole.
They did a much better job of explaining it in the book, but the movie literally went “just tape that bitch up with plastic, then we’ll throw a wind storm at it to prove it’s good forever”
Another big plot hole in the Martian, also present in the book, is that messages are encoded in hexadecimal. But then why did he have a separate question mark card, when all punctuation can be encoded in ASCII/hex? Also
both him andNASA wrote in all caps. Again they have a full ascii set. Makes no sense.The question card is where he writes. He calls it that because that’s where he writes questions.
They also don’t encode spaces when they talk to him I always assume that was to save time. They only have about 8 hours a day and they can only send one message every 30 minutes or so. If they take too long to send a message they’ll cut into the next message and they need to give him time to go back inside.
Ah so it’s a position where they can read his messages. They does make more sense. However all caps still doesn’t. The messages should have used caps to delineate abbreviated words. Like their first message “HOW ALIVE?” Could have been HwAliv? Which of course could be interpreted as “how are you even alive?” Or “how alive are you?”
The other thing of course is that he just wrote it in all caps because they are simple straight lines. In the book it’s explained that the only way he can keep track of what they’re writing is to draw it in the dirt with a metal rod. Because all the ink in the pens boils off if he takes them out into Mars’s atmosphere and the laptops also break because the liquid in the LCD boils off.
That is also why they need to give him time to go back inside to write the next question. He can’t use the pens outside.
Well then the movie makers screwed up when they showed the hexadecimal ASCII lookups, because it’s all upper case.
I found this post hilarious.
At least they threw the wind storm at it, LOL.
The only explanation for the wind storm and the tape is that the atmosphere had already been teraformed to be much much thicker, to the point that its at a survivable pressure for breathing, the only problem is lack of oxygen and too cold.
Isn’t there something like the gravity on Mars is so low that even though there are massive dust storms with fast winds, they feel like a gentle breeze, and would never be able to topple a solid object, let alone a space ship.
Yeah, but it’s air pressure, not gravity.
Yeah the author addressed that. He said he needed a way for the main character to be isolated and presumed dead for the story to work and really couldn’t come up with anything so he had to kind of abandon reality for a bit.
There was actually a community back on Reddit dedicated to fixing that bit of the story.
They did a much better job of explaining it in the book
How did the book handle it?
So, in the book:
When he’s making water out of hydrazine from the MDV, he gets the process a little wrong and accidentally causes an explosion. This slightly stresses the canvas around one of the three airlocks. He prefers to use that airlock to the other two because it’s the closest to the rover chargers, so he uses that one the most. Every time he cycles the airlock, it slightly expands and contracts, repeatedly stressing the canvas until it fails.
The resulting explosion hurls the airlock over 100 meters from the HAB, cracks the airlock and in the resulting tumble he bashes in his EVA suit’s helmet. So he fixes the crack with duct tape, cuts his space suit’s arm off, uses the resin from a patch kit to glue the arm material over the broken helmet (in the movie the helmet is kind of cracked and he tapes over it) so he has to go into the wrecked HAB, get one of the other space suits, change in one of the rovers, then fix the HAB.
It is established that the mission was designed to survive a HAB breach, and was supplied with spare canvas and adhesive resin to make repairs, which he did. He had to reduce the height of the ceiling in that section of the HAB to make it fit, and from then on he alternated use of the other two airlocks.
The book kicked a lot more of the shit out of Watney. The movie doesn’t even mention killing Pathfinder, the dust storm enroute to the MAV or rolling the rover over.
That’s a great write-up response, thanks!
Space age hyper-tough epoxy.
IIRC, the same canvas material the rest of the habitation was made out of.
I believe that is correct.
In the book, they also took pains to point out the steps he took to try to avoid it happening to the other airlocks after that point too - by actually balancing out their usage a bit more, instead of just always using the same one.
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It’s a delusion that including that link on your posts carries additional power of copyright on the content of the post under the terms of the linked license and will somehow stop any commercial entity from harvesting that data.
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Strong aging Facebook user vibes from that kind of tag on all their posts.
Dear astroturfers, are we going to do this each and every day?
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Most Lemmy instances don’t have any sort of licensing grant in their terms of service. So that means that the original author maintains all ownership of their work.
So technically what these people are doing is granting a license to their comment that allows it to be used for more than would otherwise be allowed by the default copyright protections.
This is accurate under American copyright law. Usually the reason you don’t maintain copyright on internet posts is because the site you’re posting on reserves the copyright for itself. Not on most Lemmy instances, though.
Those old Facebook posts with similar language were stupid. Users already gave away the license to Facebook. Cannot give away what you do not have.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/10800658
I guess you’re going to create one of those special licenses of yours for ProPublica as well. You better let them know that that license doesn’t do anything for them either. /s
People calling you out for being wrong isn’t astroturfing. It’s not an anti-AI licence and by definition does not restrict use (including AI-related) more than standard automatic copyright.
People calling you out for being wrong isn’t astroturfing.
There’s been plenty of astroturfing going on in the last week. Not all comments are, but some are, and they have been repeating daily (can almost set a watch to it). In fact, they’ve been kind of sloppy and over the top in some cases. Didn’t think a Creative Commons license would trigger some astroturfer so badly, but apparently they really fear people using a license with their content/comments.
And as far as calling me out, constantly doing so over and over again, repeating the same points endlessly, is not something that is just ‘calling me out for being wrong’, that’s harassment/bullying. I’ve heard/talked to the people who disagree with me, so there’s no reason for them to repeat themselves to me endlessly and following me around from community to community, on a daily basis. Especially when by them following me they derail conversations in posts I’ve commented on (unless you want to explain to me how using a Creative Commons license is related to “What plot holes could be adequately explained away with a single shot or line of dialogue?”).
The place to discuss this issue is here: https://lemmy.world/post/14942506
It’s not an anti-AI licence and by definition does not restrict use (including AI-related) more than standard automatic copyright.
It talks about non vs commercial usage right in the license, so you are incorrect (and I’m betting not a lawyer also). Also, I got that name from someone else who also uses the license, so at least one other person agrees with me. Finally, it has restrictions in it that are not mentioned in the standard automatic copyright.
Besides all that, WTF is it to you? What business of this is yours? Are you some kind of ‘commercial’ police making sure commercialism is not slandered or something? Its a weird thing to get hung up on, let alone try to abolish/remove.
It’s like watching sovereign citizens write Void Without Prejudice on parking tickets and think it has any kind of validity. The law does not work on magic words it works on contracts.
“Eagles can’t fly us to Mt. Doom because of a magic curse or some shit”- Gandalf to the council in Lord of the Rings
I think that one’s pretty well explained (albeit not explicitly) by the presence of the Nazgul and the eye of Sauron, which were either destroyed or otherwise occupied when the eagles made their rescue. People pretend Mordor had no airborne defenses for the bit, but it doesn’t really make sense
Mordor probably had some javelins too.
The Eye was proven to not be all-seeing or all-knowing. Same with the Ring Wraiths. And Orcs were shown numerous times to be inept guards.
So have an eagle fly Frodo to Mt. Doom on a night with a new moon, above the clouds. There is no way they would be spotted. A curse, while stupid, is the only explanation that really puts this plot hole to rest IMO.
Doesn’t have to be all seeing to spot a fucking eagle lol. This is akin to “Gandalf should’ve teleported the ring to Mordor, it never explicitly said he couldn’t”
I saw something maybe yesterday that was like, Samwise could carry frodo without being affected by the ring, so why didn’t they just tape the ring to a small animal and put it in a bag, and carry the bag to Mordor?
I’ll tell you that council didn’t think very hard before concluding “one of us must physically carry it all the way there.”
That only applies to the movie, and anyway it’s easily explained by the The Ring not wanting to switch to Sam in that moment. In the book Sam totally puts on the ring to trick some orcs and it tries to tempt him with the power of gardening really well.
The Ring would reach out and influence people around the bag. The Ring would tempt whichever eagle carried Frodo. It had to be a being that had enough control to keep hold of The Ring but not enough ambition to be controlled by it. And even then IIRC it wasn’t actually possible to destroy it willingly, Eru Ilúvatar stepped in and gave Gollum a tiny nudge off the cliff.
That tactic might actually work on me. Imagine being that good at gardening, it would be amazing.
The best explanation would be the actual one - they don’t give a shit about Middle-Earth.
This is exactly right. They were just busy with important eagle business.
In the books it’s explained that the eagles were involved in a war of their own during the first two books and couldn’t send help without risking their own destruction. There’s actually a part in the books where frodo is like “why didn’t the eagles just fly us” lol.
Christopher Reeve Superman. How come he’s fast enough to go back in time, but not fast enough to save Lois in the first place?
Scene needed is Jor-El explaining that Clark is as strong as he believes himself to be. He can literally focus the entire power of the Sun if he’s strong enough.
Do you think he was flying around the earth for kicks? No, he was using a gravitational slingshot to build speed. Granted, they could have explained it better, so I guess a line like “we need to use the turn of the world to speed up our satilites, and we still can’t match his velocity. Imagine how fast he’d be.” But less clunky, of course.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist
That’s not how gravity assist works. You need relative differences in speed.
Someone once explained it that watching the earth spin backward was not him flying so fast that he literally dragged the Earth in reverse but rather that the Earth spinning backward was a byproduct of our third party view watching time go in reverse because Superman was traveling back in time.
But he would have to literally be stronger than the sun to do that because the only way you can travel backwards in time is to travel faster than the speed of light.
But it’s movie magic so what can you say?
Honestly my head canon is that just like how humans on a hell of an adrenaline rush can do superhuman feats like lift a car for someone trapped under it, superman has basically the equivalent, breaking his known limitations through sheer force of adrenaline.
Kind of like how in one of the early seasons of the CW Flash series, Barry accidentally travels back in time while pushing himself to stop a tidal wave from destroying Central City.
I like that idea.
In a similar vein, Supes could be much weaker if he were asleep or distracted. In the current iteration, if Clark Kent gets hit in the head by a ninja the weapon breaks; in the new one, he can be knocked out if he isn’t pumped up. Sort of like how Houdini was killed when he told a fan they could hit him as hard as they wanted; he meant after he’d had a moment to prepare.
Kind of like how in one of the early seasons of the CW Flash series, Barry accidentally travels back in time while pushing himself to stop a tidal wave from destroying Central City.
That one really annoyed me because like the next episode they were saying he needed to go mach 3 which was faster than ever! And I was like… Is time travel less than mach 3? I’m pretty sure have jets that can go Mach 3…
Yeaaah CW Flash was really inconsistent with its power curves and growth.
Pirates of the Caribbean it was pointed out Bootstap was strapped to a cannon and dropped into the sea but the logical conclusion that by lifting the curse Will had to kill his own father was never a plot point. not exactly a plot hole just a missed opportunity.
By that point he had joined the Flying Dutchman’s crew and thus did not die when the curse was lifted. But Will didn’t know this, so your point stands.
“Oh man, look how far down the track the T-Rex pushed our car!”
How did Inigo know the Man in Black was in love with Buttercup? It’s an easy one to fix, because there are several points where Grandpa skips parts of the story, but it could have been a single throwaway line.
This is only a plot hole because you forgot part of the movie.
Inigo’s quest is to kill the six fingered man. He saves the man in black only to get his help towards this goal. ~~But, there is exactly the kind of explanation line in the movie by Fezzik, who has not been in a drunken stupor for a month and has in fact gotten a job working closely with the castle’s security forces, explaining his insight on the topic. Fezzik has this line, interrupting Inigo talking about how he needs the skills of the Man in Black to execute his revenge:
“the rumors are that he was the Princess’ true love”. ~~
That bit was in the book and the script, but the line as filmed in the movie was paraphrased by Inigo and not uttered by Fezzik. Doesn’t really matter to the plot anyway though because Inigo sought the man in black to help plot his revenge because the man in black had defeated Vizzini. A confusing line because we were never explicitly shown how Inigo learned about the man in black’s true love of Buttercup, but not exactly a plot hole.
Excuse you, friend, I didn’t forget shit. The line is in the script, and the conversation is in the book, but it didn’t make it into the movie. Many of Andre’s lines were cut or voiceover because he had trouble being understood. It’s actually a good example of this, because it clearly was an important line to the plot that was cut because it didn’t seem important.
The line does appear in the film, though on review it does appear that Inigo takes the line from Frezik. Probably that was because Andre the giant didn’t actually speak English very well. Forgive my confusion, since I’d more recently read the book than watched the movie and the scene in question is only changed slightly. So in point of fact, it was still a throwaway line and it was still in the movie.
Never the less, Inigo was seeking the Man in Black to aid his own revenge, not because of Wesley’s true love for Buttercup, so where and when he learned of the man in black’s love for Buttercup is mostly irrelevant to the plot. Moreover, Wesley declares “True Love” to Max before Inigo says anything about love to Max.
This is all especially amusing, since we are debating a single line in a movie, based on a book, that is itself a self declared abridged version of another book.
You’re definitely confused, and it’s definitely a plot hole created by cutting out Andre’s line. Fezzik dunks Inigo’s head in the barrels of water, and then Inigo says he needs Vizzini to plan an attack on the six fingered man. “But Vizzini is dead” says Fezzik. And Inigo decides that the Man in Black must have bested Vizzini in smarts, and so he could help them plan revenge. End scene.
Later we see the Man in Black being tortured, and Humperdinck turns the machine all the way up to 11, and the whole kingdom hears him scream. We see Buttercup hears it, and then Inigo and Fezzik walking through a crowd. Inigo recognizes it as the sound his heart made when Rugen killed his father. He deduces that it must be the Man in Black because his true love marries another tonight. Fezzik appears to be surprised by all of this.
There are plenty of ways a throwaway line could hae filled the gap, and it was in th script and in the book. But in the movie, it’s a plot hole.
Also fun fact, there is no “unabridged version” of the book, and S Morgenstern doesn’t exist. That was part of the conceit for the book. All the stuff about looking for the original and finding it too boring to reprint, that’s part of the story. All of the details in the book about Goldman himself are also fictional. Goldman also references additional chapters and a sequel that his publisher has, but cannot publish due to legal complications with the Morgenstern estate.
I love everything about the movie, the book, the author, and the cast.
Yes, that’s basically what I said. I know there is no unabridged version of the book, because I’m not a dunce. That was the joke, but you’re so worried about being right and getting the last word you missed it.
I’ve seen the movie damn near a thousand times. I’ve read the book (didn’t I already make this clear). We’re both fans.
It’s not a plot hole. It’s a single stepped on line that does not matter to the plot and major motivations of the characters.
It’s not a stepped on line. The line isn’t in the movie. Watch it again.
I did a rewatch after your first comment. The line is there. Inigo says it, when Fezzik should have. But, you were right in that it doesn’t make sense for Inigo to say it because we were never shown when he learned of Wesley’s love of Buttercup. But Inigo wasn’t looking for the Man in Black to assist true love, he just wanted whomever bested Vizzini to help in his revenge plot.
“The red fabric attracts phaser fire and other dangers”
Okay, yes, well, good, but why the fuck would Starfleet make their uniforms out of danger enhancing materials? That is like some 4D chess fucking eugenics program going on here.
To keep the important people from getting shot. Same reason batman makes robin wear a flashy costume.
Anyone stupid enough to wear the uniform deserves to get shot. They obviously fixed the problem by TNG so command were able to flex a little bit.
In Frozen 2, the elemental spirits have trapped a kingdom in a magical barrier for many years as punishment for building a dam to stop a river. The day is “saved” by an earth spirit incidentally destroying the dam and freeing the river. There was this whole thing about the spirits calling out to Elsa to come and save them, but apparently the spirits had the ability the whole time to break the dam. The whole plot was basically pointless. Maybe instead they needed Elsa to break the dam, or needed to combine their powers.
Not going to pretend that Frozen 2 is my favorite movie, but having seen it dozens of times with my kids…
The dam wasn’t the problem. It was a symbol of the problem, which was the rift between the 2 peoples living in such close proximity. Nature is indifferent, people are not. Nature doesn’t care if there’s a dam, it just becomes a different habitat. People should have cared about impacting each other’s way of life.
Nature removed the dam, and the barrier to the people coming together, when the responsible parties decided to right their wrongs and consider each other, regardless of the high cost. Even if that’s not the case, the story remains that nature’s power has to be harnessed to a purpose by people. But I think they were going for the former.
Anyway, not a great movie, but also not a plot hole.
I don’t think the spirits are trapped in that scenario though are they? I mean they’re not trying to escape. It’s more like a restitution thing. Like they want you to come clean up the mess.
even if it demanded Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to save Carrie Fisher’s most emotionally resonant moment from ROTJ
I don’t think it’s “gymnastics” to imagine that an orphan toddler might end up with some false memories of what she imagines her mother was like.
What I’d rather have had as a tiny change to “improve” the situation would be to confirm that Palpatine used some kind of Dark Side alchemy to drain Padme’s life to keep Vader alive, I really like that notion. Wouldn’t need to be with dialogue, even, just have some kind of scene showing Palpatine meditating and channeling something.
And also, I personally think that vaders redemption at the end of episode 6 was false.
Vader killed billions of people. He destroyed an entire planet for the lulz.
And he was a whiny little shit his entire life before becoming Vader.
One tiny little moment of redemption is not enough to undo all the shit he did.
It is my opinion that the force ghosts shown at the end of episode 6 are being created by Luke Skywalker to assuage his own mental trauma of the series of events that had let him to that point.
He did that so he can tell himself that he is a hero, that he is not a failed Jedi, that all of the pain and suffering he had been through was worth it.
The only reason why Leia could sort of see them was because she was tuned into his force power
That “little moment of redemption” was him fulfilling his destiny and bringing balance to the Force. He doesn’t become a Force ghost because he’s been like, forgiven of his sins or something. He becomes a Force ghost because he dies at peace in the Force.
You can have your headcanon about the Force ghosts and Luke being insane if you’d like, I’m not trying to like, fight you on it or anything. But it sort of misses the point, in my opinion.
For whatever reason, people love headcanons that rely on the main protagonist hallucinating and us the audience being dragged down into insanity with them. There is a fan theory out there that Cameron in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is a figment of Ferris’ imagination. It’s really bonkers stuff but people love this style of fan theory for some reason.
And he was a whiny little shit his entire life before becoming Vader.
Nah, he was cool as fuck as a pod racing eight year old or whatever.
He was a particularly angsty* teen, I’ll give you that, but he was also kinda being constantly left in the dark by his weird religious magi cult who wanted him to be their chosen one, so like, I can understand why his rebellious streak would be so big.
I do ultimately agree though, no amount of “redemption” can bring someone back from nuking an entire fucking planet.
Then back to the Future part 2, Marty McFly should have arrived in the future where he disappeared 30 years ago and his children were never born.
Even if he did arrive history should have begun reverting itself, as his disappearance from the past should have altered the present until he returns.
As long as he experienced no ghosting effects, that would have meant that he was functionally immortal until he returned back to the present.
That entire scenario could have been avoided if doc Brown had said we’ve got a few hours until the universe begins to rectify the fact that you are not in the past with the temporal causality of the present future
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“We’ve almost got some of their telecommunications cracked; the front end even runs on a laptop!” The Mac that sunk a thousand ships could have been merely clunky product placement, not a bafflingly stupid tech-on-film moment.
It was explained in a deleted scene. In Independence Day, our computers are based on reverse engineering their crashed ship. That and why would a hivemind alien race ever even need cyber security? Up to that point, they probably never encountered a scenario where a planet they were harvesting had an intelligent race on it, said intelligent race recovered a crashed ship of theirs, and said race was advanced enough reverse engineer it.
Same with Jurassic park 3 and the T-Rex that somehow managed to kill everyone while at the same time being still confined in the cargo bay.
The original script made perfect sense and then for some baffling reason they deleted important scenes for the theatrical release. In the original script the raptors were also in there, they got out through the small hole the T-Rex made, and then they killed everyone and jumped into the sea and swim to shore. Then for some totally bonkers reason they edited it and decided that the raptors had already been transported earlier and had nothing to do with this bit.
Which would have been fine but then they should have reshot the entire boat sequence. The problem is then they would have needed the T-Rex to have escaped. Not really sure why they didn’t do that as it didn’t really change the plot all that much and at least then it would have made sense.
I think the problem was that they decided late on in production that they didn’t actually want to deal with the CGI of having the raptor swim in water since water is hard to do. But again they should have reshot it.
I might humbly suggest that whatever pacing issues the scene introduced would have been worth it in this case.
Roland Emmerich is a very dumb man with a very low opinion of his audience.
“We’ve almost got some of their telecommunications cracked; the front end even runs on a laptop!” The Mac that sunk a thousand ships could have been merely clunky product placement, not a bafflingly stupid tech-on-film moment.
Wasn’t the in-movie explanation for that that all modern tech was secretly based on reverse engineered alien tech?
Where did it say that in the movie? Otherwise that would have been another great one liner for this thread.
It was explained in a deleted scene: https://www.cracked.com/article_18720_7-famous-movie-flaws-that-were-explained-in-deleted-scenes.html
