The rule is buy the default-gendered variant. If there a special “men’s section” or “women’s section” for a certain product category it means you’ll be ripped off.
Men’s socks are higher durability
It’s a lot more than socks. Went looking for a duffel coat once for work and checked both isles in stores. Mens coat - nice woven and well fulled 100 percent wool, thick quality stuff, Women’s isle, cheaper felted wool half the thickness… Same price, same basic style, same store.
Ever since whenever I go looking for stuff I check both isles. Higher quality fabrics are generally reserved for men’s items though women’s stuff is priced the same. You’d never know the difference if you only shopped one gendered option.
Off-topic comment.
I appreciate the misuse of isle instead of aisle. The mental imagery of navigating around stores compromised of isles makes me want to go shopping so I can go on an island hopping adventure looking for booty to haul back to my kingdom.
Apart from fashionistas, “standard” men’s style is far more static. Cuts, materials, colors, and patterns don’t deviate far from the baseline from year to year, so garments tend to be a bit sturdier and longer lasting.
As an example, picture a guy in a Henley, cargo shorts, and work boots. What decade is he from? Okay, now put him in straight leg jeans and a flannel shirt. Was this picture taken yesterday? In the 90s? 2005? Who knows, guys have been wearing that for ages, and will be for ages to come.
However, pre-pandemic I think high-waist flares were one of the main jeans trends for women. Five years later, it’s low-waist straight-leg, right? Or have they shifted back to skinny jeans? I think early-2010s was the last time capris were the statement look, but hell, I truly don’t know. The point is, women’s styles seem to change not only year-to-year but season-to-season. Today’s trend is tomorrow’s faux pas is next week’s retro is next month’s vintage… sure, I’m exaggerating, but women’s fashion does lend itself more to sweeping change.
The criminal part is that woman-specific options are underconstructed and overpriced compared to men’s clothing. That, and the lack of pockets. Seriously, my heart goes out to anyone who wears clothing targeted to women. I’d be fucking lost without pockets.
The criminal part is that woman-specific options are underconstructed and overpriced compared to men’s clothing. That, and the lack of pockets. Seriously, my heart goes out to anyone who wears clothing targeted to women. I’d be fucking lost without pockets.
Trans girl who sews her own clothing here: I’ve honestly stopped bothering to add pockets to my clothes, because my handbag has REALLY grown on me and takes care of most of the need. Seeing all the guys doing pocket-checks, when I just grep my handbag and have everything in it is almost getting funny at this point. 😊
That said: Fuck the fashion industry, for so many reasons, including for what they did to fashion! Like: Even if we ignored all the human-rights abuses, the trash quality that they produce, the needlessly bad impact on the environment and all of these things, and we really shouldn’t(!!), I just assume most people here have already heard about those, that industry still has no fucking idea of what personal style is and how to support it. It’s a bunch of business-assholes that decide that some thing X is “in” and then you get only that, with the difference between X and the previous X being minute details in the cut, but it still remains the same concept of short, narrow skirt for example.
You are looking for a ankle-length circle-skirt (=flat lying skirt, very wide)? Tough luck, sew it yourself, nobody offers that! You want a long dress with long sleeves? Yeah, that doesn’t exist! (Unless you sew it yourself, like I have, which gave me the most comfortable piece of nightwear I’ve ever owned that I’m even somewhat comfortable to wear in public if I add a visual seperation with some form of belt.) I could go on…
In short: The fashion industry has sold people on the insane idea that jeans with a slightly different cut are a different clothing-style. They are not!
I suppose that assumes a woman cares about fashion and that fast fashion is something every woman wants to buy into. A lot of women I know shop vintage because they want items they can wear reliably for years and modern items do not offer that level of quality. If you want to buy out of the fast fashion assumption of “need” it seems like you have to literally go back in time because if you buy fast fashion it is literally trash in a year. Nobody will thrift it worn because it will be worn out. It doesn’t seem like brands have options for women that lie outside of this system in addition to those junky options or offer those junk items at a lower cost. If all you can buy new is junk then stepping outside of the system requires you to avoid the ease of simply buying new off the rack. It requires work and luck. If you grew up inside that system that’s your established normal.
We can say that mens fashion is static… But why can’t both gendered fashion silos have more static options or at least price fast fashion at a different price point to reflect those cheaper materials? It seems like saying one sex has inherent requirements for fubgibillity which seems honestly kinda sexist. There’s a lot of men who want more interesting fad like stuff and women who want staples that will last a decade.
Oh, I full-on agree, hence that final paragraph. I’m one of those idgaf-about-fads types, but I know plenty of folks who do care and who get hosed by the system as it currently exists. Fashion as a whole is pretty much a racket as far as I’m concerned. But what isn’t these days?
The reason they won’t price fast fashion bs lower is because they don’t have to. Trendy things sell at inherently predatory price points, then they declare a new “what’s hot” before the sales drop off. Capitalism is a mfer, and folks are exploited at every rung of the fashion ladder.
I guess that would change if enough people stopped buying in, but do either of us see that happening any time soon? I don’t, and as frustrating as it is, I think you don’t, either. So garments marketed primarily to women remain pocketless and flimsy, and those marketed primarily to my-tastes-don’t-change men continue to trend towards work-wearish looks that are at least marginally sturdier at roughly equivalent cost.
Except for those goddamn fishing shirts. Who decided that was a thing? They’re terrible.
From my experience all of mens clothes have higher durability. I could just be buying shitty clothes, but ill have ripped stitches and fallen buttons a week after purchase while my husband is still sporting the same 15 year old wardrobe with minimal damage. My shirts are so thin i can see clear through them and would need to layer 3 to match my husband’s shirts. I dont purchase them off amazon/temu/etc, but it feels like that’s where they came from most of time.
Me frequently accidentally buying women’s t-shirts cause I like those designs better.
I hope you still rock em
As long as you buy the right size it shouldn’t be an issue, most clothing in standardized sizes aren’t much different between the genders besides the number being different (a men’s size S will be a women’s size M) so as long as you get the size right it’ll be fine.
Edit: Size comparison flipped the wrong way, fixed it.
I think you might have flipped your size comparison, but the concept holds.
Yeah I just realized my mistake of getting them backwards, I just fixed it. Glad I was still able to make the point even though I made an embarrassing mistake 😅
Jokes on you, the buttons will be on the wrong side! Ahahahahaha
Edit: yes I know t-shirts don’t have buttons. Bad attempt at humour. Not deleting because I stand behind my mistakes.
I have a nice Pikachu hoodie which said it’s for women on the site I ordered it from but I didn’t care because it’s cute and I liked it. The only thing that’s mildly annoying is having to think about the sizing difference (which I guess is kind of the point of the separate sizing numbers, just to be that extra bit of annoying for people who want it anyway).
Products for women also smells better
Says you. I, personally, really enjoy the smell of teak.
All my men’s products have completely artificial smells like “Cool Rush”.
One of these is real: “Jungle Road”, “Arctic Blast”, “Alpine Machete”, “Lost at Sea”, “Mayday Mayday”, “Why is nobody reading these and calling for help”
My vote goes to Arctic Blast
I think I have that last one as a body wash.
It depends, I find that many of the Men’s products can smell more “normal” and less rich.
But then there’s old spice – which I use daily but I don’t think is as pleasant as women’s deodorant scents (but generally work better in antiperspirant imo so it’s not worth thinking too much about.)
Next time you have the opportunity give Old Spice’s Wolfthorn scent a try and tell me it’s not just orange Starburst.
I hate overly perfumed stuff so I avoid those.
Me buying women’s vitamins because they’re the only ones with iron at the local dollar store.
I do this. You’d be shocked at the number of womens supplements that don’t have iron either.
There’s actually a really good reason for that. The body doesn’t have a good way to get rid of excess iron except by bleeding, so it’s fairly easy for someone without a period to get iron poisoning from vitamins with iron in them. Women’s vitamins assume the person taking them loses a significant quantity of blood every month. Not only should men not take them, women whose birth control eliminates their period completely shouldn’t take them either.
This isnt entirely related, but your comment made me think about the time I went into CVS to buy multivitamins and noticed all of the “men’s” included a picture of an orange while the “women’s” did not. All the other fruit pictured were the same between the two, but not oranges.
Yarr, that be because lads be worryin’ more about scurvy than lasses, matey!
Earlier this year a doctor advised us (male and female) to take prenatal vitamins, and yesterday a nutritionist told us the same. They really just have everything anybody needs, apparently.
I did that with buying “one-a-day” vitamins for seniors because they were a quarter the price of standard men’s vitamins. I checked the stats and ingredients, they were about identical and from the same brand.
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They absolutely break down and lose potency, depending on storage conditions.
And by higher quality they mean jammed full of things that don’t actually enhance the product but just act as fillers to make it seem fancy
And the nature of which has to change every 3 months so that a new and improved version can come out.
still smell better than anything men’s deoderants put out.
Want to have a musk like a spiced up skunk in a damp forest? Then right this way, gents!
Me at the grocery store yesterday: “These cookies look delicious! And they’re 90% off!”
Wife: “Those are lactation cookies…”
Me: “I didn’t know that was a thing… They still look good though…”
Lactation cookies ??? What is that ???
Cookies that came from tits ???Food that contains nutrition, galactagogues, and folk-remedy ingredients to help with (human) milk production. Arguably, they’re just food.
Oh that term is such wasted potential! I thought it was going to be about radical public breastfeeding as a form of protest!
why did they have to take that name for a milk boosting plant and not the name of an elete squad of cyber astronauts or something :/
Because the word for galaxy comes from milk haha
Yeah “milky way galaxy” is a redundant phrase.
I call bullshit on this kind of product! This just reminds me too much of the phytoestrogens that ruthless scammers sell on places like Amazon to trick uninformed trans girls into giving them money and believing they receive some medication, when it does nothing whatsoever for them.
The only “phytoestrogens” that actually do something are “phytoestrogens” sold by trusted homebrewers that are labeled that way to avoid seizure at the border.
In order to achieve medical effects, you need proper medication, in this case probably Prolactin. (I’d have to check to make sure, but there are plenty of reports of trans women who succesfully induced lactation medically to feed their kids and had no problem whatsoever after that point.)
I thought it’d be a synagogue for Galactus.
Ohh…i see
Sad thing it’s not cookies that came from tits (or breast milk)
But at least with that miracle cookies i can make the real lactation cookies
Just your daily reminder that “Goodenough” is a real last name
It’s naturally meant for someone who is breastfeeding and contains nutrients which would be helpful in that process, though ultimately they are just food, for someone who isn’t breastfeeding the extra ingredients don’t have any effect (it’s not like they’ll cause lactation in males if that’s what you’re wondering).
But did they taste good?
So many companies are dumb and only advertise to women on products that can be used for everyone.
They’re not dumb, marketing towards woman is just more effective
Just saying as a guy in my 20s I never thought I could use all those products till I got married. Never thought of it
I judge my body wash on the basis of if it can clean my antiperspirant off by the end of the day. (Shower at night before bed). Many men’s body wash require you to do a lot to get it to clean… Tried a seasonal pomegranate something one aimed at women one time and it smelled great and I hardly had to do anything more than just apply it. Win win. Then I never found it again. Dove products are cheap usually near me, some are terrible, some are amazing. I’m sure if I was smarter I’d read the ingredients and figure out what works best and verify it was in the new product, but maybe I’ll leave that for next year.
Just use regular non-antiperspirant deodorant. Anti-perspirant is bad for you and for your skin. It just forces your body to try even harder to sweat through it on top of the questionable chemistry. If you have a particular issue with the stank, just keep some with you or keep it at work to re-up. Not only will your armpits thank you, but so will your shirts. You can do that or keep using harsh chemicals for your armpits, harsh chemicals to get their residue off, and go through clothing like it’s toilet paper—or give your body the chance it hasn’t had since puberty to maybe cool off a bit. Give it a whirl.
Yeah nah, i think I’ll stick to my antiperspirants. Having to spray periodically seems inconvenient
I don’t know what anti perspirants you’ve been using, but Rituals ones don’t stain or leave residue on any of my clothes.
I just assume that if it cleans off harder to remove substances like antiperspirant, it also would remove the oils and what not easier that get on me elsewhere. Grease, whatever. Need to remove oils from ivy, id rather it comes off easy and not have to find out a missed a spot. Convenience is a lazy man’s paradise.
Mens boots, cargo shorts, overalls, and hats are a god damn vibe. Just the sheer fucking quality.
WHY CANT I HAVE THE LUXURY OF AQUIRING GOOD CARGO SHORTS!! WHYYYY
My boots’ gender is work. I’m the lady in steel toe work boots regardless of where I am because it’s both an aesthetic and because they’re broken in
As a man I wish I had more options. the JCP Pennys near has like two and a half floors of womens clothes and small mens section that takes up the last half.
I’m a woman who buys my tshirts in the men’s section because all women’s shirts have become crop tops, or are too low cut to wear to work, or too tight fitting to be comfortable. It looks like we have a lot of options, but I think it’s more like we have a lot of non utilitarian options. Like a bunch of clothes you can’t do anything in. Like go hiking, or bend over to pick up something you dropped without exposing yourself.
I can get a men’s tshirt at target that fits exactly how I want it to(not too short, my boobs aren’t hanging out, not too baggy either) for about $8-$10. A women’s ‘tshirt’ will cost $15 plus and have all the issues I mentioned before.
But then again I guess the grass is always greener right?
Womens clothes so often suck in terms of quality compared to men’s. My partner is nb, but fits women’s clothes best… They can’t find suits of anything like the kind of quality you can for men’s. Certainly not in more than a couple of styles.
If I buy a shirt and it disintegrates in a year I’ll never buy from that company again.
Me and my 2 Litre, $3 “Jug-O-Body-Wash” feel called out.
Shampoo, body wash, laundry detergent, engine degreaser, drain cleaner, ant poison and steak sauce.
Fun fact:
The same ingredient is cheaper in monostat (for womens bits) than it is in tenactin/etc (for men’s feeet/bits)
They’re different, Monistat is miconazole and Tinactin is tolnaftate. Plus, tolnaftate should never be used vaginally, just as an aside.
Miconozole is also used for athletes foot and jock itch. (Maybe its not tinactin I’m thinking of, but, it’s cheaper to get the monostat vs the men’s athletes foot/jock itch stuff)
Micatin.
Me with just a bar of soap for my whole body.
Or: “Men buying women’s hygiene products, because they exist.”
It’s really hard for me to find some stuff at all.
At wal mart: “blue Equate brand men’s loofah $2” “blue Equate brand women’s loofah $1”
That’s not how this is supposed to work.
Switched from using Old Spice Body Wash (RIP Krakengard) to Dove beauty bars and showers have become infinitely more pleasant. It feels good to apply, it smells like oatmeal and rice milk, and it always gets the stank off my nuts and ass the first time, unlike body wash.
There’s no need for any of that. There’s plenty of higher-end grooming products marketed to both men and women, or even gender neutral, that can be purchased nowadays. And yes, if the price point is your greatest concern, it’s a factor to consider. But shaving brands for men such as Proraso is great quality for the price point. Why more people settle for brands like Gillette when there are better products on the market at or even lower in price is beyond me.
Why more people settle for brands like Gillette when there are better products on the market at or even lower in price is beyond me.
But I’m not legally allowed to buy anything better than Gillette. I’ve been told that Gillette is “the best a man can get™” so I’m kinda stuck with it.
Can you give me some recommendations?
Depends. Are you looking for the best on the market, or are you looking for quality while still considering price?
If it’s not a hassle, tell me both. If it is, then the second option is the one I care more
So if you’re talking top shelf, it depends on the nature of the personal care itself. Many of the best brands are often European in origin. Thou depending on the nature of the product, it can very.
When talking shaving cream, there’s the top three in the U.K… St. James of London, Taylor of Old Bond Street, and Truffit and Hill. I recommend Truffit and Hill as they are, in my opinion, the best. They hold a world record for the world’s oldest barbershop and until recently had a royal warrant from the British Royal Family.
For soap, you have another British brand known as Molton Brown. They also have a royal warrant and are known best for their body care products like liquid body soap, shampoo, and conditioner. You also have the French body soap brand Pre de Provence, which makes great bars of body soap and some liquid soap at a more reasonable price.
For things like deodorant, things get a bit more tricky. While their are high-end brands that do operate in this business, it’s usually not their main line of product. The men’s grooming company, Jack Black, is best known for its deoterant. Thou I have to say that the nature of the industry of the product is starting to shift. While maybe not to everyone’s liking. Their’s a smaller start-up called Helmm that produces and sells refillable men’s deoterant, which is the best deoterant product I have ever used.
I will have part-two listed soon.
Wow, thanks a lot, I’ll definitely take a look!
But then what am I to do with all of these DUDE WIPES?
Flush them at your frienemy’s house.
