Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.
The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.
But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”
For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.
Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
In 2006, when I was about 6 years, my mother, sadly, suffered a miscarriage. It devestated our family. This also marked a turning point in my life as my parents divorced not long after. It’s stories like these that make me wonder what would have happened to my dear mother after her miscarriage if the same fundamentalist theocrats were in power then. Would they have arrested her? Would she have died under the same atrocious conditions that Ms. Barnica had to suffer? What will happen to my wife if, goodness forbid, something similar happens to her? This story highlights why, five days from now, you MUST vote. We have make that incidents like these don’t repeat. Don’t just do it for your sake. Do it for the sake of those dearest and nearest to you.
there’s another thread about outsiders’ criticisms of lemmy, and one of the comments mentioned that it’s “unwelcoming to right wing viewpoints”
I WONDER FUCKING WHY
I wish the world was unwelcoming to right-wing viewpoints. This is the result and so many people are fine with it. It’s so depressing.
Unfortunately you’ll have to get used to it and continue challenging them. The polycrisis is only going to get worse and the number of refugees from the impact of climate change and climate change related causes i.e. conflict from collapsing food / water access and / or failed states.
In the next 10 to 20 years life quality will peak and then will start collapsing over the next 50.
When that happens a significant cohort of the population will close ranks and want to “protect” those closest around them, the desire the ultra-rich have for isolation will continue to trickle down into the rich and remnants of the upper middle class as the wealth gap widens. In times of crisis this cohort pushes further and further right.
So keep working against these forces so we can get the rich to pay their fair share to fix these problems but be prepared to take up arms when the house of cards that is the relative stability we have now collapses.
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Probably the most common right-wing taking point these days. This is the level of discourse the GOP has to offer at this point
Their trollish response to me suggests they’re not the most educated of people.
They rarely are. Hate is stupid and easy. You don’t need to think in order to hate, you just see someone and decide they’re bad for whatever reason you like. Heck, if you can’t find a reason let Fox and Friends™ find one for ya 😀
As Trump once said, “I love the poorly-educated.”
Yes. That’s the sort of thing.
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“I added nothing useful to the conversation and got nothing useful out of it. Fuckin’ leftists.”
🤣
Hey, mod here. I’ve removed 2 of your comments, because they were trolling. Please read the rules. The next time this happens, we will be giving you a temporary ban.
Paradox of tolerance. They aren’t welcome because they tend not to play nice with others.
I feel genuinely bad for the non-facist conservatives, but today they’d be called leftist too, so I think it’s still fair to say it really shouldn’t be welcome anywhere because the term has become very extreme.
“non-fascist conservatives” have spent the last 40 years obstructing and cozying up to fascists rather than play well with others. They knew what they were doing.
Or, to be as charitable as possible, they’re useful idiots who are lazily unaware of how heinous the people they’re blindly following are.
They’re not exactly unaware, but only care for how it affects them. Anything heinous that happens to someone else is seen as completely irrelevant.
This is how it works though, right? They keep ostracizing groups until they run out of out-groups to attack and the next round begins. The old inner circle is now the circle and a new inner circle is proclaimed, the new outgroup(s) are revealed, and the feeding frenzy continues.
This is what always baffles me about minorities that are staunchly Republican. They’re actually voting for themselves to be put on the chopping block (just not right away)
This is exactly why fascism is ultimately self-defeating. The only question is how many people get hurt in the meantime.
> Talks against healthcare
> Wonders why nobody likes those speeches
Right-wingers don’t have viewpoints. Fascism is not a legitimate political position. It is a threat. We don’t call a serial killer’s propensity to kill a “viewpoint”. Conservatives have motives, not viewpoints.
They can stay on X.
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This is fucking barbaric. The hospital let her sit for 40 hours with a fetus hanging out of her uterus. Just take a moment to imagine what that alone must have felt like aside from the emotional horror of losing a pregnancy. We wouldn’t even imagine treating pets or livestock this way but it’s clear that these repugnant forced-birthers don’t consider women to be people. One little pill to speed up the labor that her body already decided was needed was all that was required to keep this woman alive. What’s the point of even having healthcare when we can’t rely on it.
God. I agree. This is horrific. And we have the audacity to consider ourselves a first-world country. Texans should immediately take themselves to the state house to demand better. Our tax dollars pay for hospitals to treat us, not to kill us.
Not a lawyer, but I wonder if there a case to be made with letting a woman get an infection and die due to the fear of commiting a crime by killing the baby. In the end, two people died, but one could have survived.
Oh you can rely on it… Only if you are Male, White, and Wealthy.
A texas woman didn’t die, a texas woman was murdered by the state’s ignorant, bigoted, christo-fascist policy - abbott, patrick, cruz, gohmert, that cock eyed AG and the rest of them along with every complicit texas republican voter… they all have blood on their cowardly hands.
Ok, and? What consequences are they going to face? How will their quality of life be diminished in any way?
I’ll answer for you: none, because we, the little people, do not matter. Period.
I want change by any means necessary.
I have been sharpening my guillotine … It could fix some things
Comments like these do less than nothing. We need to actually go outside and organize against the people taking our freedoms away. Protests, signing petitions, civil disobedience, even just donating goes a hell of a lot farther than writing comments on the internet.
Oh completely agree… I’m also just having a laugh
I’ll bring the Murphy’s wood oil and get that frame polished up real nice
Only the best for these demons!!
Gotta keep those grooves clean so the blade doesn’t bind on the way down
These are the practical guillotine tips that I live for!
Here’s hoping Allred wiped the stage with cruz enough to show a little hope to anyone with any good in them left in the state.
And if she didn’t get murdered, she could have been charged for murder for having a miscarriage.
Pure fucking rage. Not advocating for violance but, I would vote not guilty.
Somewhat ironic username considering that’s exactly what every conservative is, smile and vote to fuck your buddy over. I’d be another on the not guilty
And Republicans will never care about it. Fucking ghouls.
There’s always an acceptable number of deaths with the GOP. It’s just happens to be infinite when it comes to healthcare, pandemics, poverty, guns - basically anything that won’t result in punishing innocent brown people. In that case the number is extremely low.
Not only will they not care, they will dismiss it and joke about it. From the article (regarding a different woman who died from being denied life saving medical care):
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp called the reporting “fear mongering.” Former President Donald Trump has not weighed in — except to joke that his Fox News town hall on women’s issues would get “better ratings” than a press call where Thurman’s family spoke about their pain.
Vote Kamala Harris and your sisters, wives and daughters might stop dying for lack of health care when pregnant. Allow Trump to regain power and it will get much, much worse for the women you care about.
What is the course of action that you expect Kamala to take that would prevent this situation in Texas? And if you have one, why hasn’t Biden done it already?
Win the WH, win both houses of Congress, blow up the filibuster and enact national protections for abortion.
Will it work? Probably not. It definitely won’t happen if Trump wins, though.
Plus if Trump wins, Alito and Thomas retire and get replaced by 25 year old fascists and things get even worse for decades.
I dunno if you were being sincere or intentionally obtuse, but it’s kind of straightforward that we have to win.
I am not American, nor the person you responded to, but in 2020 the Democrats won the white house, the Senate, and the House of Representatives.
As an outsider looking in, why is there the expectation that Kamala doing it again in 2024 will have a different result?
That shit hasn’t happened in less contentious times, I literally cannot imagine it happening now.
Ok probably not sincere.
The contentiousness is what put killing the filibuster on the table. In less contentious times, we didn’t need to destroy basic political norms just to save people’s lives.
It takes basically no effort to vote. Things are clearly better with Harris winning than Trump.
You think I’m not sincere, and I think you’re delusional.
You arent sincere. You dont bring any arguments to the table while all the people you are arguing with did. Why do you think Trump would make this situation better when he is the reason this issue exists?
Roe v Wade still existed in less contentious times.
Not actively, gleefully making things worse. Biden is doing this.
Working to stack the Supreme Court, and triggering a constitutional crisis in the process because the Republican Senate will refuse confirmation, and the Supreme Court that was stacked with self-contradictory GOP bullshit will agree with them would be the interesting move that won’t happen because the Democrats are cowards and institutionalists rather than fascist monsters.
What definitely will happen with Kamala is that women in New York or California don’t suffer the same fate next year as well.
Disgusting that a life was lost over a “person” that would have never existed. This is doing wonders for the birthrate they are so worried about. I wonder if they just assumed this only effects the poors cause wealthier people would go to less restricted hospitals.
I don’t know why but “person” in quotations just rubs me the wrong way. I don’t think we have to dismiss the value of an unborn life in order to support abortion - they’re not mutually exclusive. In this case I would argue that there were two tragedies, one committed by “God” and the other by the state of Texas.
This avoidable and preventable death brought to you by “pro life” partisans.
Anti-choice is gaining more traction and is more accurate. Anti-choice or pro-death is more appropriate and logically consistent
All life is sacred, except when its not
Well off Republican Christian lives that can afford to go out of state for their moral abortion is sacred to them
Pro lifers kill again. They rate the right to live of potential life higher than someone who has been here for 28 years. Someone who left a husband and a child behind. I have to accept I hate pro lifers for the harm they cause. There is no justice in this world as long as these inhuman and barbaric laws are killing people. Real people, not potential people.
Republicans: “God’s will.”
As long as there was no abortion, their view is she deserves it.
Fuck your God.
Well, actually there is no god, or gods, but you know, fuck your idea of what a God would be like
The hospital should be sued for death from negligence
The hospital’s hands are tied by dystopian laws - this is what “pro life” looks like.
These are becoming way more common the more we let this right wing evil shit sink in.
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Right, I don’t disagree with you, but there is no legal ground on which to sue the hospital. They acted as they were legally required, the law will be on their side. I’d say go after the politicians involved for wrongful death, if it weren’t for qualified immunity.
Honestly, I just hope anyone able and willing to leave such shithole states are able to do so, although that’s obviously much easier than done. Their leadership has clearly failed them and does not care about them. :(
I’m sorry but humans refusing to save the life of another human because of an obtuse law is unconscionable. They should have done what needed to be done and let the lawyers sort it out later.
It’s absolutely unconscionable, but it’s a medical (and very stupid/unnecessary) version of the trolley problem.
You’re a doctor. The tracks going one way have a single patient that you can treat and save. The tracks going the other way have every patient you’d get to see over the entirety of the rest of your career - literally thousands of people.
Treat the one and risk an avalanche of legal problems to include losing your license; the literal thousands of people are now fucked. Skip the one under the legal microscope, and she’s for-sure fucked, but your license lives to serve another day.
It’s fucked up. It’s evil. It’s what pro-life gets us.
You cannot expect a doctor to risk their freedom over a single patient. It’s like societal-level triage.
You can expect your lawmakers to not craft the world you live in into a dystopian hellscape… when they fail to live up to that expectation, don’t direct your anger at the people they’ve put into a bind; bring it directly to the lawmakers.
By who, the state of Texas? This is what they want to happen.
The hospital was following Texas law. Any doctor who helped her would have been arrested.
“I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s knife or the chemist’s drug. I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient’s recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.”
Instead of blaming doctors for not martyring themselves for the Hippocratic oath, we should be putting the blame on the lawmakers that created this scenario to begin with.
Greg Abbott and Donald Trump should be sued for maliciously causing death.
What the actual fuck. This is horrendous.
Pro-life crowd, I thought you were supposed to keep life, not end it.
Now there’s a man who’s a widow, a child without a mother, and a lady who died all for literally nothing.
Fuckin’ hell.
Hurting women is part of the platform. This is not even an ‘unintended’ consequence.
It’s 2024. What the fuck america
Don’t blame America for this. Most of us want legal, safe abortion laws. It’s a disgruntled minority of hyper-religious whack jobs that have been handed outrageous power in our top court by a narcissistic sociopath that are to blame.
Evangelicals Christians = American Taliban.
yeh agreed! but might be a bit complicated. possibly the dumbest thing i’ve ever written down is that I’m into some cool bands,
Leaving Children without a Mother while also killing the Fetus is called being PRO LIFE and PROTECTING THE CHILDREN!
