- The EU Citizens petition to stop killing games is not looking good. It’s shy of halfway where it needs to be, on a very high threshold, and it’s over in a month and change.
- paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: “Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign.”
- The past year has been quite draining on Ross, so he’s done campaigning after next month.
- It will still take a few years for the dust to clear at various consumer protection bureaus in 5 different countries, and the UK’s seems to be run by old men who don’t understand what’s going on.
- At least The Crew 2 and Motorfest will get offline modes as a consolation prize?
This is a PR issue. For some bizarre reason they decided that game preservation should be independent of the right to repair movement a movement that had fairly significant momentum by the time they started talking about games preservation. So for some insane reason they separated the two concepts in people’s minds and that resulted in nobody caring.
Then they decided to whine about the fact that it was unsuccessful despite the fact that they’d essentially done everything they could to kneecap the movement.
What does game preservation have to do with right to repair? I support both, but if people don’t care about preserving games, latching it onto the right to repair movement is just going to drag it down for no reason.
Nothing, one was simply trendy and OP doesn’t know how movements work so they just lumped it together
It was nice to have some degree of hope for nearly a year. So I guess, thanks for at least giving it a serious attempt Ross.
Piratesoftware makes me so fucking mad, shit is so crazy people give him the time of day.
What happened ? I’m out of the loop on this one
He’s opposed to it. He speaks with a very clam, professional voice, so people like to believe him. I get skeeved out by it personally. Honestly, we shouldn’t be taking advice from former Blizzard dev anyway. Nothing that comes from that company has ever been respectful to players or even human decency.
Don’t forget he’s also (allegedly) a nepo hire
He wasnt even a dev. He was a quality tester.
Judging from the “quality” output from the company, he was just a yesman telling his bosses what they wanted to hear.
I would like to thank you because, I immediately fell in love with the website you recommended.
It’s mainly because they use RSS.
Sorry, I went to sleep not long after I made that comment. I see I was beaten to it but, he was just so dramatically crass and rude when introduced to the movement, and said mean shit about Ross, the guy behind the movement, calling him gross, a greasy used car salesman, saying “he can eat my whole ass”. And after all of that, he refused to speak to Ross and continued to make 2 entire youtube videos, and some livestreams about shit talking the movement, fuck that snotty little prick.
Typical Blizzard dev BS
“You think you do, but you don’t!”
Calling one of the most polite, succinct and eager to explain themselves YouTubers a greasy used car salesman is just an automatic red flag, just unbelievably skeevy behavior from him.
Ah you know, not the outcome I hoped for but it’s exactly what I expected from humans.
paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: “Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign.”
I agreed with Ross previously that Thor taking a really dumb fuck position helped get more attention on the issue that was, IMO, as hopeless as trying to get the masses to care about or understand Net Neutrality. That was what I saw repeated and upvoted at the time even before Thor revealed himself to be a gigantic narcissistic nepo baby bullshitter more recently.
If you watched the vid OP, what changed his opinion? I’ll check it out once I’m home from work regardless.
what changed his opinion?
The metrics on signatures for the citizens’ initiative. If it helped, it would have boosted those too, but it didn’t. He also got word that at least one very large YouTuber/streamer that he did not name decided to stay quiet about SKG because it would have contradicted Thor.
I’ll also reiterate that 1M signatures out of a population of 450M is an absurdly high threshold to have to reach, so getting 1/10th of that is still impressive, even if it’s unsuccessful.
Fuck whoever stayed quiet then
“Oh no, I might contradict the annoying moron who is wrong! I can’t be seen as being on the opposite of that!”
Man, so many influencers do this. It’s really a shame what kind of world we are building. People who actually have reach - influencers, staying quiet about real issues in fear of cutting the hand that feeds them. Off topic but damn if it doesn’t hold true.
He also got word that at least one very large YouTuber/streamer that he did not name decided to stay quiet about SKG because it would have contradicted Thor.
So, Asmongold. Got it!
Actually Asmongold was one of the biggest names in support of SKG.
Broken clocks are right twice a day.
He’s a capital G gamer through and through. He cares more about games than literally anything else.
I am not following Thor very much, what did he do recently?
It’s all incredibly online, but searching the keywords “piratesoftware WoW drama onlyfangs” will get the ball rolling if you want to see a prime example of how a narcissist acts when getting caught out very publicly. He also embellished his past a lot and that got parroted in every thread mentioning him for months, so that shouldn’t be hard to stumble upon.
Don’t forget throwing his LGBT fans under the bus to have a happy conversation with asmongold and basically inviting the cunts fanbase to harass his LGBT viewers.
Then when said viewers tell him that he was wrong for that and now they are being harassed, he said people were trying to cancel him for having a normal conversation with asmongold about a video game.
That shit pissed me off so much. Pretentious cunt…
I hadn’t heard about that since I quit reddit. That might be the new best of the worst examples of his incapability of admitting fault ever.
I think the initiative just ran out of steam. I remember seeeing it everywhere for the first month or so, and then nothing, and it plateaued around where it is now. Maybe the vast majority of EU gamers just can’t be arsed to read and sign a petition like this. I mean most can’t even vote with their wallet when a shit game releases. And of course it’s fun to blame thor/pirateguy for this ( and they probably did have their share of fault ) but in the end it looks like 500k is the amount of gamers that actually give a fuck about the state of things.
Yup, I don’t watch his content, but looking at his actual viewership numbers, he doesn’t even remotely have the impact to make or break a petition by himself.
It just didn’t reach enough people, no one I know that is not on Reddit and Lemmy even heard about it or understood the problem to begin with, on top of that, most “gamers” are playstation players that don’t know anything about these problems or care for that matter.
I mean I’m tired of signing online petitions that get summarily ignored
This isn’t “just a petition”. It’s a formal path to get a response from the EU commission. If it reaches the thresholds, the EU commission is forced by law to consider it. It isn’t some random petition that can be filed away and never heard of again.
what’s it like having a (semi)functional government?
Would be better if citizens actually cared and didn’t dream of becoming the USA 🤷♂
PirateSoftware is an enormous cunt.
And he makes no effort to hide it.
I genuinely don’t understand why he has such a rabid fanbase.
I’ve seen him described elsewhere as “a poor man’s idea of a rich man” and I think it’s accurate.
With that said, I don’t think it’s his fault the petition failed, people just don’t care usually.
edit: To give more context, Pirategames literally does not know what the Stop Killing Games movement is about, he thinks it’s only about single-player games being always-online (yes that’s a component of it but not the whole thing) and converting multiplayer games to be offline-playable single-player games but it does NOT mention that anywhere because it is NOT about that. However, I guarantee you that Pirategames will not admit that he was mistaken about his understanding of the Stop Killing Games movement, he will instead double and triple down and insist that he had the correct understanding of it. lol
i don’t watch him but i hope this isn’t about what he did in wow because the sheer fact that anyone even gives a shit seems wild to me. but hey i hate MMOs so maybe that’s why.
is there other reasons people don’t/shouldn’t like him or is it just vibes
edit: nvm got an answer on another content
It’s not because he did anything wrong in wow that people are upset/memeing about, it’s because he’s unable to say “I’m sorry, I could have done better” without including any buts or “the others also messed up”. It has just exposed him as an incredibly self obsessed person.
on that part sorry i still don’t care. it’s a child’s game; there’s nothing to apologize for. but his comments on stop killing games and accused farms are bad.
big mistake bud, you just made the list
Youtube shorts.
Imagine you’re a gamer, one who is interested in game Design. Your view history has games, gaming, game design, but it’s also full of algotrash talking heads, scam baiters, shit slingers. You open the YouTube app on your phone, and it immediately opens to shorts, you don’t remember settings that as the default but it’s fine, you recognize the creator and the 45 second clip was neat. Swipe up. Next video, it Nile Blue dropping a beaker of chloroauric acid. Next video, its Chris Boden yelling about some kind of electrical infrastructure you don’t understand (and that’s pretty cool). Next video, Thor, speaking softly, explaining an aspect of game design that you never thought of. This one catches your attention, its in your wheelhouse, its something you’re genuinely interested in. You click the profile, swipe through a few more shorts. Your algorithm is permanently damaged. Your a pirate software fan now, whether you like it or not.
Or you can use freetube and never see algotrash talking heads in your feed and never enter into this cycle.
Hey don’t talk shit about Chris he’s a fun dude who shares his passion and cool knowledge and that’s pretty cool.
and he acts like a 12 year old hopped up on meth and red bull.
Never talked shit about about Chris, love the guy, but its absolutely true that he partakes in the same clickbaity tendencies that lead us to this problem in the first place.
I really fucking hate that, too. The algorithm is so fucking vile and evil.
I cant even watch the content i want to watch on youtube, like fishing and guns (with the exception of forgotten weapons and InRange, which the algorithm doesnt seem to view as gateways to right wing indoctrination (cause they arent) and seem to be safe… at least for now.), because if I so much as hover my mouse over one of the thumbnails of that kind of content, I immediately get blasted with 3 months of right wing extremist pseudo-intellectual diarrhea that I cant escape without completely resetting my browser.
but if I spend an evening watching retrogaming stuff? Oh fuck, Youtube just completely ignores that and pretends it never saw me show interest in that.
I’ve been downvoting all of this trash for 3 months now. I still get this trash. It has nothing to do with algorithm anymore. This is Homogenisierung
Downvoting requires you: A. Click into the video
B. Select the downvote button, thereby engaging with the videoThe algorithm is not designed to feed you content you like, only content that will generate clicks and interaction. The only way to eliminate that content from your feed is to forcibly remove it, as they have designed the feed such that it is impossible not to interact with it.
Again, I suggest trying freetube as a frontend, as it allows you to retitle and rethumbnail clickbait videos, and remove shorts from your feeds, thereby eliminating the skinner box that is youtube from your life.
youtube is a lot like telephone scammers.
The only winning move is to not to play, because anything you do just confirms existence and worsens experience.
They hide it, but they do have RSS Feeds for each channel. I follow all the channels that interest me via my feed reader and only interact with the site to watch the videos. I never click any links to anywhere and am not logged in.
With videos, yes, but not with shorts. It’s like TikTok where you swipe, but you have like and dislike buttons as well. I dislike all AI slob, Nile, nearly all of that shitty promoted stuff, but still get these.
Same with Spotify, my weekly mix rarely contains more than 1 song I actually listen to (metal, punk, hardstyle, hardcore) yet it gives me hardbass and this kind of genre where all you hear is distorted over-amplified bass every third of a second and that’s it… I dislike like a tinderella
A STRANGE GAME. THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY… … HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS?
-Joshua/WOPR - War Games (1983)
I feel like this needs to be spread as far and wide as possible, and for PirateSoftware to be mass reported for misinformation about an ongoing political initiative.
He’s so polite!
Ross is pretty great, give the game dungeon a go.
One of my favorite youtubers for over a decade now.
I understand why he’s frustrated. EU citizens are just so damn lazy and won’t help themselves. I’ve told all my friends and family, brought it up at parties and other gatherings to anybody who plays games. But there are EU gamers (streamers and consumers alike) who are chronically online, on every proprietary platform out there and who don’t give 2 shits about the campaign.
Edit: Fuck Thor.
That’s not true. The petition to ban gay conversion therapy achieved the same number of signatures within days. This is just much more niche.
Gaming is the biggest entertainment industry on the planet. Globally it generates more money than music and movies combined. Germany alone had an estimated 49 million players in 2022 (wikipedia), with France 45 million and Italy 36 million. Even if they were wrong by one decimal that would still make more than 12 million in those 3 countries alone.
The vast majority of European gamers are just too lazy to do anything in their own self-interest. It’s embarrassing.
Yeah but most gamers don’t care deeply about games. Meanwhile, most gay people care about about not being tortured, and other people can empathise with that. The amount of money in it plays literally no role in whether people would sign a petition.
I’ve always thought that the only solution to this problem is being able to reverse engineering central servers and thus being effectively being able to pirate online only games.
Reverse engineering the server is reverse engineering the whole game. It’s going to require skilled engineers and a significant time investment. It may be possible, but not practical.
Also, the client will likely verify it is talking to a legitimate server by checking a certificate, so you may also have to hack the client too.
At some point you’re better off making your own game with hookers and blackjack.
It’s an unreliable solution, because there’s no guarantee that even dedicated and talented individuals will be able to reverse engineer every online server, if that game has those individuals in its customer base in the first place. The solution seems to be either legislation, which this campaign is seeking, or for the market to outright reject online-only games, which it isn’t doing. I don’t even really have an alternative to online-only games in some genres, like FPS for instance, to send my dollars toward instead; sports games are in a similar position, since the sports organizations all signed exclusivity contracts.
The solution is legislation, as without that, we can’t expect companies to decide to release either the executables or source code for running the servers, other than a handful looking to get some attention and goodwill.
Which is exactly what the EU Citizen’s Initiative is about 👌
Ross mentions reverse engineering towards the end of the vid so it’s definitely top of mind now for the future of the initiative, bar rebooting it with someone else. Agreed that it’s really the only alternative when the industry is as steeped in back alley deals and skeevy dishonest commentary as it is.
I’m quite lost (disinterested) on MCU stuff as of late, what’s going on about Thor? Is there a game?
