Pizza Hut made over $6 billion last year, you’d think they could afford to pay their drivers.
Of course the can pay their drivers but think of the poor shareholders who may see 0.1% less profit or the CEO who may get only 99% of their usual bonus. Oh the horror!!
The Pizza Hut corporation will be fine. These are franchises we are talking about. The franchises pay an initial fee of $25k and then 6% + 4.75% sales/marketing fees to Pizza Hut.
It’s the owners of the franchises that are responsible for fucking over their employees. While Pizza Hut could reduce their fees, they won’t. Franchise owners could increase pay, but they won’t. It’s more likely that the franchise owners will offload deliveries to Uber and Door Dash and not have to worry about managing drivers anymore.
The entire model sucks, so I am not blaming franchise owners over the corporation. They are both at fault for relying on the extortion of teenagers or other people who don’t have extremely profitable job skills.
https://franchise.pizzahut.com/faqs/
Edit: Also, these aren’t one-off mom and pop franchise owners anymore. These are franchise owning conglomerates that likely have more negotiable franchise fees.
Won’t offloading the delivery to those services cost even more? They take a pretty hefty cut of the sale. Last I heard it was around 30% of an order.
At least where I live, delivery food is extremely expensive for that reason. Restaurants have two prices: one for walk-ins and the other for delivery that they show on the apps. The restaurant business (especially for independent owners) has cutthroat margins already so the customer is always going to pay the fees, one way or another.
They just offload it on consumers by raising the price of the food and the ever present tip feature.
So done with post Covid timeline here.
They will likely make a deal with a delivery company, as they should. It is inefficient for every restaurant to have delivery drivers.
Pizza places have had delivery drivers for years, it’s not inefficient.
Technically it’s mega franchisees like Provender Capital Group’s “PacSun Pizza,” not PizzaHut that is going to be pocketing the cash from this move.
It’s all about maximizing profit.
Expending the least, while taking in the most.
It’s staggering how many people don’t understand the difference between franchises and corporations on wall street in the internet age
It’s staggering how many people assume things without looking into them. In this case, it’s a corporation called Pac Pizza, LLC and makes over $25 million per year that’s doing the layoffs. I think they can pay their delivery drivers an extra $4 (according to the USA Today article linked above) per hour.
If they had to pay all of their less than 500 employees (according to the Zoominfo page linked above) the extra $4 per hour, and they all worked full time, 40-hour weeks all year, the company would have to pay just over $4 million in extra wages.
Assuming the franchises make the low end of the estimated revenue linked above, $4.5 million would be 16% of the total. Increasing prices by 16% to cover that cost is far less than the approximately 40% customers end up paying when using third-party delivery services.
All in all, this sure seems like the franchise corporation (probably in cahoots with Pizza Hut proper) is just using these delivery jobs as a political stunt in opposition of the mandated wage increase.
Here’s the takeaway, though. Any employer, including but not limited to mom-and-pop businesses, that can’t afford to pay its employees a living wage should not be in business.
It’s staggering how many people assume things without looking into them. In this case, it’s a corporation called Pac Pizza, LLC and makes over $25 million per year that’s doing the layoffs. I think they can pay their delivery drivers an extra $4 (according to the USA Today article linked above) per hour.
If they had to pay all of their less than 500 employees (according to the Zoominfo page linked above) the extra $4 per hour, and they all worked full time, 40-hour weeks all year, the company would have to pay just over $4 million in extra wages.
Assuming the franchises make the low end of the estimated revenue linked above, $4.5 million would be 16% of the total. Increasing prices by 16% to cover that cost is far less than the approximately 40% customers end up paying when using third-party delivery services.
All in all, this sure seems like the franchise corporation (probably in cahoots with Pizza Hut proper) is just using these delivery jobs as a political stunt in opposition of the mandated wage increase.
Here’s the takeaway, though. Any employer, including but not limited to mom-and-pop businesses, that can’t afford to pay its employees a living wage should not be in business.
There’s 19,000 pizza huts, but most all of them are franchises. It’s not “pizza hut” firing drivers over this. It’s franchise owners. Also, if you were to do some napkin math, 19,000 (I know. Just california, but that would hardly be fair to everyone else) pizza huts needing say…5 drivers each at 40 hours a week paid 20 means a cost of about 28 after insurance and such… that’d be 95 thousand drivers…$106,400,000 a week…$5,532,800,000 a year.
Shit gets expensive.
But face it. Delivery drivers make a lot in tips. People have been willing to do it using their own vehicles for decades while they make super low minimum wages. Making $20/ hour plus the tips will have the delivery guy out doing everyone else at the restaurant, which means their pay will have to go to like $35/hour which means a stupid pizza is gonna cost $30. Let uber eats handle the deliveries.
What pizza hut has 5 full time drivers? There’s only 1200 people affected by this and 560 locations so a little more than 2 per location. Now let’s look at the cost those delivery apps charge 30%. So if 35% of sales are deliveries now theyre paying Uber ~110k to deliver their pizzas. 28$/hr is high closer to 23-25$/hr for overhead. That’s roughly what the delivery drivers would have cost and now they’re getting way shittier delivery service and people are much less likely to buy pizza from them. Sounds like a dumb move.
5 too many? I just figured there’d be like 2 delivery people at any given time and trying to have 3 on Friday and Saturday night.
But as to Uber, that’s the customers choice if they want to pay an arm and a leg to have pizza brought to their door. It won’t much effect the pizza hut. Store dedicated delivery drivers are a thing of the past now. They’ve been outsourced.
I don’t think you understand the business models of those food delivery apps. I used to own a restaurant and talked with many other restaurant owners at the time all those apps take 25-30% Uber was 30 the less known ones were 25%. This is outside of whatever the customer paid for the delivery. You also weren’t allowed to change the prices for delivery to compensate. So it does affect the pizza hut.
More than paying everyone on staff an extra $10 an hour, though? If the delivery guy is getting 20 an hour plus tips, the in house staff won’t be happy with making $22/hr.
States minimum wage is 16$/hr so it’s not as big a difference. That’s also not really an argument because then they could just leave and go to another pizza place that does do delivery if that made sense.
Pizza in Boston delivered by door dash is routinely right about $30 before tip. My credit card offers free door dash premium whatever it’s called and I usually choose places offering a promo and tend to order early when there are also promos. That brings things down to the $20s. But it’s generally about $30 with tip even doing all that. If I’m not paying attention it’s easy to order a $45 pizza.
To be fair I don’t eat from pizza Hut or Dominos or other chains. Those might be a few percent cheaper.
What card is that?
Chase sapphire reserve. $595 annual fee seems crazy at first but if you use the perks it pays for itself multiple times over.
That’s half my point, though. You choosing to pay $30 through door dash or Uber eats is your choice. The restaurant isn’t charging way more for their pizzas because they have to pay everyone on staff a lot more. Delivery has been outsourced and so have the added costs that go along with it.
Are you figuring places only deliver one pizza an hour?
No more than you’re imagining each pizza hut only has one employee that cooks,preps, waits tables, takes orders, and delivers the pizza all on their own.
The ones around my place do.
They even have to be the bathroom attendants too but the cologne selection sucks.
$20/hour is only part of employee compensation. It does not include benefits or taxes. Your employer pays a lot of taxes on your behalf.
Don’t even get me started on the money and time taken to recruit, hire, and train new employees.
Don’t misunderstand me. I support a higher minimum wage. I am a firm believer that minimum wage should be $25/hour and increases should be tied to inflation.
Your employer pays a lot of taxes on your behalf.
That’s money they would have paid you anyway, and you would have to pay in taxes. Your employer is not out any extra cash, they’re just saving you the trouble.
Don’t even get me started on the money and time taken to recruit, hire, and train new employees.
For delivery drivers?
Know how to drive? If not, next. Here’s the pizza. Put it on a flat surface in the vehicle, don’t throw or flip it. Use Google maps to get to the house. Hand it to the customer. Come back. Done.
Delivery guys should always outdo nearly everyone else at pizza joint, you seem to lack a necessary depth of knowledge and experience to make your conclusions.
They could have just focused on providing a better delivery experience, instead they’re going to let uber drivers deliver cold pizza with the wrong soda.
With higher delivery fees! Why on earth would anyone even order Pizza Hut after this? If I’m paying obscene delivery fees and jacked up menu prices through doordash or whoever anyway, I’m getting better food than that. Or just eating at home like I end up doing every time I look at the total from one of those services.
It doesn’t even make sense as sure, Uber doesn’t pay drivers much and Pizza Hut won’t have to employ them, but customers will have to pay more. So Pizza Hut could have just said “due to increases in wages we have to implement a delivery fee”, and actually paid their drivers. They’d rather do this dramatic ‘omg we have to fire them’ thing though.
Its a punitive measure. Our lords want to send the message that further wage legislation will not be tolerated.
I agree. It might make financial sense for them as far as reducing payroll and management costs, but it seems just as likely to reduce their sales by as much as that saves. To me it feels like a political statement “how dare you expect us to pay employees!” where they pretend it’s not possible for them to make it work. Which is fine. If a business depends on paying subsistence slave wages, it should just close.
“In retaliation we shall destroy their Pizza Hut. Let us see how the uppity peasants like that!”
Not aboutdestroying, its about directing anger back to the working class. Its a look what you made me do for standing up for yourself.
Oh no, whatever shall we do if they put themselves out of business?!
Sucks to be them when they refuse to pay for any staffing and close.
You are vastly overestimating the brain dead American population that will see the higher price, order delivery anyway, and then stop thinking about it.
Like, they just don’t think about how it will affect their finances at all. People order takeout and delivery every day without a second thought.
To be clear I am not victim blaming the poor, but we are beyond late stage capitalism here. They won.
This is a defeatist take and while the answer isn’t a super simple “just tell people to not order out and cook more” we can definitely do more to help people stop relying on eating out and fast food.
Except that’s not what’s happening at all. Go look at Just Eats stock price after aquiring grub hub for a few billion. Turns out, people actually do scoff at the delivery price of these services.
No. In the days you maybe added $3 to an order for delivery and added a tip. Now you pay a $5 delivery fee and tip plus 20%-30% markup. They cornered and ruined the market and only those with too much money will simply not care.
I’ve only ordered from the big ones to avoid fucky delivery services. It just eliminates the point of it.
Why on earth would anyone even order Pizza Hut after this?
More money than sense.
Businesses have long realized it’s easier and cheaper to rip off a smaller group of wealthier customers.
After winning on Prop 22, Uber/Lyft guaranteed drivers $13/hr. I’m not sure where the likes of Uber Eats/Grubhub stand in comparison, but even if we assume they’re also at $13/hr, that’s a full ‘federal minimum wage’ less than the Pizza Hut drivers would need to be paid. For doing literally the same job but with way, way worse benefits (e.g., having to provide your own insurance).
It’s actually insane. Prop 22 is a travesty.
$20/hr isn’t even what I would consider a living wage in California, and Pizza Hut is here proudly admitting they were paying their drivers substantially less than that. But the deliveries will still happen, just to even worse-paid people. It’s a crazy cycle of abuse of labor.
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Seriously. I don’t see why companies that were already paying for delivery drivers (eg, the chain pizza companies) don’t sell their delivery services as a value add. When I order a pizza from DoorDash, it doesn’t come wrapped in an insulated carrier and so often arrives cold. I’m not sure what else they could throw in but they’re just tossing it (no pun intended).
I’m also curious as to the numbers on this. I don’t know if this was done after a full evaluation of raising delivery service fees or other ways of addressing it, but the fact that they’re doing it in all of California instead of keeping it in markets like SF or LA makes me think it was a petulant act rather than a rationally justified one.
Just as a clarification (not a defense) from someone that drives for DoorDash - every time the driver picks up a pizza order, they are required to provide photo proof that they own a pizza bag. I’m not saying this forces drivers to use them, but they have to upload different pics of their pizza bags sometimes with every pickup.
Edit: autocorrect
The reason you have to do this is because you drivers are notorious for having absolutely zero standards and a solid “idgaf” attitude.
Give them a low rating, then. Hardly anyone leaves ratings, and a 1 star could easily tank them below the 4.2 rating they need to avoid their account being deactivated. I’ve done over 600 runs and only 35 have left any kind of rating, for example. Super easy to tank the average.
Oh, I had no idea. Thank you for the clarification!
Right? Just charge me $5 for delivery and pay your drivers a decent wage.
This is so weird to me because pizza is one of the few things I actually order for delivery… there isn’t much around here other than 3rd party services, which I don’t use because I’m rural and the way it works here is just gross. Had 6 come in for the same failed order while I was out on Tuesday (menu wasn’t open for that item but it was ordered through another platform, and 6 people came asking for it for the same order because of how the platform works). I can’t imagine actually working there.
But I suppose in more urban areas, pizza hut is competing with actually good food also on delivery (for a very steep markup people are apparently willing to pay or the services would die), so it’s no surprise they can’t compete on their own; and still also turn record profits. Heaven forbid they die in the region. 🙂
This is why I won’t order pizza from places that use a sub contracted delivery. It gets here like shite. No thanks.
It was not a good move on their part.
And they are going to charge for it. I hate pizza places that have done this. It’s at LEAST $20-$30 more now to get delivery.
Yeah. It’s pretty bad. It’s the good pizza places that do that, too.
Honestly, that’s not much difference from how it’s been
It has been getting worse.
Out of curiosity, did you send that message recently or a day or two ago? My inbox says it’s been like 20m. Looking at the thread it says 2 days.
Definitely at least a day 🤔
I wonder if instances just take time to federate all content across to each other
If your business plan can’t make a profit while paying your people a living wage, than it doesn’t deserve to be in business.
Expecting people to live paycheque to paycheque in order to subsidize your desire to be a business owner is the Pinnacle of bullshit.
Pizza Hut is a joke in the bay area and Sacramento area. There are just too many good pizza places. I think it’s messed up, but I also think they aren’t doing well for more than just the delivery process.
Bay Area pizza is great if you want to spend $45 on a pizza
Look there is always better pizza, but I’m still going to have to buy Pizza Hut once in a while unless The Pizza Shop in SF starts selling stuffed crust
This is exactly why we have the type of shit we have right now. Because stuffed crust is more important than principles. I swear people have no willpower anymore.
I don’t get why people like stuffed crust anyways. It sounds like a good idea, but it’s trash
It was fine like 25 years ago when it came out. Tastes have since changed and there’s far more good quality food available even in the middle of nowhere.
Especially PizzaHut’s rubber cheese.
Wow you made a lot of assumptions about the type of person I am entirely off the fact that I genuinely enjoy stuffed crust pizza. You think me enjoying stuffed crust means I have no principles nor willpower? You might want to try not judging people so hard over incredibly unimportant things.
Wow… it took you 9 days to come up with that?
And, yes…that’s exactly what it means. I didn’t assume anything. The topic is literally avoiding buying Pizza Hut because of bullshit like this and your response was “But muh stuffy crust!”. I didn’t assume anything. You laid it all out for everyone.
1 guy isn’t going to change corporate America. Real change is only gonna come from execs and politicians, not from the 5 people who start a boycott.
There can be no flood if there are no raindrops.
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That saying doesn’t work because non-water floods exist
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A water droplet ain’t gonna form with 5 hydrogen atoms
Wow. The level of pedantry here while simultaneously missing the point is, quite frankly, staggering.
Way to argue semantical nonsense as opposed to the point.
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If you actually want cheap shitty pizza, then at least go to Little Caesars and only pay $5 for it
Pretty sure they aren’t $5 anymore.
And little caesar’s sells cardboard, not pizza. Just eat the box your pizza comes in if you want the Little Caesar’s® experience.
It’s honestly no worse than pizza hut. It’s not great pizza, but the quality is similar for half the price
Sorry, you’re wrong.
I think the only people who believe little caesar’s isn’t shit are those who were raised on it and got used to eating cardboard.
It absolutely is shit. But so is pizza hut. I might give pizza hut a slight edge, but just barely
They’re still charging $5 where I live. I can’t disagree about the cardboard, but it’s hard to beat the calorie/dollar ratio.
Try Tony’s pizza from Walmart.
If you’re feeling frisky, add your own extra toppings.
Round Table has stuffed crust.
You mean some gimmick no one gives a fuck about? Have you seen a real pizza restaurant sell stuffed crust? I haven’t. And if they did I wouldn’t order it.
You’ll eat shitty pizza that tastes like ass purely because it has stuffed crust.
Bullshit like this is why everything in this country is going down the toilet.
lol someone else made a disparaging comment and was voted into oblivion. I never knew but it seems that people really like stuffed crust pizza.
Honestly I learned how to make bread awhile back and haven’t ordered pizza ever since. I can make my own better than they can.
The new law, a modified version of the FAST Act proposing a minimum wage increase for fast-food workers to $22 an hour this year, has faced resistance from major chains such as McDonald’s, Chipotle and Chick-fil-A. These chains said they plan to raise menu prices to offset higher operating costs.
Can’t trim executive pay or profits. Must cut out services. All hail the mighty dollar.
Same reason my bank branch has tons of empty stations and only two tellers and a long line. Same reason they’re closing the drive-through lanes where my mom banks in the midwest. Convenience for customers is now the enemy getting in the way of higher profits.
I recently introduced my partner to The Sopranos. It opens with Tony Soprano commenting that he feels like he got into the scene (the mob) at the end of its heyday. I feel that way about capitalism.
Anecdotal for sure, but I can’t remember the last time I actually had to step foot in a bank. I’d argue that banks CAN cut staff as I can’t be alone in not really needing to go into a physical shop to bank anymore. All my banking requires an appointment.
However, fast food, in particular pizza places, need delivery drivers. Especially pizza hut. I can’t for the life of me think that people are going to go in and sit at a pizza hut anymore… what is it, 1988?
They’ll probably partner with door dash and triple the price of delivery doing so
Also half the quality of service. I only order delivery from places with dedicated delivery staff because without fail, food delivered by a gig worker is cold, incorrect, missing, late or otherwise fucked up.
The trend has been that delivery is getting worse, not better
There’s a bunch of old dumbasses who refuse to learn any new skills. We’re still gonna need people at banks until uhhhh… they’re gone.
I’m sure no one has needed to wire large sums of money or get cashiers checks these days, no one buys homes either anymore right? Fraud definitely doesn’t exist either 🤣
Just because you don’t have a use for it doesn’t mean others don’t. I’m sure there are many reasons I can’t think of for wanting to go into a bank in person, if that works for the folks that do it, how is that a problem? Does that harm you?
If you’re a small business, you very well might be at the bank at the end of every single day to deposit earnings for the day. I know when I was managing a cellphone shop, I’d be heading down to the bank across the street every Friday to drop off everything we made that week.
Yeah, and all those dickhead small-business owners who need to make deposits. Dildo.
To be fair, just because you may be out of touch with some part of business or society doesn’t mean it no longer exists or operates… That’s incredibly self centered. We are all out of touch with various industries, but that doesn’t mean it no longer operates as intended.
Every pizza shop I’ve been to in the last 5 years has been bustling with sit down eaters. Just not pizza hut.
Can’t trim executive pay or profits. Must cut out services. All hail the mighty dollar.
Well I mean yeah, how else are CEOs going to have 15 yachts? You think having only 14 yachts is acceptable? Yeah right!
Well I obviously need a yacht to dock my yacht in. What kind of sloven only has one billion kind of oligarch do you think I am?
To be fair, most of these are franchises. Meaning the restaurant itself makes money from the food sales and rats the costs of supplies and workers.
The franchise, like McDonald’s, makes their money from the real estate.
The consensus seems to be Holsten’s
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F*ck the people who empower gig economy. Fuck Uber eats, door dash and everything similar.
You can say fuck on Lemmy
You could say it anywhere except in front of insecure reddit mods.
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The lock-downs definitely aren’t at fault for doordash and ubereats, they were there and gaining traction before covid was discovered.
wat
Bruh, idk where you’re at, but in the major cities we were using Grubhub back in 2016. Though I think it was “Eat24” back then. And Door Dash had existed even earlier. This one isn’t on the 'rona.
This is one of the most ignorant comments I’ve seen on the internet today.
Pizza hut is trash anyways, unless you live in the middle of nowhere, you’ve probably got a better local pizza place. Please support them instead of a chain.
Shit, even Dominos is better than Pizza Hut these days. (Though yes, local is better.)
Domino’s is horrible but still better than Pizza Hut.
I actually quite like Dominos, specifically their Philly Cheesesteak pizza. They really turned their brand/quality around a few years back.
But there is obviously better pizza out there.
Most chains don’t have stuff crust. But I agree with you anyway
Most chains don’t have stuff crust
Good. I tried it a couple times and it was gross. The pizza was shit too.
But the crust is stuffed!
It’s not the only thing stuffed, SatansMaggotyCumFart.
And? Stuffed crust is terrible. Ever wonder why real pizza places don’t bother?
Have you even been to a real pizza place or is Pizza Hut all you know?
Taste in food is subjective and not everybody hates something that you hate.
I never knew that people felt so strongly on this question. TIL
Eh, local places are usually bigger scams than chains.
FYI: They’re part of Yum! Brands : KFC Pizza Hut Taco Bell Banh Shop (minority investor) The Habit Burger Grill
I will continue to boycott their “foods”.
And Yum Brands is owned by PepsiCo.
Not since about 25 years ago. It was spun off from PepsiCo in 1997. And in fact it was not called Yum until sometime later than that – it was never Yum under PepsiCo.
Edit to add: I still don’t go there, of course.
Oh my god no wonder they have shit sodas
Heresy! Pepsi is my sugar poison of choice!
Your body thanks you
Taco Bell was the last holdout with their $1 beef burrito (which was actually a double beef burrito)
They removed it and added shittier $2 items with less beef and more bullshit. Idiots ate that shit up, so we’re left with expensive garbage.
KFC, lol. So fucking overpriced and it’s shitty chicken anyways.
Honestly, with all the grocery delivery options, eating out just doesn’t make sense these days. I haven’t eaten out in almost a year since I got Walmart+.
Habit started out so good and now it tastes like ‘optimized supply chains’ like all the other shit places.
Don’t forget A&W and Long John Silvers
They no longer own A&W according to their Wikipedia entry.
I think you’re better off sticking to local.
You had me until The Habit. I will die for their pineapple teriyaki burger. Can’t get anything like it anywhere near me.
I’m not in California, but if Pizza Hut thinks I’m ever going to go out of my way to get one of their shitty pizzas, they’re very wrong. There are plenty of other places that deliver.
I go out of my way to avoid them already. They changed their sauce or something like 10 years ago and it tasted awful.
I’ve found it’s highly variable by location and how much of a fuck the franchisee/owner cares.
I think they removed the msg and it was game over for their pizza. Used to think of it as like premium pizza (but with heartburn) now I think of it as a more expensive version of dominoes.
Do you know to what specific change in their recipe this is owed? I haven’t had pizza hut in 20 years, their ground meat looked like it was shaped to resemble small bones like you would for maybe dog-treats. idk, that was the last time trying their pizza.
That’s not at all what they think. They know people will pay for delivery through DoorDash or whatever and also pay the tips and the service fees. It costs them less money and passes on the majority of what they were paying onto you so they can keep prices the same and make bigger profits.
It’s insane to me that people are willing to pay the exorbitant delivery fees. Whenever I’ve checked, especially lately, it doubles the price even before tip (including things in my immediate area). Uber/Lyft/doordash all want to offset their costs onto both the restaurant and customer. I can’t see that it’s sustainable in the long term to do this.
It’s not that insane. People pay for convenience. That’s all this is.
If you’re broke as fuck then I get it but I would bet most people using DoorDash aren’t worrying about their finances.
If you do it every day for every meal then ya you may have issues.
Personally I’d rather just hop in my car and pick it up.
I used to game with a lady who ordered DoorDash constantly and was also constantly complaining about the price and how they were always late and how they could never find her apartment. I didn’t get it.
Genuinely surprised pizza hutt still exists tbh. They were never good and now you can make better pizza at home from the frozen foods aisle at weis.
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80s Pizza Hut personal pan pizza was the greatest dining experience available to anyone under the age of 12. You could earn one by reading books, or pretending to read them.
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80s Pizza Hut personal pan pizza was the greatest dining experience available to anyone under the age of 12. You could earn one by reading books, or pretending to read them.
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I make homemade pizza at least once a week, but your ideas seem… creative
What day of the week do you usually make your homemade pizzas?
Usually the day when I can’t think of something for dinner, I suggest pizza to my wife. She’s yet to say no.
So generally once a week you can’t think of something for dinner?
I’m just curious, what would happen if you planned out dinner for the entire month ahead of time? would you stop eating pizza or would you schedule the pizza dinners on a weekly basis?
Once a week sounds about right for being out of ideas. I work a bit of an odd job where I’m gone for 24h at a time and after a work cycle I get 9 days off, so what day of the week isn’t as relevant for me.
Pizza is a bit of a treat, and it’s fairly lazy to make (I just make a quick dough and throw tomatoes on the boil, then wait until it’s time to assemble toppings).
If we planned out, I suppose we’d have it something like every other week. I see no reason not to, maybe do something slightly more healthy by adding some salad on the side.
That deep dish is not something you duplicate at home with frozen options. I’m with you guys but let’s be realistic.
Is no one else going to blame an overly specific minimum wage? I couldn’t find anything too specific but in California, it looks like:
- fast food minimum wage: $20/hr, going to $22
- gig drivers: $15/hr
Of course they’re going to outsource drivers, This looks like a nice Christmas gift to UberEats/DoirDash
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They should create incentive by taxing the shit out of businesses and offering tax breaks for actually offering living wages and benefits to their employees. If the “correct” answer in capitalism is to find the cheapest solution,
I think this is a novel idea and an interesting thought experiment.
If we passed this federally, I think it’s most likely we see an outsourcing - to ourselves. With the market floor raised so high across the board, distortionary effects would then kick in and what I posit we’d see is a shitload of both business and consumer flight to rural areas.
Prices for rent, obviously, would go through the fuckin roof. This would cause a mass exodus to surrounding areas, but I think business investment would actually beat them, because if you’re paying 60k/year anyway, you may as well put your facility in the cheapest possible location.
Businesses are already shifting toward being physically close to their suppliers/major logistics hubs, to save cost elsewhere, so big “shipping towns” (which are, essentially, a few big wholesale distributors and nothing else) could see massive investment.
What’s weird for me is that this may actually help our housing situation in the medium term, as explosive growth in these areas even out demand hotspots.
Idk about high raises in labor market floors to predict much beyond that, but it’s something I’ll definitely check out.
These aren’t completely pie-in-the-sky proposals, either. Simply tying maximum compensation for publicly owned companies would start this kind of a chain rolling, in a smaller way, I think. Labor prices would jump ludicrously just from the amount of low-skill labor employed by major companies.
Inflation would be bonkers and you can’t raise interest rates too fast or you basically nuke your economy, so how this plays out for the average joe is anyone’s guess. Fun to think about tho
I can’t for the life of me think that this will be good for them though. Food delivery services are notoriously shitty/slow. If I order a pizza and have to wait for an intendent person to come pick it up and deliver it when ever is convenient for them? Thats not gonna work for me… and I would be loud and boisterous to the company.
In an alternate timeline where restaurants never thought to offer delivery (or regulated against it…since objectively it is kind of strange how we do it now), but did offer takeout, I’d expect private food courier services would have thrived. Especially in denser areas.
Even in an era before DoorDash and internet, it’d be a call-center/concierge style.
But also gig drivers aren’t getting the minimum. Uber and Lyft promise you’ll make the minimum through the ride fares if you work a whole hour. But that doesn’t happen. Many people don’t notice because the pay is distributed across the rides but some have actually done the math with their daily totals. They also just lost a court case about paying mileage, so they not have to reimburse mileage they weren’t doing before.
With a business climate like that it’s no wonder everyone else is jettisoning delivery drivers. The rideshare companies are getting away with murder by comparison.
This is what’s so annoying. I had literal arguments with both people online and IRL about this massive jump in minimum wage and how it would have this exact effect. I was told over and over that it didn’t work like that, that people needed a livable wage, etc. My argument was that not all work has equal value and that minimum wage jobs aren’t intended as jobs you raise a family on. They’re a stepping stone as you enter the workforce and begin to develop/gain skills to be able to do work which has more value. With the insane increase in fast food minimum wage only one of two things will happen. Option one is that the price of the food shoots up and can no longer be competitive. Why would you pay $30 for fast food when you can go to an actual restaurant and get better quality for the same price? This leads many of these fast food joints to close and with it the jobs. Option two is that companies find ways to cut services and/or automate to offset the increased cost. The end result here is that once again the jobs go away.
I would love to have a proponent of this explain to me how no jobs is preferable to lower paying jobs. As a highschool kid, I was grateful to have my minimum wage job.
Except minimum wage should support you fully because, as you may have noticed in high school, NOT everyone working at your minimum-wage workplace was “a high school kid”. Walmart and a lot of other places that skate by offering minimum wage effectively outsource the rest of the money they SHOULD be paying to the government - what you may know as “your fucking taxes”. You wanna see less people using welfare? You should be out there demanding companies pay more - some estimates are that Walmart’s profits are effectively buoyed as much as 40% by taxpayer-funded welfare programs like EBT, SNAP, TANF, and various forms of rent assistance, and there are similar numbers for other minimum-wage retailers and workplaces.
“BUT THAT MIGHT RAISE PRICES”, you cry? Well, here’s the good thing - by raising MINIMUM wage, you can go to your boss and say “hey I’m only making $17 an hour doing [highly skilled job], that’s only $2 more than minimum, could we work out a raise?” And if you get your whole workplace to do this, or enough of your fellow coworkers doing similar positions, they would definitely feel far more compelled.
Actually everyone I worked with in high school was a high school kid. The only person older than that was the store owner, and she obviously was making more due to her larger investment/risk.
Here’s the problem with your entire pitch, I’m going to be paying taxes regardless. They will never go down, they will only ever go up. If one problem is solved the government will simply use my taxes for something else. This is how government works. Additionally, increased wages get passed onto the customer. I know many people here like to pretend that they don’t, but prices either go up, or quality/quantity go down. That IS what happens, so I’ll be paying for it either way.
Your whole argument about an increase in minimums allowing other workers to request raises also doesn’t work. Instead what happens is the increase in pay causes an increase in prices, negating the gains across the board. We just saw this exact thing play out during covid. Stores had to very quickly increase the wages they were paying, prices went up, negating the increase in wages.
My argument is that the jobs DIDN’T go away, they just became gig jobs. In the big picture the increase had no effect except for speeding up the transition from one form of delivery job to a different form of delivery job.
Min wage has to cover living expenses because otherwise people are forced to make up the difference from wellfare. So in effect it is a subsidy from taxpayers to companies that pay low wages.
Full time, min-wage workers cannot afford rent for a 1-bedroom flat in 90% of the entire country.
But that IS the jobs going away. You converted a full time job into an occasional time job. Say you were make $15/hr 40hrs/week. That’s $600/week. Now they convert your full time job into a gig job and you’re making $20/hr, but you only work 10 hours per week. You’re now making $200/week. You now need to try and make up that $400/week shortfall in your income. Good thing you got that massive pay increase though, right?
Not ‘part-time’ work , gig work. Ubereats, Deliveroo etc. A lot of these guys are working full time. Maybe you weren’t paying attention to those guys you said couldn’t argue with you.
I thought we were supposed to hate gig work because it exploited the workers. Wasn’t that the entire point of California’s AB 5? Why all of a sudden are we in favor of gig work?
I’m not
Didn’t Pizza Hut use to be a high quality sit-down restaurant that didn’t even do delivery and had a big salad bar? At least, that’s how I remembered it, because I don’t think I’ve thought about Pizza Hut in years.
Also, it is worth noting that these are companies that franchises Pizza Hut, not Pizza Hut owner Yum Brands. This is more of a case of companies being horrible in general instead of a large company being horrible.
The 20 dollar minimum wage is however well deserved, and probably should be higher considering the cost of living here in California.
I’m from NJ and a few months back I went to our local Pizza Hut with my mom since it had been years since we’d been there. Its on the corner of two major roads (one is literally called Main Road) and in a shopping center.
We pulled up and there was one car there and the entire place looked dark, we weren’t sure that they were even open, even though it was like 4:30 PM. We walked in and it was a ghost town, an employee finally appeared and we asked if they were open and she said they were. For like the 30-45 minutes that we were there we were the only people there, even for pick-up.
Speaking of which, when I used to live around NY/NJ, every single random pizzarias or Italian places in general I’ve been there has been absolutely amazingly good. Maybe there is too much competition for Pizza Hut there.
Yeah, there’s at least 5 other pizza places within a few miles. IDK why my mom always chooses Pizza Hut over them 🤷♂️
So i work in the industry
Pizza huts are barely open with even as low as 2 employees at a time. Little ceasars had 10 workers on the holidays
Every franchise could vary but not really lol the original owners of all those pizza huts are no longer careee
/uuuhmmm burp
When I was home for Christmas my mom said that she went there with my dad and their friends a few weeks ago. There was one person working and they said they couldn’t wait on my parents and their friends because they had to run the entire place themselves (make the pizzas, handle the drive through, watch the cash register, etc…). For my 4 year old niece’s birthday she got Pizza Hut again. Apparently now when you call to place an order it goes to a call center, so she had to fight with that for a few minutes and then finally decided on driving there to place the order.
Yeah fuck any company that treats it’s drivers this way. To answer your query about the old-school 'Hut-
https://rolandopujol.substack.com/p/the-retrologists-guide-to-pizza-hut
They’re actually opening pizza-hut-classics, that feature the salad bar, sit down dinner etc.
But again, I won’t be looking for the shit because fuck any company that treats their workforce this way. Happy fucking holidays you’re fired? GET FUCKED
A few months ago I was suddenly craving a pan pizza… out of nowhere. In the 80’s, Pizza Hut pan pizza was the shit. I was pining for the nostalgia, I suppose.
The pizza was got was awful. Truly horrible. Pizza Hut is dead to me.
That was such a big deal back then. Haven’t touched it since. Thanks for taking a bullet so the rest of us can keep on us memories in tact
It’s the old adage: You can make a pizza so cheap, nobody will eat it. You can make an airline so cheap, nobody will fly it.
- Gordon Bethune
I worked there out of high school. They put in something like 5 pumps of oil into a large pizza pan, and the raw dough sits on top. A personal has a single squirt, the other sizes are somewhere in the middle.
You liked it in the past because you had no developed palate as a child and your stomach handled the grease better, plus a good amount of nostalgia. It was always bad lol.
I’m still a fan of Domino’s pan pizza. A lot better than their regular pizzas IMO.
had a similar experience a while back. our local pizza place was closed, so we ordered from pizza hut. twice as expensive for a shit pizza with a cardboard crust and boneless wings that were clearly pre-cooked frozen chicken that had been microwaved for a bit and then, rather than being tossed in sauce, were just put in a togo container and allowed to sit in the sauce. I’ll literally go to bed hungry before I buy another crumb of food from pizza hut.
Anyone remember reading that pizza had the highest profit margins in the restaurant industry?
And the price has? Tripled? Quadrupled?
And the ingredients are worse? And you get less?
I wouldn’t consider buying pizza without 3 or more coupons going to the same transaction.
Huh, so it was a global thing then, here Pizza Hut became more expensive than every local pizzaria, and Domino’s is even worse, it’s like they compete on who can raise the prices more before closing.
It’s literally: cheese, bread, tomato sauce, and cheap processed meats.
I stopped eating at Domino’s when they changed their 3-topping $8 large takeout deal to 1-topping.
The amount of greed coming from these companies is insane, and it only exists because there are people willing to pay for it.
We repurchased 10 million shares totaling $1.2 billion at an average price per share of $119.
They are just greedy. They have the money, but giving the money to the rich is evidently more important.
They aren’t the same people.
Franchise owners are doing this, not the centralized brand they are franchising from.
The franchise owners are still extracting wealth from the restaurant owners. That 1.2 billion came from somewhere, it didn’t just poof into existence. That’s 1.2 billion that should have gone to the workers instead of the rich shareholders who own the company. As a whole, as an entire organization they are greedy fucks and it shows.
That’s irrelevant.
Damn for a company that’s been shutting down locations I’d think it be cheaper to pay their employees better than lose all those customers. My state alone has seen them shut down nearly every location.
The C-level staff are just going to use this to justify bonuses in the face of poor quality and faltering sales. They never pass up a scape goat. Bastards.
