Yeah more red flags than a Soviet parade imho
if this isn’t reportable and resulting in massive, back-breakingly MASSIVE penalties, then the system is fucked and laws must be rewritten.
The ones who set up this system are the ones who are running that company, so good luck rewriting those laws
That’s literally what at least 30 years of job interview advice has been encouraging people to ask during an interview
NOOOO the interview is meant for us to find a guy to underpay, not for you to find a stable good paying job!!!
While I believe companies do this, I don’t believe this image is real. There is literally no reason to blur out the company. You didn’t get the job. What do you gotta lose by showing the name of the company.
Just takes all credibility out of this image
EDIT: this seems to be incorrect
HR emails mostly include a legal disclaimer, that the email is solely intended for the addressee. If you go ahead and share the whole email including names of the company/the sender, there may be legal consequences
That’s completely non-binding for the receiving party. It is intended to stop people intercepting emails intended for other people. If the recipient chooses to disclose information that was intended for them, there is nothing the company can do. You can’t unilaterally impose a duty of confidentiality on someone unless they have explicitly agreed to it in advance. If they want to prevent someone from sharing info they would need to get the person to sign an NDA.
Oh, I didn’t know that. So it is legally binding if you got the mail by accident? Thanks for sharing!
There literally will not
Screw it, just name and shame the company.
“Sup?”
Oh yes because who doesn’t talk about pay during the in the interview process.
“So umm hows the weather?”
Im sorry $user But we dont discuss things on this ethereal plane during the interviewing process.
Please stick to astral projection.
You dodged a bullet there.
yeah it only becomes a problem when every company realizes they can do this at the same time and so being honest in an interview isn’t an edge anymore, since no one is doing it
As a manager I’ll give you their thought process and from a mangers perspective it makes sense (albeit still wrong) and you DEFINITELY wouldn’t say it to the applicant.
Managers want robots that do their job and don’t call them out on their bullshit or question the decisions they make or their salary. That way they don’t have to give raises or address issues. When you ask questions on the interview that lead them to believe you are educated and stand up for yourself they don’t want to introduce you into their work bubble of other robots or it would start a rebellion. Hope this helps.
As a manager, I disagree.
Anyone that isn’t asking basic shit about the job is either an idiot or dishonest and I don’t want them on my team. Provide honest answers to these questions immediately, ESPECIALLY work culture and responsibilities. Salary may not be appropriate at this specific stage in the interview, but if it’s the third round or later, it needs to be discussed.
EDIT: depends what type of team you manage I think…
What job would I ever apply for that I didn’t have at least a ballpark for compensation to begin with?
I’m not going to go through the entire interview process only to then find out that they are offering half of what I’m looking for.
Sure I understand the company may not be able to give an exact price because what they’re prepared to offer will depend on what the other candidates are looking for and my experience level. But they should at least be able to tell me what the minimum and maximum values are, and they should at least be able to tell me approximately where I lie within that. If I have 10 plus years of experience in the industry then I would expect to be on the high end of that salary band, if you as a manager disagree, then that’s something we’re going to have a talk about right now.
Third round lmao what you guys hiring for, président ?
Engineering
Fair enough, long set are the days when a diploma meant something and now we have to ask interviewers which labubus they own type shit
In my experience each round is interviewing with different people, or different teams. It’s not three rounds with one person / team.
If this is the kind of worker you want you should probably be pursuing an AI or real robotics to do your job and that of your underlings.
Sounds like you had some shitty managers. That’s about as dumb as saying that all people interviewing are lazy people with no work ethics and just want to do nothing and get paid.
Based on this screenshot the candidate dodged a bullet because this particular manager/company sounds terrible.
It really depends on the type of job. If you are doing a cog-in-the-machine job like anything in retail, gastronomy or customer support, it’s exactly like Pacattack57 described.
I’m a retail manager and I’ve experienced shitty bosses in previous jobs too, and I don’t want my team to feel like a cog in a machine. I make sure my staff can come to me with anything and I’ll be transparent with them, because nobody deserves that kind of treatment if you’re trying to put in work for someone/somewhere. Turns out if your team are happy and trust you, they can even more productive! Who knew, right? 😅
If a candidate didn’t ask any questions at all in an interview, that’s more of a red flag to me because it can show they’re not even interested.
Sounds like you had some shitty managers.
Or some great robots.
I’m a manager and I do not think like that at all. I want people with the right skillset who can do their job well without babysitting, and I strive to pay them as much I can with the budget.
It’s so fucking hard to find someone who’s not a fucking idiot that if I get one I’ll do everything I can to make sure they stay.
I also find that people that ask those kinds of questions are genuinely interested in working here. People that don’t ask those questions leave within a year.
I’ve found that bad managers tend to think that they are looking for an ideal candidate. That candidate is mind numbingly obsessed with working for them that they will degrade themselves for the opportunity to work for their company. Like they hear fake stories from CEOs and influencers about how when they were working they worked all day every day and skipped lunch to make sure they were the best employee in the company and believe that if you just interview hard enough you’ll find that golden idiot.
As soon as you deviate from that, the manager tells themself “well, this person asked about the work hours and overtime policy, clearly they aren’t ready to work 10 hours a day for no extra pay.” And anyone they do hire will never be enough.
This is exactly why it should be legally mandated to discuss those things during the interview process.
Have you ever managed to get robots? I feel like the managers dream of effective and obedient workers is impossible. It’s like the triangle.
You have competence, cheapness, and honesty, pick 2.
Is the workers being done and they are doing so cheaply then you can guarantee they’re either stealing from you or would be perfectly happy to take bribes.
If you’ve got an honest effective workforce then you’re going to have to pay for it.
And if you’ve got a cheap and honest workforce they are absolutely not doing the job correctly (and you’re probably hiring consultants from Bangladesh or something)
I hate that OP blacked out the company. Name and shame these fucks.
I feel like people block out names way to often now. I they felt comfortable enough to send this email, I’m sure they’d feel comfortable with it being shared with others, right?
What I don’t get is why people blur out personal information on public posts. You’re not doing anything I can find the original post by just googling the entire sentence. All you’re doing is making discovery harder.
Well they should be, but they could get litigious if they get bad exposure.
Litigious how? It’s not libel, slander, or defamation since it actually happened.
Reality is irrelevant in a court of law.
The law isn’t though.
In order to break a law you must actually have broken the law.
Right or not, if you just threaten your opponent with enough juridical costs, they’ll most of the time give up.
It’d just discourage companies from sending rejection letters or giving reasons.
Better to flame the situation than the company in this case.
Ah yes the: “Accountability is bad because then those held accountable will try and hide their actions” argument.
It’s not an ideal position to hold as it’s one that’s subservient to abuse and malicious intent
Another thing that needs to be legally mandated. Not only should it be mandated to discuss pay, responsibilities, culture, etc. during the interview process, it needs to be mandated that you receive a fully human written rejection letter explaining in specific detail why they did not select you.
If the USA is remade, I think that all jobs should go through a state and federally controlled job board. The government’s job should be to ensure the things you outlined, and other stuff to help employees be safeguarded from corporate abuse.
Yep. I am 100% in favor of a federal and state coordinated job placement service. Corporations have demonstrated that they are incapable of properly hiring people.
For future reference, they can just omit the middle paragraph because nobody cares about the opinion of a company that isn’t hiring them.
Would be nice to name drop these kinds of assholes.
I would love for them to not find a single worker to fill this position and people gradually leaving until it’s just a husk with the C-suite having to do everything or the company just disappearing
the c-suite wouldve likely bounced before that happens. they usually get the heads up before the company goes under.
I honestly just assume its fake when they dont name drop. I have no doubt it happens, but its just rage bait without any context.
It may be, but key words are “it happens”.
This is anecdotal, but when I got my very first job interview at a somewhat big local company back when I was 19, the interviewer was apparently very eager to hire me, until I mentioned the salary topic, then her face changed from excited to like “rude, we’re not hiring this guy” almost immediately.
I would name drop them if I remembered the company name.
They ghosted me tho
Why do HR people seem to think that anyone’s primary motivation for working is something other than the paycheck?
I have absolutely loved my last three jobs. Some days at my best job didn’t even feel like work at all. But I would not keep going back if they stopped paying me.
the C-suite having to do everything
In seconds, how long do you think the company would last?
If it were the c-suite at the company I work at they’d go under in less than a month, they are all nepo hires and dumb as bricks.
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I’d say they answered the question about the culture.
And the salary
Salary: no
In Canada, LMIA had been abused to such an extent the foreign workers were paying the employers to establish a foothold in the country.
It’s not us, it’s you.
