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for magas, the healthcare isn’t the bad part, it’s the “everyone” that makes them furious
It’s the old “why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare???”.
They’re too dumb to realize everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.
“Why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare?”
Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.
Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.
Like their children that for some reason won’t visit or call during the holidays.
My wife works in long term care and I can say this: the more “conservative” inmates get visited significantly less than your “liberal” ones…
I know no one on Lemmy likes Jubilee and I don’t either, but I still watch it every now and again.
Last month there was a Gen Z politician vs Boomers and one of the old guys was talking about how student loan forgiveness shouldn’t be done. The politician says you won’t feel it. The Boomer said, they would because of the numbers of the ledger, politician says you’ll feel it due to the all the people being able to contribute to the economy properly and giving it a huge boost. Boomer says him or his wife had their loans forgiven and it was a huge help, but that not everyone should get it.
Man, these fucking people.
Jubilee is a conservative channel, that pretends to be on “both sides” they showed thier true colors when they host conservatives, magats , and even charlie kirk, to debate “woke” people, usually its 20 people vs the left all the time.
Are there any channels you would consider non conservative that allow debates between racist talkshow hosts and non racist talkshow hosts?
The BBC, perhaps. Still conservative, but compared to some US networks they’re practically three Lenin’s in a trenchcoat
Hell, we all pay for other people’s healthcare now! When people go to the emergency room and can’t afford to pay, the hospitals crank up the cost of everyone else’s healthcare to make up for it. We have literally the least cost effective system possible.
I sometimes wonder if my MAGA Dad has had a change of heart. He used to be against universal healthcare because he “doesn’t want to pay for some homeless addicts healthcare”.
But now he’s been laid off and 6 months unemployed as a tech worker. I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate it being pointed out that he’s living the stereotype he stigmatized for so many years. Or how slippery the slope is to homelessness.
hes going to do mental gymnasitcs,“im not one of those people, i worked 100k+/year job for decades, and i deserved it”. if he was a diehard magat.
These people NEED this pointed out to them. It’s the only way they ever change their perspectives. It must affect them, otherwise they never change.
You’re already paying for everyone else’s healthcare. Medicare for all would just make it cheaper and simpler.
What do you think happens when somebody walks into a hospital with no insurance? Do they just turn them away? No. Who do you think pays for that? You do. It’s paid for in the markup of your hospital bill.
there’s usually a ‘process’ and qualifications to get the bill covered by whatever ‘community care’ program the facility has.
they will absolutely produce an invoice and expect payment or ‘arrangements’ upon discharge (which could include application for community care benefit).
they will also absolutely send that billing to a collections agency as well. one of the hospitals near me sends a lot of their uninsured or underinsured billing that would never qualify for assistance to collections without making more than a token effort to get paid first… my boss even had a message on their home voice mail waiting for her when she got home from having an outpatient procedure done.
i like how the christian “health/dental” plans are exactly like actual insurance from like companies like cigna,aetna,delta-care,etc.
As evil as for-profit health insurance is, it’s actually heavily regulated. These Christian coop schemes are not and can absolutely scam people and not pay out at all for reasons like not having evidence of adhering to a strict moral code (skipped church too many Sundays? Yeah that’s a violation, coverage voided). And when they retroactively decide the person isn’t Christlike enough there’s little recourse for the patient.
i was about to add, that they can choose not to cover anything.
It’s even more stupid than that. They’re not even paying for their own healthcare. If you arrive in hospital and need several million pounds worth of medical treatment, there’s no quibbling about whether or not you paid that much in they just get on with it.
The vast majority of people who suddenly require major surgery you actually pay considerably less over the course of a life paying via taxes then you ever would pay for private healthcare, also because it’s the government just funding itself they don’t make random numbers up when it comes to billing, it costs what it cost.
Pound like a pound of fat, if so can it come from the belly area, they have tons over there. /S
everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.
Everyone else minus a select few parasites who instead make their healthcare vastly more expensive to balance it out – the American way. 🇵🇷🦅⛪🗽🔫🎆
They’ve never heard of communicable diseases either.
I don’t think it’s that. Or at least not always that. I’ve met plenty of boomers that think they worked hard and earned their healthcare and it’s unfair that others would get it for “free”. They’re so brainwashed into tying healthcare to their jobs instead of it just being a human right.
Especially because it’s the backwards hicks who tend to be the least healthy
There’s a part of me that would happily let them die as a result of their stupidity, but I believe even more strongly that universal health care should be universal
Let them opt out if they want to once it’s explained to them that it’s “socialised medicine” and is a leftist idea
They won’t, because they’re filthy hypocrites
It’s the Southern Strategy, but without Nixon’s charm or Reagan’s intelligence.
reagans intelligence is a stretch, he mostly had progressive symptoms of alzheimers around that that time, it is believed that nancy throat goat reagan and his cabinet was just pulling his strings 100% of the time.
I read that as a joke - Nixon wasn’t exactly known for his charisma either. Both were known for the other, iirc
I think that’s the joke, Reagan was senile but charming and Nixon had no charm but was cunning
can you imagine trans people getting healthcare? atrocious. and the poor? how will their billionaire daddies feel special if everyone gets the same healthcare
usually welfare has been stereotyped for people of AA descent and poor.
It’s shocking more people aren’t furious at having healthcare tied to a job. It’s a shackle. Coersion. A keep this particular job, or else.
Yeah this is the thing people seem not to literally get.
The MAGA cult is literally driven and animated by irrational hatred.
Its a cult.
You can’t reason with this kind of thinking and get anywhere. You can try, and you can win the debate, and it will not matter.
You’d have to deprogram/reeducate these people, or, do what Republicans have always done with their core demo, and manipulate them based on their fears and hatreds.
Logic is ineffective.
They’re not like you, who can likely be convinced you are wrong about something via sufficient reason, and then change yourself.
They cannot do this, the remaining, core MAGA cult. By now, everyone with any sense has abandoned the cult or is going full-in on being a corrupt grifter… the mass that remains is not capable of meaningfully reasoning.
Back to an article quote from his first term ‘hes not hurting the right people’. Lol like they’re people to Trump as a narcissist. They can be votes they can be subjects but never a person, unless you give him tons of cash to use, and ton meaning for him as a billionaire, made off of the US coffers and influence. Not that the influence has as much pull anymore due to him squeezing it with his tiny hands.
Exactly
I…honestly am not sure if this is an onion. :'(
No silly, it’s an online post
They’ll both make you cry though.
Republicans always make Democrats sounds way cooler than they really are
They have more faith in the democratic party than I do LMAO
Yeah this is just another lie Trump told
this is a real thing he said, but it was in 2024
You should warn people that you’re posting a Twitter link before someone accidentally clicks on it. Not every Lemmy instance/app offers link previews.
OP is a new second time, just to be clear.
OP is a new second time, just to be clear.
you sound very confident but you are mistaken. just to be clear: the screenshot in the post shows a still from the same video as the 2024 tweet i linked.
What?
Some people in the USA celebrate relative success instead of absolute one.
“Is your life really better when others suffer?”
Cruelty isn’t condemned in 'Murica
It’s celebrated
Keeping
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Ha, Democrats can’t even pass higher minimum wage with a house majority. Even when it was Biden’s platform.
Not one standalone bill. They had two years of a majority.
There will be no universal healthcare in the USA until Amazon and Meta decide that we should have universal healthcare.
To be fair, the Democrats had control of Congress during an earlier term too (2009-2011), and in that term they passed the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). When was the last time the Republicans passed anything beneficial at all, let alone as beneficial as the ACA?
Reminder that every time conservatives are given power chaos ensues and everyone’s stress levels (and cost of living) skyrocket.
Every. Fucking. Time.
There are people, who are afraid, free healthcare will lead to people not taking care of their health. That’s how they tried to astroturf the “pro-paid healthcare” movement in Hungary.
Which is BS of course, expensive healthcare makes people skip on prevention which leads to worse health and more expensive treatments. You just have to look to the US to see that.
I went to a surgery because I was bleeding from my ass. I was told it was covered. When I got here I was told it wasn’t covered. The doctor said it would be. It wasn’t, because the claim codes were in the wrong order. I should have never went into that surgery.
I’ve been on phone calls with the hospital, the insurance company, the doctor, and the hospital billing office (separate from the hospital and unable to communicate with it for some reason) for well over a year.
My insurance company assured me that it would be taken care of. They then closed the case and opened at least one other internal case where they say it’s not being taken care of.
I pay over 10k out of my paycheck to cover my family. That’s before we hit the 4k family deductible and still have to pay 20% on most services.
God bless the United States healthcare system.
I doubt your issue is unique in regards to fighting this crap. This is an issue with the insurance complex, not having it to begin with. Healthcare in USA is atrocious.
12 years ago in Houston, my newborn twins had to be transferred to another hospital. They were moved via ambulance. I received a bill for $11,000 from the ambulance company. My company insurance stated ambulances were covered 100%. I asked why I received this bill and they told me this ambulance was out of network. I asked them which ambulance the hospital was supposed to use and they told me all ambulances in Houston were out of network. My company and my residence was located in Houston.
This whole thing is awful.
The people angry about healthcare being paid for don’t currently have healthcare usually. Especially on the good liars, the look like total fools. Why you wouldn’t want your family to be able to go to a doctor and not go bankrupt is beyond me. Wild timeline. Weird it’s even an issue.
Why are Democrats never as cool as Republicans say they are? Like they controlled the entire government under Obama and the best we got was making it illegal to not have health insurance.
if you know which DNC are elected , you know some of them are actually conservative, but not R enough to be elected as a republican, they just pretend to be a dem to get elected. we dont have a significant number of AOCs, or bernies in congress, its mostly schumerites, and hakeem politically speaking. because the old guard will never agree on AOC and bernies agenda, they would rather get rich by placating GOP and thier donors.
But that’s how single payer systems basically work. It’s illegal to not pay into the system because it’s illegal to not pay your taxes.
Except it’s not a single payer health system is it? It’s just giving corporations even more money and therefore power.
He’s threatening us with a good time.
Threatening people with good times
Here’s the part I don’t understand.
In 2025, approximately 22 million Americans received subsidies through the Affordable Care Act Marketplace to help pay for their health insurance. That’s millions of working Americans who depend on these subsidies to afford coverage.
So who exactly is this statement supposed to appeal to? A significant number of Trump’s own constituents rely on healthcare.gov to purchase their health insurance. Without those subsidies, many of them are going to face the same financial reality I would.
Without my subsidy, my health insurance would cost approximately $1,800 a month. That’s $21,600 a year just to have health insurance, before paying a single dollar in deductibles or copays.
That’s absolute insanity.
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Voting against your own interests is a common thing that happens in democracies.
So who exactly is this statement supposed to appeal to?
Left leaning voters specifically. He knows Democrats won’t be able to bring forth Universal Healthcare in a term or maybe even 2. It’s just to rile leftists and set up Democrats for a failure he knows they won’t be able to commit to.
So he’s conceding that Republicans are going to lose the elections this year and he wants to throw egg into the face of Democrats when they don’t provide universal healthcare?
That’s… No. No man. Leftists have nothing to do with any of this.
It’s something close to 80% of all Americans have their insurance either provided for them through Medicare and Medicaid or the workplace the other 20% is mostly through the healthcare act and the others are paying for themselves or don’t have it at all.
The extreme vast majority of the people that he is referring to already have some form of healthcare assistance nobody is going to buy this.
So who is he saying this to? Who’s supposed to look at this and go oh my God not free healthcare!?
he wants to throw egg into the face of Democrats when they don’t provide universal healthcare?
Yes, absolutely. That’s just the kind of person he has been so far. Ignorant leftists blame Democrats for not backing Universal Healthcare, DJT points out that that’s a possibility if Democrats get majority (which is absolutely is not), it’s a simple ploy is all. DJT throws things at the wall constantly to see what sticks.
Look at it creating a buzz here. Surely it’s making it’s rounds on Reddit, Facebook, and X as well. Unless it’s a narrative that him and his cronies keep pushing, it’ll be done talked about by tomorrow.
If it does end being a narrative they keep pushing, it makes Democrats look weak as it’s not something they can commit to even though it’s something a majority of American would want.
You actually make a very strong case here. You might be right, and I have to admit, it’s just crazy to me that this seemingly senile old man could be capable of such a high level of strategic thinking.
I’ve lived my entire life in this country and lived through the administrations of numerous presidents, but I’ve never seen anything quite like this. This entire administration is operating in ways that feel completely unprecedented in modern American history.
I have never seen the federal government treat immigrants with such abject disdain and discrimination. The racism and sexism are so blatant, so openly displayed, that you would think they’d be enough to turn the American people against this administration. And yet, somehow, those very things seem to energize its supporters rather than alienate them.
I genuinely hope they push things far enough that the American people finally begin to push back in a meaningful way. But then again, we’ve already seen massive protests, and it often feels like they accomplish very little. At some point, you have to wonder what it will take for people to draw a line and demand something better from their government.
when the enhanced subsidies ended thanks to schumer, i think millions had to drop the ACA. plus recently OZ made medicaid only available if you work certain amount of hours a month, including snap.
It really is the “everyone” that annoys people. I’ve asked conservatives to explain to me how insurance works as a business model. They pretty quickly realize two things:
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Monthly premiums of everyone cover the needs of anyone in need today. (Some seem to think it is like a bank account, but pretty quickly realize why that doesn’t make sense. Framing it around car insurance instead of healthcare tends to help if they are struggling here.)
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As a for profit business, they need to collect more in monthly premiums from each customer than they will provide that customer with benefits. Otherwise, the business is not profitable.
Once they understand these two facts, then they are ready to understand why government sponsored healthcare is optimal. It maximizes the number of people paying into the monthly premiums, while minimizing the profit margin because the government doesn’t need to be run at a profit. Many disagree with that last point, but will usually be satisfied by phrasing it as “bringing in a minimal profit. Otherwise, we wouldn’t want to be overtaxed, right?”
Once they understand these two facts, then they are ready to understand why government sponsored healthcare is optimal.
In my experience they’ll understand the two facts but still arrive at the unwavering conclusion that it’s still better than the government running it.
Sadly, I’ve had similar experiences. Some people are so indoctrinated or have had such bad experiences with corruption in other countries, they just refuse to acknowledge how it would work in the US.
Others are so committed to the identity of not letting anyone, especially the government, tell them what to do (pay taxes), but that is a dying breed in the era of MAGA and post-Covid. (I know COVID is still very much an issue for some areas, but I digress.)
My main point is that while getting someone to understand these two facts may not change their minds, their minds will not change unless they understand these 2 facts. It opens up the door to a conversation that cannot be had beforehand.
I can agree with that. even if we can’t change their mind, they’re at least finally beginning to see that corporations don’t operate in the best interests of consumers.
With government helthcare there are also no “in network” and “out of network” doctors. You can simply just go to any fucking docktor you want and you don’t have to worry if one of the people in the hospital is out of network and you suddenly have to pay thousands for something you had basically no control over.
This is in my opinion the biggest plus of government helthcare.
This also means you don’t have to change dr every time you change your job
I think all forced insurances must also provide a government alternative to keep the vultures humble
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It’s not hard to look at all other western countries and see that it works better in almost every area and overall costs less
And there is nothing stopping people from having private insurance on top of it
I don’t know why Americans are so easily brainwashed
Americans don’t know how misinformed they are.
The American education system has been slowly eroded over decades to create an easily manipulated population of sheep.
Because they see suffering as a zero-sum game
If their life is shitty, then the only way for their life to improve is to make the life of someone else even shittier
It’s stupid and cruel
Quintessentially 'Murican
What’s interesting is the people don’t have private healthcare. Yes it’s an option and some people do take it but the vast majority don’t including people that could easily afford it.
The very types that are most likely to complain about other people getting free healthcare are also the types to make use of it.
