4K is overkill enough. 8K is a waste of energy. Let’s see optimization be the trend in the next generation of graphics hardware, not further waste.
Yeah. Once games are rendering 120fps at a native 6K downscaled to an amazing looking 4K picture, then maybe you could convince me it was time to get an 8K TV.
Honestly most people sit far enough from the TV that 1080p is already good enough.
I’m to THX spec, 10 feet from an 85 inch. I’m right in the middle of 1440P and 4K being optimal, but with my eyes see little difference between the two.
I’d settle for 4k @ 120 FPS locked.
I’m 6-8 feet from a 65, depending on seating position and posture. It seems to be a pretty sweet spot for 4K (I have used the viewing distance calculators in the past, but not recent enough to remember the numbers). I do wear my glasses while watching TV too, so I see things pretty clearly.
With games that render at a native 4K at 60fps and an uncompressed signal, it is absolutely stunning. If I try to sit like 4 feet from the screen to get more immersion, then it starts to look more like a computer monitor rather than a razor sharp HDR picture just painted on the oled.
There is a lot of quality yet to be packed into 4K. As long as “TV in the living room” is a similar format to now, I don’t think 8K will benefit people. It will be interesting to see if all nice TVs just become 8K one day like with 4K now though.
*monkey’s paw curls*
Granted! Everything’s just internal render 25% scale and massive amounts of TAA.
He said next-gen not current gen. :/
For TV manufacturers the 1K/4K/8K nonsense is a marketing trap of their own making - but it also serves their interests.
TV makers DON’T WANT consumers to easily compare models or understand what makes a good TV. Manufacturers profit mightily by selling crap to misinformed consumers.
Divide resolution by 3 though, current gen upscale tech can give that much, 4k = upscaled 720p and 8k = upscaled 1440p
can doesn’t mean should.
720p to 4k using dlss is okay, but you start to see visual tradeoffs strictly for the extra performance
to me it really shines at 1080p to 4k where it is basically indistinguishable from native for a still large performance increase.
or even 1440p to 4k where it actually looks better than native with just a moderate performance increase.
For 8k that same setup holds true. go for better than native or match native visuals. There is no real need to go below native just to get more performance. At that point the hardware is mismatched
Devs already use it instead of optimisations, what makes you think that bosses don’t try to push it further because deadlines and quarterly profits, immortals of aveum is example and it’s not even end of generation, only half (i agree with you from user standpoint though)
A few years ago, I got a good deal on a 4K projector and setup a 135" screen on the wall. The lamp stopped working and I’ve put off replacing it. You know what didn’t stop working? The 10+ year old Haier 1080p TV with a ding in the screen and the two cinder blocks that currently keep it from sliding across the living room floor.
Why does it slide across the floor? Do you live on a boat?
I wish. It’s sitting on the floor and there’s a rug, so the cinder blocks are in front of it at the corners. Now my bed is a little more saggy. I might need some new furniture.
Yep I feel the same. I love how old stuff seem to last longer and longer and the new stuff breaks just out of the blue.
Has anyone else here never actually bought a TV? I’ve been given 3 perfectly good TVs that relatives were gonna throw out when they upgraded to smart TVs. I love my dumb, free TVs. They do exactly what I need them to and nothing more. I’m going to be really sad when they kick the bucket.
I’ve been using the same two TVs since 2008 and I have zero desire to upgrade.
I was a given free, very decent, dumb tv and upgraded it to a smart tv with a $5 steam link and ran a cat 6 cable to it from my router. Best $5 ever. Have no intention of buying a new one. If I ever do, I will try my hardest to make sure if it’s a dumb one. I know they sell “commercial displays” that are basically a tv with no thrid party apps or a way to install them.
Any TV is a dumb TV if you plug a Kodi box in the HDMI and never use the smart trash.
I set up a tv for my mother in law. No joke had to register with an email before it would let me switch to HDMI.
Did it also ask to register if it didn’t have internet?
Yeah required me to put it online before giving me control of the video sources.
That’s terrible. And good to know how low they’ve sunk.
Yes, people like me buy TVs. I’m the guy who keeps giving away perfectly good TVs to other people because I’ve bought a new one and don’t want to store the old one. I’ve given away 2 smart TVs so far, though I’m not sure what I’ll do with my current one when I inevitably upgrade.
I used my family’s first HDTV from 2008 up until last year, when my family got me a 55" 4k TV for like $250. Not gonna lie, it’s pretty nice having so much screen, but I’m never getting rid of the ol’ Sanyo.
One of my TVs was given to us by my mother-in-law, but we did buy the other one. Before the ‘smart’ TV era though.
That’s how I feel when people complain about 4k only being 30fps on PS5.
I laugh because my 1080p tv lets the PS5 output at like 800fps.
but the ps5 is still limited by 30 fps even on 1080p
My 120 fps on ps5 1080 in front of me says that your comment is mistaken.
The fact it can output a 120Hz signal doesn’t mean the processor is making every frame. Many AAA games will be performing at well under 120fps especially in scenes with lots of action.
It’s not limited to 30fps like the other poster suggested though, I think most devs try to maintain at least 60fps.
Unlike Bethesda, who locks their brand new AAA games with terrible graphics at 30 fps, and that if you don’t feel that the game is responsive and butter smooth, then you’re simply wrong.
I’d almost bet money that Todd has never played a game at 60 fps or higher.
iirc that more has to do with lazy coding of their physics system with the
GamebryoCreation engine. From what I understand, the “correct” way for physics to work is more or less locked at 60fps or less, which is why in Skyrim you can have stuff flip out if you run it above 60fps and can even get stuck on random ledges and edges.There are use cases for tying things to framerate, like every fighting game for example is basically made to be run at 60fps specifically - no more and no less.
No, the PS5 can output higher FPS at 1080p.
What you might be thinking of is refresh rate, which yeah, even if the PS5 was doing 1080p/60fps, if you for some reason have a 1080p/30hz TV, you won’t be able to see anything above 30fps.
Jokes on you – I’m still using the last TV I bought in 2005. It has 2 HDMI ports and supports 1080i!
I miss this the most, older tv models would have like over 30 ports to connect anything you wanted. All newer models just have like 1 HDMI connection if even.
To add these older screens last. New stuff just dies after a few years, or gets killed with a firmware upgrade.
PSA: Don’t connect your “smart” appliances to the internet fokes.
We had an older Hitachi tv with 4 HDMI plus component plus RCA input and 4 different options for audio input.
New Samsung TV. 2 HDMI, that’s it. One is ARC which is the only audio interface besides TOSLINK so really theres effectively 1 HDMI to use.
But of course all the lovely
spywaresmart features more than make up for it.Is that a joke? My old TV has 3 and that’s the only reason I can still use it. 2 of them broke over the years.
Depends on the TV.
Many older mid to high end models had 4+ ports and it sucks you can rarely find a new one with 4 anymore.
My circa 2008 Sony Bravia has 6 HDMI ports that all still work.
I’ve got 4 HDMI 4k 120hz ports on my LG…
Are you telling me there are modern TVs with only 1 HDMI port??
I was curious I so went and browsed some budget TVs on Walmart’s website. Even the no-name budget ones all had 3 HDMI. Maybe if it’s meant to be a monitor instead of a living room TV but I just looked at living room style TVs.
Thanks for putting in the work. People like you make the internet a better place
i feel like the only way youd get one with a single HDMI port are like models that were built specifically for black friday (to maximize profit, by cuting out features)
Mine’s running a Wii on component YPbPr video. Looks mint!
They should rather focus on 4k@60fps before doing shit like 8K which nobody needs.
It’s a chicken/egg problem. We need 8k so we can use bigger TV’s, but those bigger TV’s need 8k content to be usable.
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8k is twice as big as 4k so it would be twice as good. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
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My 16k monitor is noticeably twice as good as a 4k one /s
8k is 4 4k tvs, so 4 times as good?
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8k makes sense in the era of VR I guess. But for a screen? Meh
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The new Apple Vision Pro uses 2 4K screens to achieve almost perfect vision, so it’s not that big of a stretch.
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I fully agree, but I also try to keep aware of when I’m repeating patterns. I thought the same thing about 1080p that I do about 4k, and I want to be aware that I could be wrong again
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4K id agree with, but going from 120 to 240fps is notable
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One of my TVs is 720p. The other is 1080p. The quality is just fine for me. Neither is a ‘smart’ TV and neither connects to the internet.
I will use them until they can no longer be used.
The last TV I owned was an old CRT that was built in the 70s. I repaired it, and connected the NES and eventually the SNES to it. Haven’t had a need for a TV ever since I went to university, joined IT, and gained a steady supply of second hand monitors.
We are at a point where 4k rtx is barely viable if you have a money tree.
Why the fuck would you wanna move to 8k?
I’m contemplating getting 1440p for my setup, as it seems a decent obtainable option.
8k 15fps will be glorious.
lol
It’s all about dlss
And getting the newest gpu every year because they lock you out of the most recent dlss update when you don’t upgrade to the newest line up right?
Or just make dlss access a subscription
Make it piratable then, i ain’t getting no subscription on hardware functioning.
Fuck that shit to the high heavens and back.
Oh I’m sure some folks will figure out how to pirate it for sure. But as long as big businesses pay the sub fee, Nvidia won’t give a shit about us.
You can play not only 2023-2024 games. I play GTA V with ultra setting and have 4k@60 FPS. My GPU is 150$ 1080ti.
Me still rocking the 1080p 42 inch I bought off a coworker for $50 10 years ago
I mean, you can get 4K TVs for cheap and fix them (As long as the display is NOT damaged, once that’s gone the TV is nothing but scrap)
Got a 60 inch 4K HDR TV for free off Facebook, the led backlights had just gone out. $20 for a replacement set, 2 hours of my time and a couple cuts on my hand and it’s been a fantastic TV since lmao
The performance difference between 1080p and 720p on my computer makes me really question if 4k is worth it. My computer isn’t very good because it has an APU and it’s actually shocking what will run on it at low res. If I had a GPU that could run 4k I’d just use 1080p and have 120fps all the time.
1440p is the sweet spot. Very affordable these days to hit high FPS at 1440 including the monitors you need to drive it.
1080@120 is definitely low budget tier at this point.
Check out the PC Builder YouTube channel. Guy is great at talking gaming PC builds, prices, performance.
Tldr: Higher resolutions afford greater screen sizes and closer viewing distances
There’s a treadmill effect when it comes to higher resolutions
You don’t mind the resolution you’re used to. When you upgrade the higher resolution will be nicer but then you’ll get used to it again and it doesn’t really improve the experience
The reason to upgrade to a higher resolution is because you want bigger screens
If you want a TV for a monitor, for instance, you’ll want 4k because you’re close enough that you’ll be and to SEE the pixels otherwise.
You don’t mind the resolution you’re used to. When you upgrade the higher resolution will be nicer but then you’ll get used to it again and it doesn’t really improve the experience
This is sort of how I feel about 3D movies and why I never go to them. After about 20 minutes, I mostly stop noticing the 3D.
Televisions are one if the few things that have gotten cheaper and better these last 20 years. Treat yourself and upgrade.
Except they turned into trash boxes in the last couple of years. Everything is a smart TV with ad potential and functionality that will eventually be unsupported. I’m holding onto my dumb TVs as long as I can.
Yup. Those cheap TV’s are being subsidized by advertisements that are built right in. If you don’t need the smart functionality, skip connecting it to the Internet. (If you can. Looking at you Roku TV’s!)
look up “commercial displays” or “commercial tvs” when the time comes.
“Monitor” is another. Not just for PC monitors.
We’ve got a pair of LG C1 OLEDs in the house, and the best thing we did was remove any network access whatsoever. Everything is now handled through Apple TVs (for AirPlay, Handoff etc.), but literally any decent media device or console would be an upgrade on what manufacturers bundle in.
well you can just not connect it to the internet and still have some extra features.
also if it’s an android tv, it’s probably fine (unless you have one with the new google tv dashboard)
these usually don’t come with ads or anything except regular google android tracking, and you can just unpin google play movies or whatnot.
But be careful of the “smart” ones. If you have a “dumb” one that is working fine, keep it. I changed mine last year and I don’t like the new “smart” one. IDGAF about Netflix and Amazon Prime buttons or apps. And now I’m stuck with a TV that boots. All I want is to use the HDMI input but the TV has to be “on” all the times because it runs android. So if I unplug the TV, it has to boot an entire operating system before it can show you the HDMI input.
I don’t use any “smart” feature and I would very much have preferred to buy a “dumb” TV but “smart” ones are actually cheaper now.
Same for my parents. They use OTA with an antenna and their new smart TV has to boot into the tuner mode instead of just… showing TV. Being boomers they are confused as to why a TV boots into a menu where they have to select TV again to use it.
New TVs may be cheap, but it’s because of the “smart” “spying” function, and they are so annoying. I really don’t like them.
Yeah the bootup kills me. I got lucky that my current tv doesn’t do it. But man the last one I had took forever to turn on. It’s stupid.
Can’t speak for your TV, but mine takes all of 16 seconds to boot up into the HDMI input from the moment I plug it in, and there’s a setting to change the default input when it powers on. I use two HDMI ports so I have it default to the last input, but I have the option to tell it to default to the home screen, a particular HDMI port, the AV ports, or antenna
Not a fan of the remote though. I don’t have any of these streaming services, and more importantly I’ll be dead and gone before I let this screen connect to the Internet
Why give up a perfectly usable TV?
Why get a new pair of glasses when your prescription increases? My old glasses are still perfectly usable.
Because your old glasses aren’t perfectly usable… Not the best example.
Never needed glasses, huh.
I’ve been in stores which have demonstration 8K TVs.
Very impressive.
I’m still fine with my 720p and 1080p TVs. I’ve never once felt like I’ve missed out on something I was watching which I wouldn’t have if the resolution was higher and that’s really all I care about.
I think the impressive is likely more to do with other facets than the resolution. Without putting your face up to the glass, you won’t be able to discern a difference, the human visual acuity limits just don’t get that high at a normal distance of a couple of meters or more.
I’d rather have a 1080P plasma than most cheap 4K LCDs. The demonstrators are likely OLED which mean supremely granular conrol of both color and brightness, like plasma used to be. Even nice LCDs have granular backlighting, sometimes with something like a 1920x1080 array of backlight to be close enough to OLED in terms of brightness control.
I have a 4k tv with backlighting that matches the screen. When I take magic mushrooms and watch it I can see god
My son is on his 3rd Dualsense controller in about 18months.
Yesterday I plugged my Xbox 360 controller into my steam deck and played Halo 3 Like an OG.
I’m still with my first dualsense, my dualshocks from PS3 and PS4 still work without any issues. I don’t want to know what people do to their controllers.
My Xbox Series S controller got stick drift like 3 months after I got it. My friend’s finally succumbed last week, after about a year of owning it. What is it with stick drift on new controllers? Seems like every modern system has the exact same problem
The only time I replace electronics anymore is when something breaks or when I’m gifted someone else’s hand-me-downs
I have everything on a upgrade list depending on how much we use it and how fast the technology is changing.
Phones: 3 years. Thinking of moving this to 4 or 5 years with the industry’s stagnation. Starting to see some companies offering updates for longer times.
Laptops/desktops: 5-6 years.
Wifi/modem/router: 10 years.
My notebook is 9 years old. My desktop is 6 years old. I haven’t found a reasonable argument to replace them until they stop working. Why 5-6 years?
Why 5-6 years, that’s about when I start seeing the cascade of little things. Weird transitory bugs when rebooting. Speed issues and compatibility issues with bloated new software etc. After that amount of time, I start to spend way too much time maintaining them.
I could tinker with them and keep them going. Its what I used to do when my kids were small. Install a Linux distro on an old computer, load a bunch of educational games and set the browser homepage to PBSkids.
However I have 5 computers to maintain now and my teenagers need compatible fast systems for college and school. My wife works from home at times and needs something that reliably works.
My 46" Sharp Aquos that I paid $2,000 for in 2004 is still chugging along like a champ. It’s been used nearly daily.
Cherish it (though maybe not its power requirements?) - based on the big ole chunky bois I’ve seen at the dump 📺 (looked like those rear projector models or something).
Same here. 40” Sharp Aquos quattron not only still working, but working flawlessly. It’s also got way more inputs than any TV that size today, and a stand that swivels that I use all the time. I’m in no hurry to replace it.
