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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
All it takes is 1 jury member.
Well I’m certainly disappointed in his “criminal sophistication”.
Our incoming president is a convicted felon and RAPIST who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election.
The rule of law doesn’t mean shit anymore.
I could give 2 fucks if this guy lies through his teeth to get off the hook. Go for it bro.
My ez-pass transponder came with a faraday bag - clearly ez-pass is a criminal organization
A former employer handed out branded faraday phone and wallet bags as a tchotchke- I must have worked for organized crime.
Oh no, passport faraday bags are all over Amazon - clearly criminal and needs to be shut down
A computer programmer with a common cyber security countermeasure you can buy on Amazon indicates criminal sophistication?
Sure Jan.
Sadly, the most probable outcome from this is gonna be more privileges to CEOs. After all, they are now exposed to be killed on the streets. Maybe their insurance, as well as their brute salary, will also be way better. And surely, countless jackos are aiming for the vacant position.
His legal fundraiser has raised 27K in the space of a day. Free Luigi.
I’ve got a Faraday bag and foreign currency as well lol
My Christmas cookies from Costco come in a Faraday Cage… I’m so criminal right now!
So alls they got is a faraday bag, he likes playing computer games, and a recently used gun? Oh yeah…hundred percent this is the guy.
/s
Least obvious sarcastic joke
/s in case it wasn’t obvious i was joking
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It makes perfect sense for this to be a frame up because one of the incriminating items was a “Recently Used Ghost Gun”, a cheaply made 3D Printed gun that leaves no special marking on the bullet and can only really be used once. They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly, which is why some congressmen want to see restrictions on 3D Printers.
This raises an interesting question: How the fuck is he dumb enough not to dispose of the gun that was meant to be disposed? And has two answers: He’s just that fucking stupid or The evidence was planted
cheaply made 3D Printed gun
You could, if you were so inclined, make a rather nice 3D printed gun. Just saying.
that leaves no special marking on the bullet
No firearm on Earth actually does this, not even commercially made ones. The fantasy of “microstamping” has been just that, purest fantasy, ever since it was dreamed up by (I believe) some California legislators that were equally out of touch with reality. Forensic ballistic analysis does not work that way. In almost all cases, you cannot identify a gun by a recovered bullet or casing. You can, however, potentially match a casing or recovered bullet to a gun you already have in your possession.
and can only really be used once.
This is patently false, unless you suck at printing and assembling your gun.
They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly
Tons of people design and print their own guns purely as a hobby. Furthermore, before the advent of 3D printers plenty of people manufactured their own firearms without the aid of any such device – again, largely as a hobby or to have complete control over the manufacturing tolerances of their gun. Making highly tuned 1911 “race guns” for competition shooting is and was very popular, for instance.
“Ghost gun” is just a pejorative term invented to make “homemade firearm” sound more spooky. You have taken propaganda hook, line, and sinker. The only difference between a “ghost gun” and a regular gun is whether it was serialized by a licensed manufacturer. While there are a few extremely niche homemade guns that could be categorized as “disposable,” the vast majority are Glock- or AR-pattern firearms that use a full complement of factory parts.
It costs as much or more to finish your typical “ghost gun” than it does to build or buy a serialized firearm. They will also typically leave all the marks you’d usually expect on bullets and casings, because all the same parts touch the same way they do in a serialized firearm.
You don’t seem very knowledgeable about the gun used in this situation.
All articles about what was found on him kept mentioning a metal slide and barrel along with a regular Glock mag, that heavily implies it was just a 3d printed Glock lower so basically just a regular Glock. The only way it would “leave no special markings on the bullet” would be if he used a gun with a plastic barrel, but I believe the FBI said shortly after the og liberator was released that it leaves enough plastic behind to be traceable.
In practice the gun is a regular Glock, that would be easily identified as not being legal in a few states. My guess would be that they weren’t getting rid of it because it’s still a perfectly serviceable firearm and he might have been planning on using it again or at least it probably seemed like a good thing to have when he was in fight or flight mode.
If you really want to get rid of evidence the metal barrel is going to be the most important thing to get rid of as far as being linked to a shooting. Ghost gun is just bad in general unless you are in one of the states that says it’s fine
That’s what me and my boy were saying, he was just walking around with this stuff for 3 days? Just a choice really.
I’m also sceptical of the ghost gun thing. AFAIK the only real ghost gun is an FGC9 which is about the size of a submachine gun and is definitely not what is seen in the video.
You’re unaware of the existence of 3d printed Glock lowers? That’s all it was
What’s the point in those beyond a tech demo though? Don’t they use so much of the donor gun that it’s effectively no different to just scrubbing the serial number but with a lot more effort?
The point is you can theoretically assemble a functional Glock this way without leaving a paper trail. The lower (or frame, really) is the serial numbered part that carries all the Federal paperwork. You can mail order the rest of the parts without raising any eyebrows, do a bunch of assembly and fitting and tuning and fettling, and then wind up with a functional gun.
I will point out that this is actually legal to do on a Federal basis, although some states have since individually passed laws against it.
But just wait until I tell you that any moron can walk into a Bass Pro shops and buy a perfectly functional and lethal black powder cap-and-ball revolver in pretty much any state in the union with no paperwork. According to the ATF, they are not interested in classifying arms that do not used “fixed cartridge ammunition” a firearms at all (although most states do).
The difference is (in most jurisdictions), it’s legal to do the first and illegal to do the second. If you are already a criminal, there’s only one part of a gun that’s a gun, and that’s the only part that’s illegal to sell you.
Wait. Does that mean sellers are not obliged to track sales of uppers and barrels and the rest? Yeah I can see why lawmakers are pissed off now lol.
Yup, the US only regulates “guns.” Which is the part of the assembled firearm that has the serial number. Everything else is a “gun part,” which for the most part, are not controlled.
So if you can acquire/manufacture the “gun” you can buy the rest of the “gun parts” on eBay.
And the 3d printing part is not relevant.
There is no national firearm registry and manufacturers are not required to track parts or kits. So you can “build your own” weapon without traceable serial numbers - regardless of whether you use 3d printing to create one or more parts
A parts kit always needs a lower. The lower is the part that is considered the gun legally and is registered and serialized normally. 3D printing the lower is what makes it relevant
From the article:
Although a host of eyewitness accounts and video camera footage recorded Mangione’s movements before and after Thompson was killed in New York City on Wednesday, police said they were unable to locate him until a McDonald’s employee identified the suspect at a Pennsylvania franchise nearly a week later.
They should have said “the suspect’s movements” or “the shooter’s movements”. Not “Mangione’s movements”. They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can’t they?
I mean, if they want to go and taint every potential juror in the country they can go for it.
Fuck Chomsky.
They said with no support…
Are you the CEO of a news corporation, bud?
He took Russia’s side in their invasion of Ukraine, which I don’t agree with, but truth is truth and he accurately describes how the media sways public opinion without outright lying.
Sure, but I think you’d understand that I can’t just take pure speculation though. Could you please source your claim so I can consider what you’re saying when you say he “took Russia’s side”.
Would also be curious of the state he was in while saying that if true, as he’s nearly 100 years old at this point if I recall? Even our heroes get frail and wither, not necessarily representative of their true core positions.
Can you back up that claim with a link?
I only read Chomsky saying:
- Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a crime.
- The US + Britain have committed far worse atrocities in war (e.g. Iraq, Lebanon, Indochina) than Russia in Ukraine.
- It would be better to attempt de-escalation of the Russia-Ukraine war than to strengthen NATO and continue a proxy war with Russia.
I mean, by your own comment, those aren’t great things. 2 is a whataboutism and 3 is the same as giving concessions to the Nazis and lead to WWII. Concessions have already been given to Russia in regards to their previous invasions of Georgia and Crimea. Give an inch and they’ll take a mile.
Regardless of Chomsky’s stance on Russia and NATO though, he still describes media manipulation acutely. He just has a huge blind spot for when Russia is doing it
NATO has expanded significantly towards Russia since the SU fell. No nation would be fine with this. Imagine if China started a “defense agreement” with latin American countries. What do you think the US reaction would be to Mexico joining in? Or for a more real and historic example have a look at the Cuban missile crisis.
This does not justify Putins invasion, but comparing this to the appeasement politics towards Hitler doesn’t work, as Hitler wasn’t threatened by British and American troops stationed in Czechoslovakia or Austria.
For a bettet explanation i highly recommend watching some talks of John Mearsheimer, who forsaw a war in Eastern Europe as the result of the security architecture built by the US in the 90s and 2000s.
I don’t think it’s fair to say 2 is strictly whataboutism, because Chomsky has a founded fear that strengthening NATO as a military power through conflict escalation will lead to worse outcomes in the long run. That’s why it’s relevant to point out NATO war crimes.
As for 3, that’s a fair point, and I would press Chomsky to provide an option for de-escalation that doesn’t involve allowing Russia to keep any Ukrainian soil.
Curious as to why you think this?
It’s an American newspaper, so it’s up to the victim. Canada and EU have much stricter rules.
It seems kinda grey because they’re not saying he committed a crime they are saying that he was in certain camera frames and the police were looking for him. If the police announced a name then the news would be reporting fact. The camera bit could be debatable I think. If they were speaking more about the actions of the crime they’d have to alledge, which they did alledge about his “type” of bookbag.
I could be wrong I just found your comment interesting.
Yeah but by stating as a fact that it was Mangione who was witnessed and recorded they are stating as a fact that he is the killer, which we don’t know yet. That is-- or used to be – a big no no in reporting. But times have changed. Here is a link I found explaining how they are probably opening themselves up to a libel charge with this kind of language.
Was it an employee or a bystander/customer? I’m confused.
All the accounts I’ve read say it was an employee of the McDonald’s who called police. But who knows? Probably one source printed that and then all the others just copied it.
Authorities are desperately trying to make an example of someone, anyone with a motive. Turns out more than half the country has one.
the way they portray him and the tone of the whole thing is just so fucking slimy
“Do you realize how much money the wealthy are losing right now?”
“OMG how could a person born into wealth that is clearly incredibly intelligent, ever think about doing something like this? There are better ways to slowly let millions of people die over denied coverage and ignore it. How could he.”
UnitedHealth Group has lost $45 billion in value since CEO Killing
They can call us inhumane but they’re the ones who got us thinking of human lives in dollar values
“Do you realize how much the wealthy are losing right now?”
Clearly, not nearly enough.
“Hey! This guy doesn’t worship the Dollar! Slander him!”
They can’t have us realize its that easy to take our country back from the corporations that own it or their entire power structure and caste society comes crashing down.
This whole thing is sooo fucking smelly. So, so very smelly
Dont post pictures of headliness. Post links to the articles.
I mean those weren’t screenshots of headlines, they were a significant portion of the articles. At the time though it was just coming from CNN’s live coverage page, which I tried to link to above
The reason you need to give links isn’t because its not showing all the text. Its to prevent misinformation and to let people who are blind be able to read the article.
Sure, agreed, I posted screenshots on the fly as I saw the info. That being said is it was a “live feed” page and information was being changed on the fly with a single URL
Yes, even more of a reason to supply the link
I’m the one who killed the dude actually. Remember? You were there. ;)
No, I’m Luigi.
No, I’m Luigi!
No itsa me, Luigi.
Ah shaddap you face.
Wassa matta you?
I’m that baby daddy
It-a-was-a-me, Mario!
Number one!
Go Weegee! Go Weegee! Oh yeah! Oh yeah!
Wahhooooooooo
No, this is Patrick.
Wait
I mean I am Spartacus
Wait
And my axe!
hold on
Hodor hodor hodor
Yarp
I’m Batman?
Hodor? Hodor? Hold-uhdoor?
So I wore a hoodie and wore a mask. I also smiled once on CCTV. Am I the secret assassin?
Secret assassin of my heart, baby.
❤️
Ass assassin
I broke the dam.
Ryan started the fire.
🤌
They’ll find 12 of the whitest old women to ever exist and hammer this guy, I can just feel it. The justice system exists for the rich and whoever did this fucked with one of their own.
My Nostradamus prediction of the day is that you are right. They will all miraculously had a great time with the private healthcare syndicates.
Turns out more than half the country has one.
Turns out your new president kinda wants to put that half in shackles, too.
Everyone should change their names on all their social medias to Luigi Mangione
Shut up about should and just fucking do it, Luigi Mangione.
Sincerely,
Luigi MangioneEveryone should walk around with Luigi Mangione face masks.
That’s the fastest way to get your courthouse blown up
Luigi needs to shut the everloving fark up and let his lawyer do the talking for him. The cops are trolling him with fake evidence and he’s falling for it.
“The gun WASN’T a 32 caliber, it was a 22 rimfire!” etc, etc.
This is the correct answer. If you are arrested by police for ANY REASON, the only word in your vocabulary is now “lawyer”. Remember kids, anything you say or do will be used against you.
“I invoke my right to remain silent and have a lawyer.”
It sucks, but sometimes you have to explicitly state you are exercising your rights. Just staying silent doesn’t mean they won’t stop pestering you with questions. Make it clear and concise that that you are demanding your lawyer be present and any further questioning done should be in violation of that right. But you have to make it clear you are invoking it.
Not sometimes, but ALWAYS state that you are invoking your right to remain silent.
Doesn’t matter if it’s one of the states that presumes you are invoking your right, because you might be the court case that decides otherwise this time.
Glad to see this here. In many jurisdictions, if the law doesn’t say it previous rulings do: you must invoke the rights to silence and to counsel.
It sucks but plenty of judges want to give the police every chance they can get, like those dickheads who OK’d forcing people to unlock their phones because “you already gave police your fingerprint”.
I think he wants to go to prison, why else be so sloppy in the final stretch?
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While this is generally good advice, it doesn’t apply to public spectacle.
There’s countless cases in the US where public pressure forced the government to drop charges or at least reduce sentences.
This guy has support from 99% of the people. Keeping that support is important to his defense.
